The Telstra people are scheduled to switch us to the NBN today, firstly, changes to be made to connection out the front of our house, then it's up to me to install the new gateway/modem
Will be an interesting exercise, hopefully a positive report will follow.
Mike196 said
12:07 PM Feb 9, 2017
Good one santa.
Our NBN changeover went without a hitch, but then we're not with Telstra! Thank goodness!
Santa said
06:38 PM Feb 9, 2017
Done and dusted, simple as, if only everything in life was a straight forward.
Cruising Cruze said
08:38 PM Feb 9, 2017
Hi Santa
what is connected to your house still the old copper line ?
And what is the speeds are you getting with your new NBN
Cheers John
Santa said
09:35 PM Feb 9, 2017
Cruising Cruze wrote:
Hi Santa
what is connected to your house still the old copper line ?
And what is the speeds are you getting with your new NBN
Cheers John
Still copper line John, speed = 20.4 Mbps.
Murraman said
12:19 AM Feb 10, 2017
Funny Daughter has NBN and I can download faster on ADSL2+, Thanks Malcolm Turnbull. Everyone is complaining about speed issues with NBN. BTW I hope it all goes well OP. Speed test at 10.9Mbs but download speed 1Mbs at Daughters,
Cupie said
12:25 AM Feb 10, 2017
I'll be delaying NBN connection for as long as I can. I have Telstra fast cable with a speed boost.
I currently get 115mbps down using the Co-ax cable installed for Foxtel. It's soon to be part of the NBN HCF network. It will cost me more for less speed.
Bloody Turnbull & his mates! The NBN's a bad joke.
Though perhaps I don't need the 115mbps.
-- Edited by Cupie on Friday 10th of February 2017 12:27:27 AM
ants_oz said
07:44 AM Feb 10, 2017
Not "everyone" is complaining about speed issues with the NBN.
I never used to be able to get above 8mbps with ADSL, now am in the mid 90's mbps on a 100mbps plan.
So perhaps those who have had a great deal in the past need to learn to harden up a little bit, and put up with some of what the rest of us had to tolerate for years previously ;)
Cupie said
10:14 AM Feb 10, 2017
ants_oz wrote:
Not "everyone" is complaining about speed issues with the NBN.
I never used to be able to get above 8mbps with ADSL, now am in the mid 90's mbps on a 100mbps plan.
So perhaps those who have had a great deal in the past need to learn to harden up a little bit, and put up with some of what the rest of us had to tolerate for years previously ;)
Well then, if that's what the NBN brings, then its a great add for this Nation changing event, isn't it?
You can't be serious.
ants_oz said
10:27 AM Feb 10, 2017
I'm sure you'll be so hard done by on your HCF cable Cupie!
Seems you are more interested in your own speed, than the BENEFITS that this has brought to people who had woeful speeds previously. Geez, my speeds INCREASED from ~2mbps when I lived in Canberra (ADSL2+) to a relatively "blistering" 8mbps when I moved to Tassie.
To use your own words....."You can't be serious".
Santa said
10:53 AM Feb 10, 2017
I'm staggered, this is a positive thread resulting in a good experience and outcome.
The whingers have hijacked it within half a dozen posts.
The purpose of the thread was to inform others as to how the process played out, it was an excellent result, went without a hiccup, contact with Telstra tech people was not needed.
ants_oz said
11:03 AM Feb 10, 2017
Well, for what its worth, I took your post/thread as positive Santa. In fact, I've only got positive things to say about my NBN hookup experience as well (we got a fibre connection about 17 months ago).
Santa said
11:09 AM Feb 10, 2017
ants_oz wrote:
Well, for what its worth, I took your post/thread as positive Santa. In fact, I've only got positive things to say about my NBN hookup experience as well (we got a fibre connection about 17 months ago).
Thanks Ants.
