I have checked through the search bar and most comments are pretty old, so, time to ask again.
I have Cooper AT3 fitted to the Collie and have now done around the 80,000km mark. I am happy with that, however, I have never really liked them other than that. You see, not long after I got them I felt them slipping on a gravel road even when in 4x4.
I had a set of BFG A/T fitted to the previous tug, being a Toyota Prado and was happy all round, although I don't know how long they lasted as got rid of it for the Collie.
It has come that time to think about new tyres and was going to get BFG A/T KO2's, so got a price from Tyre Power local to where I am as we speak and they strongly suggested Toyo AT's. They reckon the BFG's are not a Light Truck but Toyo are. According to BFG they are. Toyo are also nearly $100 cheaper.
So, I ask you people that know, what is your opinion please.
Peter_n_Margaret said
05:18 PM Nov 20, 2018
What is a "Light truck" tyre and who cares (seriously)?
Buy on the basis of load carrying capacity. More is better, provided all other things are equal (and they rarely are).
Cheers,
Peter
Dickodownunder said
05:55 PM Nov 20, 2018
Doug, LT is a rating that refers to the load carrying capacity of the tyre and includes the strength of the walls. Many do care so consider your choice carefully. A lot of comments on here refer to the off road vehicles that the members have built, use, and at times, even use.
You really dont have a combination that you are taking off road as far as defined 4wd tracks are concerned so the BFGs would be more than adequate particularly if you dont like the Coopers. Assess what your needs are and go from there.
My personal thoughts are if your use is mainly highway then go the highway tyre with the ability to travel on lesser tracks but be prepared that if for some reason you need to venture into the unknown then be aware that all care and pressure adjustment could save your tyres. I personally buy the standard tyres that were initially fitted to my Toyota, the main reason is that they will go where most of the others will and they are cheaper and easily replaced. Of course, if it is important that the brand and style of the tyre is emblazoned in vivid white on the tyre wall for all to see then you will need to go the most well known off road tyre available.
-- Edited by Dickodownunder on Tuesday 20th of November 2018 05:58:35 PM
denmonkey said
06:08 PM Nov 20, 2018
I've had BFGS on 4wds before with fat delica and towing and found them to be an excellent tire. I don't recall the ply on them but that can be a faff too going off that. I can say that I never had a flat or stakes a tire off road. I can't tell you what i got out of them, but I do recall thinking I went through them faster than I thought.
I'm not sure what the dealers point is, theyre a 4wd AT tyre made for purpose. I think sometimes they just push what ever is on promotion or they have a lot of.
I'm trying out the hankook Dynapro ATs at the moment and I think they're better in the wet than the BFGs but again since theyre kinda new, I can't speak to wear either but they seem to be doing ok.
you can search for tire size use etc and check all the reviews from the buyers there. You buy the tires from them and then choose a fitter and they send them to them. I haven't used them other than research but I've heard good reports.
-- Edited by denmonkey on Wednesday 21st of November 2018 12:16:00 PM
Paul said
06:10 PM Nov 20, 2018
Hi Doug, I bought some Toyo A/T Open Country at the start of the year to replace some 697 Bridgestones that I found were to soft for continual use, the price was good and they were good around a couple of the farms I was sitting at but when I came over to Qld I found the aggressive tread ended up being a bit noisy and produced a slight vibration that was looked at when I got to Qld by another TyrePower outlet, they ended up telling me that the tread was probably the cause of the minor problems, in general they're ok but I probably wont buy them again, Paul.
Plain Truth said
06:19 PM Nov 20, 2018
Dougwe,checkout how they handle in the wet,my friend has always runs BFG.AT'S,but he is not to pleased with his latest KO2'S in the wet.
,
JeffRae said
06:32 PM Nov 20, 2018
We have had BFG's on the last two vehicles. Currently have them on a D-Max. done around 40,000 kms to date and still have a lot of tread to go. We usually go down every dirt track, just to have a look,
in 4WD and not had any problems. They do like to pick up small stones, very noticeable once back on the bitumen
Peter_n_Margaret said
07:06 PM Nov 20, 2018
Dickodownunder wrote:
LT is a rating that refers to the load carrying capacity of the tyre and includes the strength of the walls.
The precise load carrying capacity and the pressure to which it applies is clearly marked on EVERY tyre (and that includes the walls) and they are easily comparable.
Perhaps you could exactly what more than that "LT" actually means?
Cheers,
Peter
Dickodownunder said
07:19 PM Nov 20, 2018
LT is a tyre rating... fairly simple for the average consumer to assess the rating.
Peter, your knowledge of completely off road travel is to be commended but what applies to your OKA and its building and modification including tyres and suspension is hardly applicable to the average Joe with a ute and a caravan.
