we have a 2015 Holden colarado duel cab with 17" Bridgstone tyres. We have damaged our 2nd spare tyre. 1 st one on side wall with stones, 2 nd one with a screw and a rivet from where ever plus that one had worn enough on the inside drivers side to make it unrepairable.
My question would be, why would drivers side back wheel wear to that extent. We have just had a wheel alignment me and was told they don't align back wheels separetly to the front. What would be a good all rounder tyre to buy to pull a 21" Jayco outback poptop. Suggestions would be appreciated.
Lorraine
kezngaz said
12:24 PM May 9, 2017
Excuss me if ive read your post incorrectly.
They dont align rear wheels seperatley to the front?
Firstly, the rear suspention on your Colorado is a fixed beam/ axle.
The wheels are fixed and there is no independant adjustment from side to side.
Saying that, they both should run true and in line with front suspention/wheels.
If your experiencing unusual tyre wear on the rear then the axle has to be out of line, this would cause a crabbing effect whilst driving, and could also wear your front tyres unevenly too, due to corrective over/under steer..
I would get a second opinion on the alignment before i spent money on new tyres.
Hope this helps.
Kezngaz.
macka17 said
01:18 PM May 9, 2017
Take it to a "TRUCK" or 4WD Alignment place.
Tyres.. I've spent a lot of yrs towing vans and boats.
Cars. I always run Pirelli's, for near 50 yrs.
4wd's and Vans Nowadays and the last 15ish yrs I've stuck to Bridgestone.
693\94s\97's ""10 PR"". AT Tyres.
NOT the std 8PR.
Boat and Trailers. I run KELLY. Cheaper. wear forever and walls like bricks.
EVERYBODY has their favourites. and we'll ALL tell you ours are the better. Basically It's a take your pick. Sorry.
OH. And I NEVER run my tyres down to the wear bars. Never more than 75\80%.
I Personally. Like a bit of traction in the wet. Wear line tyres have very little left.
That worn tyre.
Have you fitted a long range tank.
or carry unusual loading on that side of veh??
(Bearing would cobble all the tread.)
Truck 4WD place will check ALL underneath if you ask.
THEY professional.
More than I can say about some of the street dealers Aligners.
-- Edited by macka17 on Tuesday 9th of May 2017 01:22:06 PM
-- Edited by macka17 on Tuesday 9th of May 2017 01:26:19 PM
rainy1850 said
07:33 PM May 9, 2017
Thank you For your reply as we took it too Bob Jane today. Will look at another opinion as Holden service told us the tyre was really worn on the inside
lorraine
rainy1850 said
07:35 PM May 9, 2017
Thank you for your reply. We are going to look into this further as the tyre worn out was a new tyre of 7 months
lorraine
Dougwe said
08:00 PM May 9, 2017
I had BFG AT's on a Prado and loved them. When I got my 2014 Collie I put Cooper AT3's all round and hate them. I do know a few that have the same and like them. When I have to replace them I will go back to the BFG's.
kezngaz said
08:02 PM May 9, 2017
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I had BFG AT's on a Prado and loved them. When I got my 2014 Collie I put Cooper AT3's all round and hate them. I do know a few that have the same and like
Whats wrong with the coopers Dougwe?
Dougwe said
09:10 PM May 9, 2017
IMO they don't seem to grip as well as the BFG's and after 25% wear they are very noisy. They seem to be wearing quicker as well.
As I said, others like them.
-- Edited by Dougwe on Wednesday 10th of May 2017 04:50:23 AM
Craig1 said
10:01 PM May 9, 2017
There is a "thrust alignment" at Tyrepower. It seems to take care of a lot of your issue. IMHO Bridgestone are either great 80,000 or ordinary at around 40,000 for no apparent reason and I have had both types, same profile, both on Colorados. Last tyres were Mickey Thompson ATZ and were wearing to do 80,000 prior to sale of BT50. Bit pricey but really good wet or dry. New tojo has Dunlop AT22, but only done 2k ,so quiet, handle wet bitumen and dry corrugated gravel, no towbar until next week. (almost a macca post) cheers Craig
kezngaz said
08:52 AM May 10, 2017
Cheers Doug.