Cruising Cruze said
09:39 PM Feb 10, 2017
Thanks Santa
It is at least 2 times the speed what we are getting now
I hope it will get better with time
The CEO of NBN told the newspaper today that there is no demand to get faster
What an Bull S..t
Cheers John
Santa said
09:57 PM Feb 10, 2017
Cruising Cruze wrote:
Thanks Santa
It is at least 2 times the speed what we are getting now I hope it will get better with time The CEO of NBN told the newspaper today that there is no demand to get faster What an Bull S..t
Cheers John
Have to admit John ADSL2 was plenty fast enough for me, the NBN @ 21.2 Mbps (just tested) is certainly all I'll ever need.
ants_oz said
09:24 AM Feb 11, 2017
That's the thing - what people WANT and what they NEED are often two entirely different things. We went for a 100mbps plan because that suits our needs. With 4 adults and a teenager in the household, we have some fairly substantial peak usage. With a couple of TV's streaming HD, the young blokes Xbox online, my wifes uni research, it uses up the 25mbps bandwidth pretty quickly. Our next performance step up with TPG was to a 100 plan, so thats the way we went. For most single-use households however, a 12mbps plan will be ample in the majority of cases. Can have a computer browsing the Internet, AND streaming HD TV at the same time, no problems. A 25mbps connection will satisfy many intermediate bandwidth users.
When the connection happened - like Santa, I found it quick and relatively painless. The installer was kind enough to put the "inside boxes" where we wanted them, and from then on it was simply a matter of connecting our wireless router (Apple) to the NBN box, login to the router and enter the TPG account name and password. Bam! Online again! The efficiency of the installation and connection process impressed me. LOTS of ground works in the months leading up, but one day we just came home to notice a new NBN box connected to the side of the house where the old (superseded) copper phone line came in (we were among those who got fibre to the premises). The installer who did the internal work - he only took a little over an hour and we were done!
-- Edited by ants_oz on Saturday 11th of February 2017 09:26:40 AM
-- Edited by ants_oz on Saturday 11th of February 2017 09:27:58 AM
-- Edited by ants_oz on Saturday 11th of February 2017 09:29:18 AM
Cruising Cruze said
09:08 PM Feb 11, 2017
when my wife visit her mum overseas she can dl an movie in 3 minutes
It would be a long time before we getting that type of speed here in Australia
But I must say the 5G what is coming in 2018 would do that kind of speed,it will be a godsend for many people
Cheers John
Santa said
09:23 PM Feb 11, 2017
Cruising Cruze wrote:
when my wife visit her mum overseas she can dl an movie in 3 minutes It would be a long time before we getting that type of speed here in Australia But I must say the 5G what is coming in 2018 would do that kind of speed,it will be a godsend for many people
Cheers John
Yep! and when I visit the kids in the US I can buy all sorts of stuff for a fraction of what it costs here in Oz, and there is so much more variety, but, fact is I live in Australia and not the US, the grass may seem greener on the other side, however we are a small nation with a lot to be thankful for, many in the world would give their eye teeth for permanent residency here.
Hylife said
11:27 PM Feb 11, 2017
I work in the IT industry and have family at a high level within NBN. Thought I'd share some info for all those who keep hearing all the negative cr@p being spread by those who think we are getting a crippled new NBN.
Bandwidth of a single fibre optic strand = 7.2 petabits per second. A petabit is a billion billion. There are 3 fibre channels that run from Oz in a loop past Indonesia, Philippines, Japan, Alaska, Canada, Ca (USA), Mexico, Hawaii, across the Pacific Islands, NZ and back to Oz. Just 3 folks! that's how much bandwidth carries all our Internet, phone, ground based military relay, everything that isn't radio. Just 3 strands! And some folks seem to think they want to have a fibre connection to every home. Get real people.
Bandwidth of a single coax cable (already running past over 90% of the population) 1500gigabits per second.
Maximum theoretical speed capable of ADSL2+ regardless of exchange DSLAM capabilities or loads approx. 24 megabits per second. Average ADSL 2+ speeds received by consumers 3 to 5 megabits per second.
Number of houses that can be connected to a single coax cable and theoretically receive the absolute maximum ADSL speeds = 62,500 homes.
The average number of homes serviced per coax cable terminating at a fibre node 600.
Lets put that into perspective for a moment. An entire town of 64,500 homes can get the theoretical magic of absolute maximum ADSL2+ 24 megabits per second down a single coax cable if every single one of those 64,500 homes were downloading a movie at the same time. That's downloading, not watching, but we are only going to hook up about 600 per cable giving a theoretical bandwidth of 2.5 gigabits per second per home.