To suggest that any standard accepted rating for tyre usage is to be ignored is probably not the best of advice to be offered on an open forum.
Plain Truth said
07:21 PM Nov 20, 2018
JeffRae wrote:
We have had BFG's on the last two vehicles. Currently have them on a D-Max. done around 40,000 kms to date and still have a lot of tread to go. We usually go down every dirt track, just to have a look,
in 4WD and not had any problems. They do like to pick up small stones, very noticeable once back on the bitumen
But are they KO2'S
rockylizard said
07:39 PM Nov 20, 2018
Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
Dickodownunder wrote:
LT is a rating that refers to the load carrying capacity of the tyre and includes the strength of the walls.
The precise load carrying capacity and the pressure to which it applies is clearly marked on EVERY tyre (and that includes the walls) and they are easily comparable.
Perhaps you could exactly what more than that "LT" actually means?
Cheers,
Peter
Gday...
LIGHT TRUCK (LT) Typically built with load carrying capacity and strength in mind, they have a stronger carcass to handle the load requirements of light trucks. Most vans or utes will usually specify these types of tyres, and youll find the majority of All Terrain and Mud Terrain tyres are rated as the tougher Light Truck (LT) construction too.
PASSENGER (P) Passenger-Rated tyres have a higher speed rating and lower load rating. they are of a lighter construction than Light Truck tyres and are typically used with Highway Terrain tyres.
Putting my spoke in, when I first started towing our big rig, I never felt the semi's, but now there is a clear "Suck in" when a semi starts to pass. The only thing that has really changed is a new set of tires on the tug. Went from Dunlop AT 20's to Kumo LT's.
Dickodownunder said
07:47 PM Nov 20, 2018
Good link John and the designated specs are easily matched to what is on the tyre placard on the vehicle and helps the consumer ensure that the tyres that he / she is choosing or the tyres that are being recommended by a retailer are the correct and legal tyre for their respective vehicle.
-- Edited by Dickodownunder on Tuesday 20th of November 2018 07:50:10 PM
Possum3 said
08:48 PM Nov 20, 2018
Toyo's were on my previous Patrol just short of 100k's - but not towing van. they were certainly great on gravel roads.
Greg 1 said
11:48 PM Nov 20, 2018
I have a set of Hankook Dynapro A/T's on currently. Good wet or dry, good offroad and are wearing well. Certainly not noisey. Was going to fit the new BF Goodrich but my nephews family run a fleet of 4wd in the outback, and they are getting over 100000k from the Hankooks and they are about $100 cheaper than the Goodrich. So far I am very pleased with them and my nephews recommendation.
Moose2 said
06:43 AM Nov 21, 2018
G'day Doug
I refuse to pay extra for those 'name' brands like BFG, Bridgestone etc.
Did have BFGs many moons ago and they lasted no better than anything else but cost more. So not economically worthwhile.
Have been using Khumo (AT pattern) for a while now and happy with them. Better value IMO.
Whatever you go for, ring around - some good savings to be made.
moamajohn said
02:04 PM Nov 21, 2018
Gday Doug .My previous tyres got me 76000 however I like change and my tyreman / mechanic of 20 plus years said try Pirelli scorpion ATR $ 400 cheaper for a set than others .Up to 50000 so far and no sign of wear as yet . Cheers.
Dougwe said
05:40 PM Nov 21, 2018
Thanks everyone for your replies, I really appreciate it. I am a little confused though as don't want to get rubbish on the Collie.
I have been reading some reviews about both tyres and even though I am leaning toward the BFG quite a few people say they are not as good on wet black top. The Toyo a liitle soft so you can see my problem.
I am going to put a separate thread up so keep tuned.
JeffRae said
06:22 PM Nov 21, 2018
Plain Truth wrote:
JeffRae wrote:
We have had BFG's on the last two vehicles. Currently have them on a D-Max. done around 40,000 kms to date and still have a lot of tread to go. We usually go down every dirt track, just to have a look,
in 4WD and not had any problems. They do like to pick up small stones, very noticeable once back on the bitumen
I have checked through the search bar and most comments are pretty old, so, time to ask again.
I have Cooper AT3 fitted to the Collie and have now done around the 80,000km mark. I am happy with that, however, I have never really liked them other than that. You see, not long after I got them I felt them slipping on a gravel road even when in 4x4.
I had a set of BFG A/T fitted to the previous tug, being a Toyota Prado and was happy all round, although I don't know how long they lasted as got rid of it for the Collie.
It has come that time to think about new tyres and was going to get BFG A/T KO2's, so got a price from Tyre Power local to where I am as we speak and they strongly suggested Toyo AT's. They reckon the BFG's are not a Light Truck but Toyo are. According to BFG they are. Toyo are also nearly $100 cheaper.