I had AT3s on my last tug. No issues and 78k out of em.
Never had BFGs so just wondered.
Thanks again
Kezngaz.
Big Mal said
03:18 PM May 10, 2017
I've recently fitted a set of Maxxis 700's to my Colorado towing a 22ft Coromal, ATR's but not aggressive pattern, find them to run very well, no noise and good price, mates have reported good mileage...................
If the tyre was on the back and scrubbed out in 7 mths then it would point to a tyre fault as a bent housing would stuff the bearing and you would have heard it howling, unless the dealer has rotated a front tyre at a service. Any decent tyre place can check that all 4 wheels are running true. For a decent wheel check up go to a Steering Specialist Shop, found they were the only place to get a decent job done on my Colorado once I fitted better suspension, the improvement in handling was amazing.
Measure from the centre of each hub to the bottom of the guard the measurement should be within 5mm of the opposite side if not then a sagging spring can cause wear but usually on the front.
Aus-Kiwi said
11:18 AM May 11, 2017
Is it that the brake is grabbing or tighter on that side ? Drive vehicle along a straight line on road.. check if rear moves away from line .. Take it to the Manu dealer for check . It'll cost you more on tyres and fuel !!
kezngaz said
08:58 AM May 12, 2017
Hi.
Just wondering if you got the problem sorted.
Was any info given here of any use?
Cheers.
Kezngaz.
Warren-Pat_01 said
11:31 PM May 12, 2017
Lorraine,
The rear LHS tyre generally always wears more - it is a driven wheel & often runs on the edge/off on to the verge. I assume you get the tyres rotated & balanced every 10,000Kms.
I like the Bridgestone 697-LT tyres on my Patrol. A friend also put them on his IZUZU MUX.
rockylizard said
07:53 AM May 13, 2017
Warren-Pat_01 wrote:
Lorraine, The rear LHS tyre generally always wears more - it is a driven wheel & often runs on the edge/off on to the verge. I assume you get the tyres rotated & balanced every 10,000Kms.
I like the Bridgestone 697-LT tyres on my Patrol. A friend also put them on his IZUZU MUX.
Gday...
Not challenging that comment if it is your experience from your vehicles .... but that is the very first time I have heard that.
Has anyone else experienced rear LHS tyre wear as Warren states?
Like probably most on this forum, I driven and owned vehicle since before I was 18 ... more than 50 years. The only tyres I have had 'wear more or unevenly' have been the front ones due to alignment settings.
Even in the "old days" when I never rotated my tyres at all I haven't seen or experienced adverse wear on a rear tyre - unless, of course, due to under/over inflation issues.
Cheers - John
macka17 said
12:15 PM May 13, 2017
Specially when towing a decent load.
Rear driven tyres have more torque\stress put on them.
and if NOT rotated will wear more.
Up North the lack of road edging
Some drops are sideways ridged and 6in plus sharp drop to side.
When passing and being overtaken. You often forget and ride along it. Up\Down with tyre walls.
Plus the Torque speeding up slowing down.
I've always found that if Tyres not rotated (every 5 or 6k when towing, myself)
they can wear more at rear than front.
But edge wear is more than that.
Normally alignment. but not on rear. Bent axle.link?.
Could even be a wheel centre im, knocked out of line?.
Does it happen to all wheels put there.
or just that one?.
Spin it up on balancer. sans tyre.
Baz421 said
12:58 PM May 14, 2017
rockylizard wrote:
Warren-Pat_01 wrote:
Lorraine, The rear LHS tyre generally always wears more - it is a driven wheel & often runs on the edge/off on to the verge. I assume you get the tyres rotated & balanced every 10,000Kms.
I like the Bridgestone 697-LT tyres on my Patrol. A friend also put them on his IZUZU MUX.
Gday...
Not challenging that comment if it is your experience from your vehicles .... but that is the very first time I have heard that.
Has anyone else experienced rear LHS tyre wear as Warren states?