A 2 hour movie in the new 4K Ultra High Def format is approx. 50 gigabits total (6 gigabytes). Streamed live that is approx. 8 megabits per second due to network overheads. What in the world do we need fibre to the home for. 15 million fibre strands when the entire Pacific Rim runs on just 3! Based on current technology growth trends, using fibre to the node and then coax to the home will see us with massive surplus bandwidth for well over the next 50 years.
And by then who knows what technology we might have available to replace it.
So why are some folks not getting any faster connections once they hook up to the NBN, and some are actually getting slower speeds? Well it has nothing to do with the NBN capabilities and everything to do with the speed restrictions being applied by your ISP. Think of a water pipe coming into your house. Big main, smaller Street pipes, one inch pipe to your meter, three quarter pipe from the meter to your house and three eighth pipes to your taps. You get plenty of water pressure to have a shower, but turn on the washing machine and the dishwasher at the same time your showering and all that pressure drops.
Because your ISP (Internet Service Provider) still has computers to manage the traffic that comes in and out of their customers connections, there is only so much data that you can be given before your ISP's systems become overloaded. So your ISP deliberately limits your NBN speed just as Telstra (the only ADSL provider in Australia) has always done.
meetoo said
12:28 AM Feb 12, 2017
With all this limiting on speed by whoever, if we are not getting a faster speed at the end of the day, NBN is failing us if it is not delivering better download speed at our pc's.
Cheers, John.
Ron-D said
01:44 PM Feb 12, 2017
Wow that's a lot to get my head around Hylife ,but from what your saying to go full fibre right through the system would be a huge amount of cash billions even ,for very little gain,to a population that's already coping with massive debt we did not have to have in the first place ...
Santa said
01:54 PM Feb 12, 2017
Did I mention that we had the NBN hooked up a few days ago, straight forward process, the people I talked to at Telstra during the change over were very helpful.
All in all, great success.
Hylife said
05:40 PM Feb 12, 2017
meetoo wrote:
With all this limiting on speed by whoever, if we are not getting a faster speed at the end of the day, NBN is failing us if it is not delivering better download speed at our pc's.
Cheers, John.
John, you can legally go and buy a car capable of driving at 300+kph, but for what purpose if the speed limit on your local streets is 50-60kph.
The vehicle you tow your caravan with can probably drive at 150-180kph, but do you do those speeds when you are towing? H*ll no!
The NBN is not letting you down, it can deliver massive bandwidth, but your PC and those of your ISP are nowhere near capable of handling anything more than approx. 15 to 20 megabits per second irrespective of what the NBN can carry.
When your ISP starts increasing the monthly telephony charges for your new NBN connection all whilst reducing the speeds and reducing the data allowances, don't moan then. Where did you think the billions to run the NBN was going to come from and how did you think your chosen ISP was going to be able to afford to give you the higher speeds without replacing all their computer systems. When there is no longer any real difference from one ISP to another, because they are all reselling the same NBN product, which means there is no real competition, and so everyone ups their prices to be the same as the highest price reseller, don't start moaning then. You asked for that. That's what socialism is all about, everyone gets the same. When your tax return medicare levy suddenly jumps from $1500 to $3000 per year, it is no good moaning then. Where exactly did you think the tens of billions for the NDIS where going to come from?
The federal ALP when in power sold the Australian public a c@ck and bull story about how you just absolutely have to have a super high speed NBN all the way to your home because it was going to leave you all back in the 18th century if we don't have it, and whilst we are at it, we need to have a NDIS, because those poor disabled people need to have everything provided for them because they can't possibly be expected to provide anything for themselves.
Why? Because whilst the whole thing was endlessly debated, it took the electorates minds off all the real issues of the massive $650 billion national debt the ALP had clocked up.
Of course now, you and I and the next generation, are locked in and commited to finding the money for them for decades to come.
Its high time people opened their eyes and realised politics is all about power, and if you are stupid enough to believe anything a politician tells you, then you deserve exactly what you get.
The NBN was dreamt up solely as a way to muddy the waters and to create jobs for the heavily unionised construction industry, at no cost to government because the public would be the one paying, end of story. The NDIS was dreamt up solely as a way to muddy the waters and to create jobs for the heavily unionised public service, at no cost to government because the public would be the one paying, end of story.
