Have sold our ranger, sad to see it go after setting it up so well .Done 90kl with no issues at all , great vehicle . It was either a smaller van or change car over as we were at 5960kg last trip with 1 x gas bottle and no annexe or generator.
Anyway we're buying a GX 200 and I'm wondering what anyone on the forum that has a 200 have done to the suspension on their vehicle . Our ball weight last trip was 280kg , we had 600kg CR sprin
deverall11 said
01:23 PM Nov 7, 2017
Mezza, good move.
You will find all the information you need here:
http://www.lcool.org
Bill B said
01:32 PM Nov 7, 2017
mezza56 wrote: <, we had 600kg CR sprin
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Bass said
04:42 PM Nov 7, 2017
one reason why we got rid of our Dmax. our 200 is set up with OME suspension a 2'' lift with 200kg springs at rear and air bags. Air bags not needed or used. our van has 280 kg ball weight and the 200 handles it easy no WDH required. another reason for going with the 200kg was that it is the same kit required for a GVM upgrade ( although I havn't got round to doing that yet.
Hey Jim said
04:55 PM Nov 7, 2017
mezza56 wrote:
Have sold our ranger, sad to see it go after setting it up so well .Done 90kl with no issues at all , great vehicle . It was either a smaller van or change car over as we were at 5960kg last trip with 1 x gas bottle and no annexe or generator.
Anyway we're buying a GX 200 and I'm wondering what anyone on the forum that has a 200 have done to the suspension on their vehicle . Our ball weight last trip was 280kg , we had 600kg CR sprin
Hi Mezza56,
Yep I felt the same with my Parado V6 petrol after 15 years married to the old girl.
You will get over your Ranger after climbing aboard your 200GX. It took 18 months to set ours up the way I needed it for both work and play in retirement.
The power on tap will blow away many of the old memories.
The last trip in our old girl 2012 pulling up the Hume Hwy towing the boat @ 40kmph. coming home from WA.
My wife asked what was wrong as the B Doubles passed us by up hill.
I said that we needed an upgrade to a Diesel Parado.
My Lambie said what do we really need. A GX200 TTD was my reply.
Her reply. Do it while we are both still working.
The price difference was Ten grand. It was the best tow truck investment ever.
We added coil right air bags to the rear total. I had a custom hitch made as well. Our van ball weight is around 285kg.
It sits level. Both car and van both have ASB. A dream towing both van and boat.
PS: Remove second row rear split seats (106kg saving), add extra cargo hooks to the original anchor points for the seats, and you can carry your Mother inlaw in comfort. Plus fold up table and camp chairs Cloths airer All anchored to the cargo barrier with ratchet straps. We can anchor another 4 x 25lt Water containers to the floor( if mother inlaw is not on board).
Jim
-- Edited by Hey Jim on Wednesday 8th of November 2017 11:15:37 AM
-- Edited by Hey Jim on Wednesday 8th of November 2017 11:19:37 AM
Garry6849 said
07:19 PM Nov 7, 2017
200 suspension. I own a 2014 GXL with a host of extras. Long range Tanks giving me 270 Ltrs, Bull Bar/SWC, Drawer Kit etc. Great except that I was over my legal weight as soon as I and the wife got in the thing. Tow a 25Ft Jayco which is +3,500 Kg so WOW. Anyway to the point. I installed the Lovells suspension upgrade. This gives me the following. 3,800 GVM (Car only) and 7,300 GCM ( Car and Van) Adds 2" to the height which means I no longer scrape my Drop neck shank on the Towbar and handles like a dream.
yobarr said
09:14 PM Dec 18, 2017
Hi Garry.....Increasing the GVM on your 200,which normally has a GVM of 3350kg,does not increase your GCM,
which is determined by Toyota,and is 6850kg on your vehicle.If you tow your 3500kg boat,and load your car to 3850kg,
you are overloaded by 500kg..big fines loom! It should also be noted that a towball weight of 350kg adds approximately
480kg to your rear axle,because of the leverage effect....think about it! Formula to calculate this increase in AXLE load
is as follows:- Overhang (distance from rear axle to towball) divided by wheelbase of car gives a figure,often about 35-45,
which is the percentage INCREASE in the weight on your rear axle.As an example,my 70 series has wheelbase of
3180mm and the distance from the rear axle to the towball (overhang) is 1200mm,giving an increase in axle load of
37.7% over my ball weight.If my towball weight is 250kg, the INCREASE in the weight on my rear axle is 250 x 1.377,
or 345kg.Assuming your dimensions are similar,your towball weight of 350kg corresponds to an INCREASE of 480kg in
your rear axle weight,compared with the rear axle weight before you attached your trailer. The further your towball is
from your rear axle,the greater the weight on your rear axle! Hope this helps.Cheers.