Like probably most on this forum, I driven and owned vehicle since before I was 18 ... more than 50 years. The only tyres I have had 'wear more or unevenly' have been the front ones due to alignment settings.
Even in the "old days" when I never rotated my tyres at all I haven't seen or experienced adverse wear on a rear tyre - unless, of course, due to under/over inflation issues.
Cheers - John
Agree with John. Never heard of it. Lived in NT 25 years hundreds of thousands of km in that time all over the bitumen/dirt, Adelaide to Brissy a few times etc etc.
I never rotate tyres as they wear evenly on 79 Series Landcruiser Ute, put 2 new on font, front to rear, and rear to spares. Have used Yokohma Super Digger and Geolander on Pajero for 11 years (never rotated) and Coopers and Bridgestone 697 currently for 11 years, no problem.
Luckily never had a wheel alignment although Toyota always want to do one - at a cost of course,,, even if not needed.
Lorraine,,,, you may have had a dud tyre. I had a tyre wear out ON INDISE ONLY (70 mm or so) on rear RH side of caravan in less than 10,000 km. Thinking I needed a serious look at the suspension, I changed tyre, no problems a bout 6 years later. Wheel has been reused too no issues.
Cheers Baz
Hylife said
10:36 PM May 15, 2017
rainy1850 wrote:
Thank you For your reply as we took it too Bob Jane today. Will look at another opinion as Holden service told us the tyre was really worn on the inside
lorraine
If you went t Bob Jane and had a wheel alignment done they would have given you a printout of the before and after reading. Their machinery records both front and back because adjustments to the front can and do effect the rear readings.
BJ will look up the manufacturers specs and plug that into their machinery. The printout will state it all. What were the figures?
A possible cause of rear tyre wear can also be an incorrectly aligned van. If the van is crabbing or swaying then this pushes the rear of your tug around and can affect either or both of your rear tyres.
we have a 2015 Holden colarado duel cab with 17" Bridgstone tyres. We have damaged our 2nd spare tyre. 1 st one on side wall with stones, 2 nd one with a screw and a rivet from where ever plus that one had worn enough on the inside drivers side to make it unrepairable.
My question would be, why would drivers side back wheel wear to that extent. We have just had a wheel alignment me and was told they don't align back wheels separetly to the front. What would be a good all rounder tyre to buy to pull a 21" Jayco outback poptop. Suggestions would be appreciated.
Lorraine
They dont align rear wheels seperatley to the front?
Firstly, the rear suspention on your Colorado is a fixed beam/ axle.
The wheels are fixed and there is no independant adjustment from side to side.
Saying that, they both should run true and in line with front suspention/wheels.
If your experiencing unusual tyre wear on the rear then the axle has to be out of line, this would cause a crabbing effect whilst driving, and could also wear your front tyres unevenly too, due to corrective over/under steer..
I would get a second opinion on the alignment before i spent money on new tyres.
Hope this helps.
Kezngaz.
Take it to a "TRUCK" or 4WD Alignment place.
Tyres..
I've spent a lot of yrs towing vans and boats.
Cars. I always run Pirelli's, for near 50 yrs.
4wd's and Vans
Nowadays and the last 15ish yrs I've stuck to Bridgestone.
693\94s\97's ""10 PR"". AT Tyres.
NOT the std 8PR.
Boat and Trailers.
I run KELLY. Cheaper. wear forever and walls like bricks.
EVERYBODY has their favourites. and we'll ALL tell you ours are the better.
Basically It's a take your pick.
Sorry.
OH. And I NEVER run my tyres down to the wear bars.
Never more than 75\80%.
I Personally. Like a bit of traction in the wet.
Wear line tyres have very little left.
That worn tyre.
Have you fitted a long range tank.
or carry unusual loading on that side of veh??
(Bearing would cobble all the tread.)
Truck 4WD place will check ALL underneath if you ask.
THEY professional.
More than I can say about some of the street dealers Aligners.