If anyone tells you that you can expect higher speeds and lower costs from the NBN then you need to remember what Darryl Kerrigan said. "Tell him he's dreaming".
meetoo said
08:04 PM Feb 12, 2017
Hylife wrote:
meetoo wrote:
With all this limiting on speed by whoever, if we are not getting a faster speed at the end of the day, NBN is failing us if it is not delivering better download speed at our pc's.
Cheers, John.
John, you can legally go and buy a car capable of driving at 300+kph, but for what purpose if the speed limit on your local streets is 50-60kph.
The vehicle you tow your caravan with can probably drive at 150-180kph, but do you do those speeds when you are towing? H*ll no!
The NBN is not letting you down, it can deliver massive bandwidth, but your PC and those of your ISP are nowhere near capable of handling anything more than approx. 15 to 20 megabits per second irrespective of what the NBN can carry.
When your ISP starts increasing the monthly telephony charges for your new NBN connection all whilst reducing the speeds and reducing the data allowances, don't moan then. Where did you think the billions to run the NBN was going to come from and how did you think your chosen ISP was going to be able to afford to give you the higher speeds without replacing all their computer systems. When there is no longer any real difference from one ISP to another, because they are all reselling the same NBN product, which means there is no real competition, and so everyone ups their prices to be the same as the highest price reseller, don't start moaning then. You asked for that. That's what socialism is all about, everyone gets the same. When your tax return medicare levy suddenly jumps from $1500 to $3000 per year, it is no good moaning then. Where exactly did you think the tens of billions for the NDIS where going to come from?
The federal ALP when in power sold the Australian public a c@ck and bull story about how you just absolutely have to have a super high speed NBN all the way to your home because it was going to leave you all back in the 18th century if we don't have it, and whilst we are at it, we need to have a NDIS, because those poor disabled people need to have everything provided for them because they can't possibly be expected to provide anything for themselves.
Why? Because whilst the whole thing was endlessly debated, it took the electorates minds off all the real issues of the massive $650 billion national debt the ALP had clocked up.
Of course now, you and I and the next generation, are locked in and commited to finding the money for them for decades to come.
Its high time people opened their eyes and realised politics is all about power, and if you are stupid enough to believe anything a politician tells you, then you deserve exactly what you get.
The NBN was dreamt up solely as a way to muddy the waters and to create jobs for the heavily unionised construction industry, at no cost to government because the public would be the one paying, end of story. The NDIS was dreamt up solely as a way to muddy the waters and to create jobs for the heavily unionised public service, at no cost to government because the public would be the one paying, end of story.
If anyone tells you that you can expect higher speeds and lower costs from the NBN then you need to remember what Darryl Kerrigan said. "Tell him he's dreaming".
Wow, thanks for that reply Hylife. I took all that to mean you agreed with me.
The Telstra people are scheduled to switch us to the NBN today, firstly, changes to be made to connection out the front of our house, then it's up to me to install the new gateway/modem
Will be an interesting exercise, hopefully a positive report will follow.
Our NBN changeover went without a hitch, but then we're not with Telstra! Thank goodness!
Done and dusted, simple as, if only everything in life was a straight forward.
what is connected to your house still the old copper line ?
And what is the speeds are you getting with your new NBN
Cheers John
Still copper line John, speed = 20.4 Mbps.
I'll be delaying NBN connection for as long as I can. I have Telstra fast cable with a speed boost.
I currently get 115mbps down using the Co-ax cable installed for Foxtel. It's soon to be part of the NBN HCF network. It will cost me more for less speed.
Bloody Turnbull & his mates! The NBN's a bad joke.
Though perhaps I don't need the 115mbps.
-- Edited by Cupie on Friday 10th of February 2017 12:27:27 AM
I never used to be able to get above 8mbps with ADSL, now am in the mid 90's mbps on a 100mbps plan.
So perhaps those who have had a great deal in the past need to learn to harden up a little bit, and put up with some of what the rest of us had to tolerate for years previously ;)
Well then, if that's what the NBN brings, then its a great add for this Nation changing event, isn't it?
You can't be serious.