BruDi said
11:11 AM Dec 19, 2017
We have a 200 Series and went with a Lovell's suspension upgrade. It was done before delivery so has an Australia wide compliance plate. The upgrade in GVM was 500 kg. We also removed the rear seats, again before delivery. We tow, but also do a fair amount of 4WD stuff where we need suspension that is not soft. We also considered having a GCM upgrade done with Lovell's gear, but decided to run with it first. We found that it was unnecessary. We ran our van and 200 Series over a weighbridge and discovered we were within the allowable range.
Not sorry in the least with the upgrade, but it does make a bit of a step up to get in.
Di
yobarr said
11:57 AM Dec 19, 2017
Hi...Great to hear that all appears good with your rig.However,I would be interested to know what weight you have on the rear axle of your car. Simple way to do this take the loaded rig to a weighbridge,weigh the front axle only (A) then weigh the whole car,(B)
with the van wheels NOT on the weighbridge.Subtract A from B to get your rear axle weight....you may be surprised!
Although I am not 100% sure of the figures,if my old memory serves me correctly,you are able to run 1480-1500kg on your
front axle,leaving around 2350kg for the cars rear axle. (Your GVM should now be 3850kg).
I have GVM of 3760kg,and with the van hooked and loaded,I have rear axle weight of 2280kg.....right on the legal limit for my my combination.Good luck and happy travelling!
rockylizard said
01:55 PM Dec 19, 2017
yobarr wrote:
Hi...Great to hear that all appears good with your rig.However,I would be interested to know what weight you have on the rear axle of your car. Simple way to do this take the loaded rig to a weighbridge,weigh the front axle only (A) then weigh the whole car,(B) with the van wheels NOT on the weighbridge.Subtract A from B to get your rear axle weight....you may be surprised! Are you sure of this?
Although I am not 100% sure of the figures,if my old memory serves me correctly,you are able to run 1480-1500kg on your front axle, leaving around 2350kg (??) for the cars rear axle. (Your GVM should now be 3850kg) Is that the GVM Upgrade figure?.Praps see standard axle specs below. I have GVM of 3760kg,and with the van hooked and loaded,I have rear axle weight of 2280kg.....right on the legal limit for my my combination.Good luck and happy travelling!
Gday...
I am aware that following a GVM modification/upgrade there may be some change in 'approved' axle loads.
I am more than willing to be proven wrong. Can someone provide details data/approvals showing the increased axle weight allowances from standard Toyota axle max loadings. I know nothing about GVM upgrades so does the GVM upgrade, upgrade the standard axles for the increased weight rating - or are the standard axles retained?
OH ... and before all the twisted knickers appear, I state this is NOT a 200 series 'bash' ... just trying to understand how standard vehicles are modified so that they can do tasks they were not designed to do ... albeit via engineered, and approved, upgrades etc.
Cheers - John
yobarr said
06:13 PM Dec 19, 2017
Hi Rockylizard...The increase in GVM is achieved by upgrading the springs to a higher capacity,and
installing heavier shocks.Axles stay the same.As your chart shows,GVM on a 200 series is 3350kg,
but,as your figures show,Toyota are happy to have up to 1630kg on the front axle,and up to 1950kg
on the rear axle,but not both at the same time! For example,if you ran at 1950kg on the rear axle,
you would be limited to 1400kg on the front axle,or you would exceed your 3350kg GVM.Conversely,
if you ran 1630kg on your front axle,you would be limited to 1720kg on your rear axle.Upgrading the
GVM to 3850kg by installing heavier springs and shocks allows you to carry 500kg more on your car,
but does not increase the GCM,so the towed weight has to be reduced accordingly.As your figures show,
GCM for a 200 series is 6850kg,so if you load your car to 3850kg,you are limited to towing 3000kg.
To answer your questions,yes,3850kg is the GVM upgrade figure,and yes,I am sure that subtracting the
front axle weight (A) from the total vehicle weight (B) gives a figure that represents rear axle weight!
Hope this is clear,and helps you to understand GVM increase,but I am happy to try to answer any other
questions you may have.Take care....Cheers
BruDi said
09:35 AM Dec 21, 2017
yobarr,
Our van's weight loaded is 3080 kg. The weight when attached to the car is 2800. The ball weight is 280. We weighed it with full tanks, full gas bottles, all food stuffs and drinks as well as our clothes and other necessary gear; in other words fully packed for a trip.
