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Brake Shoes

Birdy1710 said
05:09 PM Jan 12, 2017

G,day, any one know if there is a difference between on, and off-road brake shoes?

I know there is a difference with the magnets.

Also, can you mix and match different brands. Having trouble sourcing them.

Existing are Al-Ko 12 x 2 jnch For an off road van. (if that matters)

Thanks in advance Dave

patrol03 said
05:32 PM Jan 12, 2017

You should be able to get change over shoes at most brake services. Some older brake services will bond new linings for you,but these are hard to find these days as disc brakes are used on most modern vehicles.

PeterD said
11:11 PM Jan 12, 2017

I would suggest you have to match the shoes to the backing plates. You can not mix and match that way. Also Al-Ko only list off-road magnets, not shoes. The difference between off-road brake assemblies and the regular ones is just the way the magnets are mounted so as not to wear as quickly in the outback road conditions.

iana said
11:15 PM Jan 12, 2017

I was told that it was more practical to just change over the complete back plate assy, rather than individual parts. When the shoes are worn out so is everything else.

macka17 said
11:52 PM Jan 12, 2017

Read Iana's above.
Same as a set of tyres on four wheel drives.
NEVER just one
unless a blowout or stake.In which case I normally go on ebay.
for second hand worn to my level.

patrol03 said
08:05 AM Jan 13, 2017

Brake shoes are matched to the diameter and width of the brake drum. Some times OE shoes come riveted,some come bonded.Replacement shoes should come bonded and profiled to the drum size particularly if the braking surface of the drum has been machined.Brake shoes are not matched to backing plates but are manufactured to fit a variety of applications. When relining, units should be done in pairs and on a tandem system all four is preferable. Your drums can be measured with callipers and should be replaced if outside the recommended spec stamped on the drum. I was looking at trailer parts the other week at a rural parts outlet and the price for a complete 10"electric brake assembly with parking brake,in LH or RH was $129 and drums to suit $89.For about another $30 you can have the unit in galvanised form.Good idea if you are doing a lot of off road work. Macka has probably seen these at The Man's Toyshop in Rocky. They have one of the best ranges of trailer parts you could ever need. Remember if you are going to remove the backing plates from the end of an axle they will require centering and if this is not done,uneven braking will result.

JackoFJR said
02:29 PM Jan 13, 2017

I just did a complete brake replacement on my Tvan 10" , backing plate with everything attached , new Hubs , wheel bearings , seals the lot for about $480 .

How do you centre the backing plate , it's held by fixed studs , take the old one off , new one in exact same place .

-- Edited by JackoFJR on Friday 13th of January 2017 02:30:26 PM

ants_oz said
02:39 PM Jan 13, 2017

Hi there,

ALKO do not differentiate between on-road and off-road models, when it comes to shoes.

The ALKO-branded 12" shoes seem much harder to locate though. The 10" shoes are readily available.

You can pickup after-market shoes to suit the 12" brakes from places like this: https://www.couplemate.com.au/trailer-parts-shop/brake-parts/electric-brake-parts/12-inch-pair-electric-brake-shoes/

Hope the info helps.

-- Edited by ants_oz on Friday 13th of January 2017 02:40:55 PM

Aus-Kiwi said
02:45 PM Jan 13, 2017

I just did plate bolts finger tight then adjusted brakes to centre . Then tightened through hole in axe . Done !!

Birdy1710 said
05:40 PM Jan 13, 2017

Thanks to all, I managed to get the correct shoes for $45 per wheel.

I was initially going for the full backing plate job, but $90 against $$490 just doesn,t way up.

The only difference between on & off-road is a small plastic piece in the magnet to stop it rattling

around on corregated roads.

A Question to some on here = Do you bother the to read the post properly

Thanks again

-- Edited by Birdy1710 on Friday 13th of January 2017 05:42:24 PM

macka17 said
07:29 PM Jan 13, 2017

YEP Patrol.

Best shop I've seen in Aust.
Near as gud as the US caravan ones.
They unbelievable.

AND Have Honda 2kva Genny's for $999 US.(coupla yrs ago)

Almost had onein suitcase (Weight doable, just)
When Madam said. "What voltage are those things here".

Yea. Do-Do.

110v to our 240. drrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
Wishful t'inking hey.

ALMOST.
Thick as.

Brenda and Alan said
09:38 PM Jan 13, 2017

JackoFJR the backing plates are self centering by virtue of 4 embossed lugs that locate on the outside of the axle flange plate.

Alan

patrol03 said
08:20 AM Jan 14, 2017

While the backing plates are supposed to be self centering they are in fact not always as I have found out on several occasions when I have had to rectify uneven braking and lockup problems for a customer.After fitting up a new backplate it is always wise to adjust the brake shoes up tight then loosen the four bolts holding the plate to the flange before retightening and then readjust shoes.If the flanges had locating pins that were an interference fit then an accurate fit would result but with the mass production these days in offshore factories there is often variance.

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