Seems you are more interested in your own speed, than the BENEFITS that this has brought to people who had woeful speeds previously. Geez, my speeds INCREASED from ~2mbps when I lived in Canberra (ADSL2+) to a relatively "blistering" 8mbps when I moved to Tassie.
To use your own words....."You can't be serious".
I'm staggered, this is a positive thread resulting in a good experience and outcome.
The whingers have hijacked it within half a dozen posts.
The purpose of the thread was to inform others as to how the process played out, it was an excellent result, went without a hiccup, contact with Telstra tech people was not needed.
Thanks Ants.
It is at least 2 times the speed what we are getting now
I hope it will get better with time
The CEO of NBN told the newspaper today that there is no demand to get faster
What an Bull S..t
Cheers John
Have to admit John ADSL2 was plenty fast enough for me, the NBN @ 21.2 Mbps (just tested) is certainly all I'll ever need.
That's the thing - what people WANT and what they NEED are often two entirely different things. We went for a 100mbps plan because that suits our needs. With 4 adults and a teenager in the household, we have some fairly substantial peak usage. With a couple of TV's streaming HD, the young blokes Xbox online, my wifes uni research, it uses up the 25mbps bandwidth pretty quickly. Our next performance step up with TPG was to a 100 plan, so thats the way we went. For most single-use households however, a 12mbps plan will be ample in the majority of cases. Can have a computer browsing the Internet, AND streaming HD TV at the same time, no problems. A 25mbps connection will satisfy many intermediate bandwidth users.
When the connection happened - like Santa, I found it quick and relatively painless. The installer was kind enough to put the "inside boxes" where we wanted them, and from then on it was simply a matter of connecting our wireless router (Apple) to the NBN box, login to the router and enter the TPG account name and password. Bam! Online again! The efficiency of the installation and connection process impressed me. LOTS of ground works in the months leading up, but one day we just came home to notice a new NBN box connected to the side of the house where the old (superseded) copper phone line came in (we were among those who got fibre to the premises). The installer who did the internal work - he only took a little over an hour and we were done!
-- Edited by ants_oz on Saturday 11th of February 2017 09:26:40 AM
-- Edited by ants_oz on Saturday 11th of February 2017 09:27:58 AM
-- Edited by ants_oz on Saturday 11th of February 2017 09:29:18 AM
It would be a long time before we getting that type of speed here in Australia
But I must say the 5G what is coming in 2018 would do that kind of speed,it will be a godsend for many people
Cheers John
Yep! and when I visit the kids in the US I can buy all sorts of stuff for a fraction of what it costs here in Oz, and there is so much more variety, but, fact is I live in Australia and not the US, the grass may seem greener on the other side, however we are a small nation with a lot to be thankful for, many in the world would give their eye teeth for permanent residency here.
I work in the IT industry and have family at a high level within NBN.
Thought I'd share some info for all those who keep hearing all the negative cr@p being spread by those who think we are getting a crippled new NBN.
Bandwidth of a single fibre optic strand = 7.2 petabits per second. A petabit is a billion billion.
There are 3 fibre channels that run from Oz in a loop past Indonesia, Philippines, Japan, Alaska, Canada, Ca (USA), Mexico, Hawaii, across the Pacific Islands, NZ and back to Oz.
Just 3 folks! that's how much bandwidth carries all our Internet, phone, ground based military relay, everything that isn't radio. Just 3 strands!
And some folks seem to think they want to have a fibre connection to every home. Get real people.
Bandwidth of a single coax cable (already running past over 90% of the population) 1500gigabits per second.
Maximum theoretical speed capable of ADSL2+ regardless of exchange DSLAM capabilities or loads approx. 24 megabits per second.
Average ADSL 2+ speeds received by consumers 3 to 5 megabits per second.
Number of houses that can be connected to a single coax cable and theoretically receive the absolute maximum ADSL speeds = 62,500 homes.
The average number of homes serviced per coax cable terminating at a fibre node 600.
Lets put that into perspective for a moment.
An entire town of 64,500 homes can get the theoretical magic of absolute maximum ADSL2+ 24 megabits per second down a single coax cable if every single one of those 64,500 homes were downloading a movie at the same time. That's downloading, not watching, but we are only going to hook up about 600 per cable giving a theoretical bandwidth of 2.5 gigabits per second per home.
