Does a ford Terri need a auto trans cooler and is one available if i intend to tow extensively long term a caravan .
greg
-- Edited by terriwa on Wednesday 31st of October 2018 01:01:35 AM
-- Edited by terriwa on Wednesday 31st of October 2018 01:03:12 AM
mezza56 said
07:44 AM Oct 31, 2018
If your going to tow a van over 3 tonne and up north when its hot then probably a good idea if one is available . I'd assume its an auto so drive in man/ sports mode in 5th gear not sixth when towing ( thats assuming its a six speed) when we had a PX ranger I could tow our 3.2 tonne van in o/d no problem but always selected sports mode and 5th gear anyway , even on flat ground . Didn't have a cooler and had no problem .
Aus-Kiwi said
09:11 AM Oct 31, 2018
Dont need one from Ford . Just fit a good aftermarket cooler . Keep in mind modern trans have heat exchanger is that coolant heats ATF when cold .. These are often disconnected and seperate trans cooler fitted . The heat exchanger can leak coolant into auto . Buggering up auto . Just a fail safe way of preventing auto damage . In warmer areas . Heating the ATF in not necessary.
hako said
03:31 PM Oct 31, 2018
If it's a diesel Territory they have a different heat exchanger to the petrol ones which does not leak.
If petrol I'd go with what A-K says and fit a bypass air to oil cooler which bypasses the factory heat exchanger and avoids a 'milkshake'. They cost about $300 DIY on Ebay.
Good Luck.
Dick0 said
12:57 AM Nov 1, 2018
Welcome Greg.
My Terri is a diesel and AWD. Ford rated towing capacity is 2.7 Tonne.
Have towed a 2.0 Tonne tandem pop-top 30k mostly in hot and humid Northern winters.
Never had overheating or transmission faults/problems. Temp gauge read as normal cooling.
Aircon was always set at auto setting. Cruised at 90/95kms. Transmission always left in "D".
Depending on headwinds and terrain would mostly cruise in sixth gear. Am happy with Terri Diesel.
Average fuel consumption was around 14lts per 100kms.
Never felt I needed an alternative or additional transmission cooler.
Transmission gets a basic service (filter/gaskets/oil etc) at 50k intervals.
If you don't have a diesel AWD Terri, ignore all of the above.
Happy and safe travels.
terriwa said
02:30 AM Nov 1, 2018
Thanks guys for the info, for your info it is deisal rated 2.7t, hopely towing a 204atm van.
Greg
Leftwing said
02:49 PM Nov 1, 2018
Just got rid of my territory diesel awd bcause of too many transmission problems. 1st one died at 60K, replaced under warranty. Next one died at 134K. 1st one had lots of iron fillings in pan. Next one had coolant in transmission. Town Automatics in Townsville had another 3 Territories there with same thing.They definitely need an external cooler. New trans and cooler cost me $8300.I spat it and bought a new mux izusu and will get a cooler fitted asap. I also have a trans temp gauge now. Scan gauge 2.
JBDUBBO said
08:36 PM Nov 2, 2018
Back in May we traded our Ford Territory AWD Titanium Diesel in on an Everest had 170,000klms up (about 60,000 towing) It had been around Australia twice plus up to Cairns and many other trips. We tow a single axle van 2150kg ATM. I never had any thing done on this car except tyres and front brake pads, never had a transmission problem (had the transmission serviced with new oil/filter at 100.000 klms.) we always towed in drive but the car selected 5th 99% of the time Ford did not recommend or need a cooler.
Very nice car and we were sorry to see it go. Traded on an Everest to get a real 4WD but not the car the Terri was,
Aus-Kiwi said
11:01 PM Nov 2, 2018
If only the trans cooler was fitted and heat exchanger disconnected . Would have saved 1000s .. But manufacturers know there stuff !! Pffft .
kesa32 said
12:45 PM Nov 4, 2018
Hi , getting a cooler on the diesel is a hard task , most auto places can't do it due to complexity of fitting locations ( or the lack of )
I'm still thinking about it atm as I've always ran coolers , these boxs run a thermostat so as far as l know they shouldn't need pre heating from the radiator as they won't circulate oil until it's up to temp
In the mean time lve had the box serviced , and changed out the radiator fluid , so unless the piping in the radiator fails mechanically , it should be good for awhile longer until l figure this out
For an SUV it is a great vehicle, towing wise and especially comfort wise for us ...
We tow in Performance mode and just recently returned from a half lap and averaged around 14lph cruising at around 95/100kph depending on conditions of course , towing our 8m Bailey ( 1800kg atm )
terriwa said
12:39 AM Nov 5, 2018
what type of bailey do you have?
Greg
kesa32 said
05:49 AM Nov 5, 2018
It's a series 6 Senator Wyoming
terriwa said
11:20 PM Nov 5, 2018
KESA32
IN WHAT STATE DO YOU LIVE AND WHEN DID YOU IMPORT THE BAILEY. DID YOU DO ANY OFF ROAD TOURING WITH YOUR VAN.