-- Edited by macka17 on Tuesday 9th of May 2017 01:22:06 PM
-- Edited by macka17 on Tuesday 9th of May 2017 01:26:19 PM
Thank you For your reply as we took it too Bob Jane today. Will look at another opinion as Holden service told us the tyre was really worn on the inside
lorraine
lorraine
I had BFG AT's on a Prado and loved them. When I got my 2014 Collie I put Cooper AT3's all round and hate them. I do know a few that have the same and like
Whats wrong with the coopers Dougwe?
IMO they don't seem to grip as well as the BFG's and after 25% wear they are very noisy. They seem to be wearing quicker as well.
As I said, others like them.
-- Edited by Dougwe on Wednesday 10th of May 2017 04:50:23 AM
I had AT3s on my last tug. No issues and 78k out of em.
Never had BFGs so just wondered.
Thanks again
Kezngaz.
If the tyre was on the back and scrubbed out in 7 mths then it would point to a tyre fault as a bent housing would stuff the bearing and you would have heard it howling, unless the dealer has rotated a front tyre at a service. Any decent tyre place can check that all 4 wheels are running true. For a decent wheel check up go to a Steering Specialist Shop, found they were the only place to get a decent job done on my Colorado once I fitted better suspension, the improvement in handling was amazing.
Measure from the centre of each hub to the bottom of the guard the measurement should be within 5mm of the opposite side if not then a sagging spring can cause wear but usually on the front.
Just wondering if you got the problem sorted.
Was any info given here of any use?
Cheers.
Kezngaz.
The rear LHS tyre generally always wears more - it is a driven wheel & often runs on the edge/off on to the verge. I assume you get the tyres rotated & balanced every 10,000Kms.
I like the Bridgestone 697-LT tyres on my Patrol. A friend also put them on his IZUZU MUX.
Gday...
Not challenging that comment if it is your experience from your vehicles .... but that is the very first time I have heard that.
Has anyone else experienced rear LHS tyre wear as Warren states?
Like probably most on this forum, I driven and owned vehicle since before I was 18 ... more than 50 years. The only tyres I have had 'wear more or unevenly' have been the front ones due to alignment settings.
Even in the "old days" when I never rotated my tyres at all I haven't seen or experienced adverse wear on a rear tyre - unless, of course, due to under/over inflation issues.
Cheers - John
Rear driven tyres have more torque\stress put on them.
and if NOT rotated will wear more.
Up North the lack of road edging
Some drops are sideways ridged and 6in plus sharp drop to side.
When passing and being overtaken. You often forget and ride along it. Up\Down with tyre walls.
Plus the Torque speeding up slowing down.
I've always found that if Tyres not rotated (every 5 or 6k when towing, myself)
they can wear more at rear than front.
But edge wear is more than that.
Normally alignment. but not on rear. Bent axle.link?.
Could even be a wheel centre
im, knocked out of line?.
Does it happen to all wheels put there.
or just that one?.
Spin it up on balancer. sans tyre.
Agree with John. Never heard of it. Lived in NT 25 years hundreds of thousands of km in that time all over the bitumen/dirt, Adelaide to Brissy a few times etc etc.
I never rotate tyres as they wear evenly on 79 Series Landcruiser Ute, put 2 new on font, front to rear, and rear to spares. Have used Yokohma Super Digger and Geolander on Pajero for 11 years (never rotated) and Coopers and Bridgestone 697 currently for 11 years, no problem.
Luckily never had a wheel alignment although Toyota always want to do one - at a cost of course,,, even if not needed.
Lorraine,,,, you may have had a dud tyre. I had a tyre wear out ON INDISE ONLY (70 mm or so) on rear RH side of caravan in less than 10,000 km. Thinking I needed a serious look at the suspension, I changed tyre, no problems a bout 6 years later. Wheel has been reused too no issues.
Cheers Baz
If you went t Bob Jane and had a wheel alignment done they would have given you a printout of the before and after reading. Their machinery records both front and back because adjustments to the front can and do effect the rear readings.
BJ will look up the manufacturers specs and plug that into their machinery. The printout will state it all. What were the figures?
A possible cause of rear tyre wear can also be an incorrectly aligned van. If the van is crabbing or swaying then this pushes the rear of your tug around and can affect either or both of your rear tyres.