A 2 hour movie in the new 4K Ultra High Def format is approx. 50 gigabits total (6 gigabytes). Streamed live that is approx. 8 megabits per second due to network overheads.
What in the world do we need fibre to the home for.
15 million fibre strands when the entire Pacific Rim runs on just 3!
Based on current technology growth trends, using fibre to the node and then coax to the home will see us with massive surplus bandwidth for well over the next 50 years.
And by then who knows what technology we might have available to replace it.
So why are some folks not getting any faster connections once they hook up to the NBN, and some are actually getting slower speeds?
Well it has nothing to do with the NBN capabilities and everything to do with the speed restrictions being applied by your ISP.
Think of a water pipe coming into your house.
Big main, smaller Street pipes, one inch pipe to your meter, three quarter pipe from the meter to your house and three eighth pipes to your taps.
You get plenty of water pressure to have a shower, but turn on the washing machine and the dishwasher at the same time your showering and all that pressure drops.
Because your ISP (Internet Service Provider) still has computers to manage the traffic that comes in and out of their customers connections, there is only so much data that you can be given before your ISP's systems become overloaded. So your ISP deliberately limits your NBN speed just as Telstra (the only ADSL provider in Australia) has always done.
With all this limiting on speed by whoever, if we are not getting a faster speed at the end of the day, NBN is failing us if it is not delivering better download speed at our pc's.
Cheers, John.
Wow that's a lot to get my head around Hylife ,but from what your saying to go full fibre right through the system would be a huge amount of cash billions even ,for very little gain,to a population that's already coping with massive debt we did not have to have in the first place ...
Did I mention that we had the NBN hooked up a few days ago, straight forward process, the people I talked to at Telstra during the change over were very helpful.
All in all, great success.
John, you can legally go and buy a car capable of driving at 300+kph, but for what purpose if the speed limit on your local streets is 50-60kph.
The vehicle you tow your caravan with can probably drive at 150-180kph, but do you do those speeds when you are towing? H*ll no!
The NBN is not letting you down, it can deliver massive bandwidth, but your PC and those of your ISP are nowhere near capable of handling anything more than approx. 15 to 20 megabits per second irrespective of what the NBN can carry.
When your ISP starts increasing the monthly telephony charges for your new NBN connection all whilst reducing the speeds and reducing the data allowances, don't moan then. Where did you think the billions to run the NBN was going to come from and how did you think your chosen ISP was going to be able to afford to give you the higher speeds without replacing all their computer systems.
When there is no longer any real difference from one ISP to another, because they are all reselling the same NBN product, which means there is no real competition, and so everyone ups their prices to be the same as the highest price reseller, don't start moaning then. You asked for that. That's what socialism is all about, everyone gets the same.
When your tax return medicare levy suddenly jumps from $1500 to $3000 per year, it is no good moaning then. Where exactly did you think the tens of billions for the NDIS where going to come from?
The federal ALP when in power sold the Australian public a c@ck and bull story about how you just absolutely have to have a super high speed NBN all the way to your home because it was going to leave you all back in the 18th century if we don't have it, and whilst we are at it, we need to have a NDIS, because those poor disabled people need to have everything provided for them because they can't possibly be expected to provide anything for themselves.
Why? Because whilst the whole thing was endlessly debated, it took the electorates minds off all the real issues of the massive $650 billion national debt the ALP had clocked up.
Of course now, you and I and the next generation, are locked in and commited to finding the money for them for decades to come.
Its high time people opened their eyes and realised politics is all about power, and if you are stupid enough to believe anything a politician tells you, then you deserve exactly what you get.
The NBN was dreamt up solely as a way to muddy the waters and to create jobs for the heavily unionised construction industry, at no cost to government because the public would be the one paying, end of story.
The NDIS was dreamt up solely as a way to muddy the waters and to create jobs for the heavily unionised public service, at no cost to government because the public would be the one paying, end of story.
If anyone tells you that you can expect higher speeds and lower costs from the NBN then you need to remember what Darryl Kerrigan said. "Tell him he's dreaming".
Wow, thanks for that reply Hylife. I took all that to mean you agreed with me.
Cheers, John.