So, I ask you people that know, what is your opinion please.
Buy on the basis of load carrying capacity. More is better, provided all other things are equal (and they rarely are).
Cheers,
Peter
Doug,
LT is a rating that refers to the load carrying capacity of the tyre and includes the strength of the walls.
Many do care so consider your choice carefully.
A lot of comments on here refer to the off road vehicles that the members have built, use, and at times, even use.
You really dont have a combination that you are taking off road as far as defined 4wd tracks are concerned so the BFGs would be more than adequate particularly if you dont like the Coopers.
Assess what your needs are and go from there.
My personal thoughts are if your use is mainly highway then go the highway tyre with the ability to travel on lesser tracks but be prepared that if for some reason you need to venture into the unknown then be aware that all care and pressure adjustment could save your tyres.
I personally buy the standard tyres that were initially fitted to my Toyota, the main reason is that they will go where most of the others will and they are cheaper and easily replaced.
Of course, if it is important that the brand and style of the tyre is emblazoned in vivid white on the tyre wall for all to see then you will need to go the most well known off road tyre available.
-- Edited by Dickodownunder on Tuesday 20th of November 2018 05:58:35 PM
I've had BFGS on 4wds before with fat delica and towing and found them to be an excellent tire.
I don't recall the ply on them but that can be a faff too going off that. I can say that I never had a flat or stakes a tire off road.
I can't tell you what i got out of them, but I do recall thinking I went through them faster than I thought.
I'm not sure what the dealers point is, theyre a 4wd AT tyre made for purpose.
I think sometimes they just push what ever is on promotion or they have a lot of.
I'm trying out the hankook Dynapro ATs at the moment and I think they're better in the wet than the BFGs but again since theyre kinda new, I can't speak to wear either but they seem to be doing ok.
not sure if any of that helps Doug.
hang on maybe I can be of use :)
check out this site.
www.tyresales.com.au/
no affiliation
you can search for tire size use etc and check all the reviews from the buyers there. You buy the tires from them and then choose a fitter and they send them to them.
I haven't used them other than research but I've heard good reports.
-- Edited by denmonkey on Wednesday 21st of November 2018 12:16:00 PM
Dougwe,checkout how they handle in the wet,my friend has always runs BFG.AT'S,but he is not to pleased with his latest KO2'S in the wet.
,
We have had BFG's on the last two vehicles. Currently have them on a D-Max. done around 40,000 kms to date and still have a lot of tread to go. We usually go down every dirt track, just to have a look,
in 4WD and not had any problems. They do like to pick up small stones, very noticeable once back on the bitumen
The precise load carrying capacity and the pressure to which it applies is clearly marked on EVERY tyre (and that includes the walls) and they are easily comparable.
Perhaps you could exactly what more than that "LT" actually means?
Cheers,
Peter
Peter, your knowledge of completely off road travel is to be commended but what applies to your OKA and its building and modification including tyres and suspension is hardly applicable to the average Joe with a ute and a caravan.
To suggest that any standard accepted rating for tyre usage is to be ignored is probably not the best of advice to be offered on an open forum.
But are they KO2'S
Gday...
LIGHT TRUCK (LT) Typically built with load carrying capacity and strength in mind, they have a stronger carcass to handle the load requirements of light trucks. Most vans or utes will usually specify these types of tyres, and youll find the majority of All Terrain and Mud Terrain tyres are rated as the tougher Light Truck (LT) construction too.
PASSENGER (P) Passenger-Rated tyres have a higher speed rating and lower load rating. they are of a lighter construction than Light Truck tyres and are typically used with Highway Terrain tyres.
http://www.withoutahitch.com.au/travel/understanding-tyre-specs/
Cheers - John
Good link John
and the designated specs are easily matched to what is on the tyre placard on the vehicle and helps the consumer ensure that the tyres that he / she is choosing or the tyres that are being recommended by a retailer are the correct and legal tyre for their respective vehicle.
-- Edited by Dickodownunder on Tuesday 20th of November 2018 07:50:10 PM
G'day Doug
I refuse to pay extra for those 'name' brands like BFG, Bridgestone etc.
Did have BFGs many moons ago and they lasted no better than anything else but cost more. So not economically worthwhile.
Have been using Khumo (AT pattern) for a while now and happy with them. Better value IMO.
Whatever you go for, ring around - some good savings to be made.
I have been reading some reviews about both tyres and even though I am leaning toward the BFG quite a few people say they are not as good on wet black top. The Toyo a liitle soft so you can see my problem.
I am going to put a separate thread up so keep tuned.
Yes they are