Di
Dickodownunder said
09:54 AM Dec 21, 2017
mezza56 wrote:
Have sold our ranger, sad to see it go after setting it up so well .Done 90kl with no issues at all , great vehicle . It was either a smaller van or change car over as we were at 5960kg last trip with 1 x gas bottle and no annexe or generator.
Anyway we're buying a GX 200 and I'm wondering what anyone on the forum that has a 200 have done to the suspension on their vehicle . Our ball weight last trip was 280kg , we had 600kg CR sprin
Hi Mezza
Dont believe everything you may read on a forum.
Phone or visit a Lovells dealer and get the information first hand
After you have spoken to them you will have an accurate idea of what your particular vehicle will need.
They will assess your personal wants and needs prior to them starting any modifications and this is important so that the upgrade suits your intended use. A lot will depend on the extras you intend to have fitted. Without any other extras fitted you may find the upgrade is not necessary. They will also explain the legalities of it all as well.
As stated above, if you dont need the two seats in the rear then remove them to gain more payload. If you buy a GX standard model I dont think they come with those rear seats.
If you are buying a new vehicle it is easier to have it done prior to delivery.
Good luck with the Toyota....you will love it.
-- Edited by Dickodownunder on Thursday 21st of December 2017 09:55:37 AM
Have sold our ranger, sad to see it go after setting it up so well .Done 90kl with no issues at all , great vehicle . It was either a smaller van or change car over as we were at 5960kg last trip with 1 x gas bottle and no annexe or generator.
Anyway we're buying a GX 200 and I'm wondering what anyone on the forum that has a 200 have done to the suspension on their vehicle . Our ball weight last trip was 280kg , we had 600kg CR sprin
Mezza, good move.
You will find all the information you need here:
http://www.lcool.org
?
Hi Mezza56,
Yep I felt the same with my Parado V6 petrol after 15 years married to the old girl.
You will get over your Ranger after climbing aboard your 200GX. It took 18 months to set ours up the way I needed it for both work and play in retirement.
The power on tap will blow away many of the old memories.
The last trip in our old girl 2012 pulling up the Hume Hwy towing the boat @ 40kmph.
coming home from WA.
My wife asked what was wrong as the B Doubles passed us by up hill.
I said that we needed an upgrade to a Diesel Parado
.
My Lambie said what do we really need. A GX200 TTD was my reply.
Her reply. Do it while we are both still working.
The price difference was Ten grand. It was the best tow truck investment ever.
We added coil right air bags to the rear total. I had a custom hitch made as well. Our van ball weight is around 285kg.
It sits level. Both car and van both have ASB. A dream towing both van and boat.
PS: Remove second row rear split seats (106kg saving), add extra cargo hooks to the original anchor points for the seats, and you can carry your Mother inlaw in comfort.
Plus fold up table and camp chairs Cloths airer All anchored to the cargo barrier with ratchet straps. We can anchor another 4 x 25lt Water containers to the floor( if mother inlaw is not on board).
Jim
-- Edited by Hey Jim on Wednesday 8th of November 2017 11:15:37 AM
-- Edited by Hey Jim on Wednesday 8th of November 2017 11:19:37 AM
200 suspension. I own a 2014 GXL with a host of extras. Long range Tanks giving me 270 Ltrs, Bull Bar/SWC, Drawer Kit etc. Great except that I was over my legal weight as soon as I and the wife got in the thing. Tow a 25Ft Jayco which is +3,500 Kg so WOW. Anyway to the point. I installed the Lovells suspension upgrade. This gives me the following. 3,800 GVM (Car only) and 7,300 GCM ( Car and Van) Adds 2" to the height which means I no longer scrape my Drop neck shank on the Towbar and handles like a dream.
Hi Garry.....Increasing the GVM on your 200,which normally has a GVM of 3350kg,does not increase your GCM,
which is determined by Toyota,and is 6850kg on your vehicle.If you tow your 3500kg boat,and load your car to 3850kg,
you are overloaded by 500kg..big fines loom! It should also be noted that a towball weight of 350kg adds approximately
480kg to your rear axle,because of the leverage effect....think about it! Formula to calculate this increase in AXLE load
is as follows:- Overhang (distance from rear axle to towball) divided by wheelbase of car gives a figure,often about 35-45,
which is the percentage INCREASE in the weight on your rear axle.As an example,my 70 series has wheelbase of
3180mm and the distance from the rear axle to the towball (overhang) is 1200mm,giving an increase in axle load of
37.7% over my ball weight.If my towball weight is 250kg, the INCREASE in the weight on my rear axle is 250 x 1.377,
or 345kg.Assuming your dimensions are similar,your towball weight of 350kg corresponds to an INCREASE of 480kg in
your rear axle weight,compared with the rear axle weight before you attached your trailer. The further your towball is
from your rear axle,the greater the weight on your rear axle! Hope this helps.Cheers.