THKS GREG
Jaahn said
06:55 AM Nov 6, 2018
kesa32 wrote:
Hi , getting a cooler on the diesel is a hard task , most auto places can't do it due to complexity of fitting locations ( or the lack of ) I'm still thinking about it atm as I've always ran coolers , these boxes run a thermostat so as far as l know they shouldn't need pre heating from the radiator as they won't circulate oil until it's up to temp In the mean time lve had the box serviced , and changed out the radiator fluid , so unless the piping in the radiator fails mechanically , it should be good for awhile longer until l figure this out For an SUV it is a great vehicle, towing wise and especially comfort wise for us ... We tow in Performance mode and just recently returned from a half lap and averaged around 14lph cruising at around 95/100kph depending on conditions of course , towing our 8m Bailey ( 1800kg atm )
Hi Kesa
I think you will find that these boxes, like all modern ones, are all controlled by the computer controller. So the oil circulation is allowed or stopped by a set of rules in the computer not a thermostat. So the temperature of the oil and the outside air and the engine coolant are all monitored to decide if the oil need warming or cooling etc. And if the computer decides it needs to do something and it cannot get the result expected it will show a fault.
Jaahn
kesa32 said
10:03 AM Nov 6, 2018
Hi Greg, lm in Vic , and we bought it already imported here in 2014
No don't do off-road work with it as it's not designed for that , though it'll handle gravel roads ok so long as they're in good condition ( like any touring type van )
Hi Jaahn, I'm only quoting what l read on tech pages , also l was told they are hard to do a complete flush through when getting serviced because of this ..... l personally haven't had one apart to find out :)
Cheers
Aus-Kiwi said
12:05 PM Nov 6, 2018
The faster heating of trans fluid is more to do with fuel economy . If your towing ? It will get to temp pretty quick . In my GT ( supercharged 5.0). The heat exchanger section has been bypassed and air to air has trans cooler been fitted . Still runs the same . I dont have to worry about an auto rebuild if coolant gets into auto . Must say . Most times Ive seen auto issues is mainly from
No or little servicing .
Does a ford Terri need a auto trans cooler and is one available if i intend to tow extensively long term a caravan .
greg
-- Edited by terriwa on Wednesday 31st of October 2018 01:01:35 AM
-- Edited by terriwa on Wednesday 31st of October 2018 01:03:12 AM
If your going to tow a van over 3 tonne and up north when its hot then probably a good idea if one is available . I'd assume its an auto so drive in man/ sports mode in 5th gear not sixth when towing ( thats assuming its a six speed) when we had a PX ranger I could tow our 3.2 tonne van in o/d no problem but always selected sports mode and 5th gear anyway , even on flat ground . Didn't have a cooler and had no problem .
If petrol I'd go with what A-K says and fit a bypass air to oil cooler which bypasses the factory heat exchanger and avoids a 'milkshake'. They cost about $300 DIY on Ebay.
Good Luck.
Welcome Greg.
My Terri is a diesel and AWD. Ford rated towing capacity is 2.7 Tonne.
Have towed a 2.0 Tonne tandem pop-top 30k mostly in hot and humid Northern winters.
Never had overheating or transmission faults/problems. Temp gauge read as normal cooling.
Aircon was always set at auto setting. Cruised at 90/95kms. Transmission always left in "D".
Depending on headwinds and terrain would mostly cruise in sixth gear. Am happy with Terri Diesel.
Average fuel consumption was around 14lts per 100kms.
Never felt I needed an alternative or additional transmission cooler.
Transmission gets a basic service (filter/gaskets/oil etc) at 50k intervals.
If you don't have a diesel AWD Terri, ignore all of the above.
Happy and safe travels.
Thanks guys for the info, for your info it is deisal rated 2.7t, hopely towing a 204atm van.
Greg
Very nice car and we were sorry to see it go. Traded on an Everest to get a real 4WD but not the car the Terri was,
I'm still thinking about it atm as I've always ran coolers , these boxs run a thermostat so as far as l know they shouldn't need pre heating from the radiator as they won't circulate oil until it's up to temp
In the mean time lve had the box serviced , and changed out the radiator fluid , so unless the piping in the radiator fails mechanically , it should be good for awhile longer until l figure this out
For an SUV it is a great vehicle, towing wise and especially comfort wise for us ...
We tow in Performance mode and just recently returned from a half lap and averaged around 14lph cruising at around 95/100kph depending on conditions of course , towing our 8m Bailey ( 1800kg atm )
what type of bailey do you have?
Greg
KESA32
IN WHAT STATE DO YOU LIVE AND WHEN DID YOU IMPORT THE BAILEY. DID YOU DO ANY OFF ROAD TOURING WITH YOUR VAN.
THKS GREG
Hi Kesa
I think you will find that these boxes, like all modern ones, are all controlled by the computer controller. So the oil circulation is allowed or stopped by a set of rules in the computer not a thermostat. So the temperature of the oil and the outside air and the engine coolant are all monitored to decide if the oil need warming or cooling etc. And if the computer decides it needs to do something and it cannot get the result expected it will show a fault.
Jaahn
No don't do off-road work with it as it's not designed for that , though it'll handle gravel roads ok so long as they're in good condition ( like any touring type van )
Hi Jaahn, I'm only quoting what l read on tech pages , also l was told they are hard to do a complete flush through when getting serviced because of this ..... l personally haven't had one apart to find out :)
Cheers