We have a 200 Series and went with a Lovell's suspension upgrade. It was done before delivery so has an Australia wide compliance plate. The upgrade in GVM was 500 kg. We also removed the rear seats, again before delivery. We tow, but also do a fair amount of 4WD stuff where we need suspension that is not soft. We also considered having a GCM upgrade done with Lovell's gear, but decided to run with it first. We found that it was unnecessary. We ran our van and 200 Series over a weighbridge and discovered we were within the allowable range.
Not sorry in the least with the upgrade, but it does make a bit of a step up to get in.
Di
with the van wheels NOT on the weighbridge.Subtract A from B to get your rear axle weight....you may be surprised!
Although I am not 100% sure of the figures,if my old memory serves me correctly,you are able to run 1480-1500kg on your
front axle,leaving around 2350kg for the cars rear axle. (Your GVM should now be 3850kg).
I have GVM of 3760kg,and with the van hooked and loaded,I have rear axle weight of 2280kg.....right on the legal limit for my my combination.Good luck and happy travelling!
Gday...
I am aware that following a GVM modification/upgrade there may be some change in 'approved' axle loads.
I am more than willing to be proven wrong. Can someone provide details data/approvals showing the increased axle weight allowances from standard Toyota axle max loadings. I know nothing about GVM upgrades so does the GVM upgrade, upgrade the standard axles for the increased weight rating - or are the standard axles retained?
These are the Toyota axle specs -
The above is from this site -
https://www.4x4australia.com.au/gear/1607/4x4-vehicle-loading-and-gvm-explained
OH ... and before all the twisted knickers appear, I state this is NOT a 200 series 'bash' ... just trying to understand how standard vehicles are modified so that they can do tasks they were not designed to do ... albeit via engineered, and approved, upgrades etc.
Cheers - John
Hi Rockylizard...The increase in GVM is achieved by upgrading the springs to a higher capacity,and
installing heavier shocks.Axles stay the same.As your chart shows,GVM on a 200 series is 3350kg,
but,as your figures show,Toyota are happy to have up to 1630kg on the front axle,and up to 1950kg
on the rear axle,but not both at the same time! For example,if you ran at 1950kg on the rear axle,
you would be limited to 1400kg on the front axle,or you would exceed your 3350kg GVM.Conversely,
if you ran 1630kg on your front axle,you would be limited to 1720kg on your rear axle.Upgrading the
GVM to 3850kg by installing heavier springs and shocks allows you to carry 500kg more on your car,
but does not increase the GCM,so the towed weight has to be reduced accordingly.As your figures show,
GCM for a 200 series is 6850kg,so if you load your car to 3850kg,you are limited to towing 3000kg.
To answer your questions,yes,3850kg is the GVM upgrade figure,and yes,I am sure that subtracting the
front axle weight (A) from the total vehicle weight (B) gives a figure that represents rear axle weight!
Hope this is clear,and helps you to understand GVM increase,but I am happy to try to answer any other
questions you may have.Take care....Cheers
yobarr,
Our van's weight loaded is 3080 kg. The weight when attached to the car is 2800. The ball weight is 280. We weighed it with full tanks, full gas bottles, all food stuffs and drinks as well as our clothes and other necessary gear; in other words fully packed for a trip.
Di
Hi Mezza
Dont believe everything you may read on a forum.
Phone or visit a Lovells dealer and get the information first hand
After you have spoken to them you will have an accurate idea of what your particular vehicle will need.
They will assess your personal wants and needs prior to them starting any modifications and this is important so that the upgrade suits your intended use. A lot will depend on the extras you intend to have fitted. Without any other extras fitted you may find the upgrade is not necessary. They will also explain the legalities of it all as well.
As stated above, if you dont need the two seats in the rear then remove them to gain more payload. If you buy a GX standard model I dont think they come with those rear seats.
If you are buying a new vehicle it is easier to have it done prior to delivery.
Good luck with the Toyota....you will love it.
-- Edited by Dickodownunder on Thursday 21st of December 2017 09:55:37 AM