Hi all, Happy Easter, i am wanting to install a 250 watt panel on our van but when I connect the regular it is flashing overvoltage so I wasn't game to connect to my battery bank,the reg is rated at 20 amps, the panel -max power current 8.8 amps, max voltage 30 v. Any suggestions would be appreciated. I have connected the reg exactly as I have for our 200 watt system on the house.
Whenarewethere said
04:47 PM Apr 20, 2019
Is it a 24 volt panel as 8.8 amps is about half what it would be if is was for a 12 volt setup. I get 3.9 amps from my panels, 6 x 20 watts (2 panels in series x 3 sets) or in other words 7.8 amps if the 120 watts were all in parallel. If you have a MPPT controller you should be ok.
-- Edited by Whenarewethere on Saturday 20th of April 2019 04:49:54 PM
Peter_n_Margaret said
05:19 PM Apr 20, 2019
What is the solar controller make and model?
What is the solar panel voltage?
Read the instructions.
For most controllers it is necessary to connect the batteries first, so it knows what the system voltage is.
Then connect the panels.
Cheers,
Peter
BIGWESTY said
06:00 PM Apr 20, 2019
thank you.
Peter_n_Margaret said
07:36 PM Apr 20, 2019
BIGWESTY wrote:
thank you.
If you actually want some assistance, it would be a good idea to answer the basic questions asked.
Cheers,
Peter
BIGWESTY said
09:02 AM Apr 21, 2019
I got the assistance I asked for (from you) and I thanked you , what more do you need.
T1 Terry said
02:08 PM Apr 23, 2019
BIGWESTY wrote:
I got the assistance I asked for (from you) and I thanked you , what more do you need.
:lol: It can be a bit like that here, they want to gloat in your mistakes or something.
I think Peter has nailed it though, the panel voltage is too high for the controller to handle. By connecting the battery first, it can switch the panel straight through to the battery and that will hold the voltage down close to battery voltage. The problem will arise when the battery reaches closer to the upper charged voltage level. At this point the controller will start turning the panel off/on/off/on in an attempt to control the voltage at the battery. If the off is long enough for the panel to reach its full open circuit voltage, this is likely to be higher than the controller is designed to handle, so the over voltage error will trip again.
The fix would be to either find a controller that can handle the open circuit voltage of the panel, or a panel with a lower open circuit voltage that is within the range of the controller.
T1 Terry
Jaahn said
06:40 PM Apr 23, 2019
Hi Bigwesty
I do not believe Peter wanted to gloat in your mistakes or anything like that. In fact perhaps he, like myself and Whenarewethere all think that you have a panel which might be badly matched to a 12V battery with a PWM regulator. But seeing it is too difficult to give the information we will not bother any more. Terry might have said that a MPPT regulator would do the job Ok but he refuses to.
Perhaps you have a 24V battery so it is OK. Forget my suggestions.
Cheers Jaahn
-- Edited by Jaahn on Wednesday 24th of April 2019 08:19:00 AM
T1 Terry said
12:22 PM Apr 24, 2019
Did you have a bad Easter Jaahn, no easter eggs or something? The last line of my posts mentions either a regulator/controller that can handle the open circuit voltage, or a panel that is within the voltage limits of the controller/regulator.
You seem to give a lot of credit to all MPPT controllers that they don't deserve, a lot can't handle more than 28v for charging a 12v battery, this includes the CTek dual DC to DC and solar MPPT controller, I think its limit is 23v.
Perhaps a bit of caution with the gung-ho MPPT recommendations, maybe specific makes and models might save members running off and buying the wrong piece of equipment.
T1 Terry
Jaahn said
04:05 PM Apr 24, 2019
Hmmm
Perhaps I should put in a Disclaimer Terry
While Jaahn makes every effort to ensure that things he says on this site are accurate to the best of his knowledge, such material does in no way constitute the provision of professional advice. Jaahn does not guarantee, and accepts no legal liability whatsoever arising from or connected to, the accuracy, reliability, currency or completeness of any material contained on this website or any linked site. Users should seek appropriate independent professional advice prior to relying on, or entering into any commitment based on material published here by Jaahn or indeed anyone else, which material is purely published for reference purposes alone. You should read any and all instructions and specifications of all equipment that you use to establish they are suitable for the use you intend for them.
Cheers Jaahn
-- Edited by Jaahn on Wednesday 24th of April 2019 04:07:50 PM
T1 Terry said
08:32 PM Apr 24, 2019
I wonder if I can abbreviate that enough to fit in my signature line Jaahn. if I just added it to each post I'd be in trouble for long posts.
Probably easier not to attack if you want to avoid any retaliation .......
T1 Terry
Extraordinary Rendition said
08:53 PM Apr 24, 2019
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T1 Terry said
05:28 PM Apr 25, 2019
One of the most common misunderstandings I have come across at this yrs Stone The Crows, is that solar panels are not like and other power source. Where a battery charger has difficulty getting the current it has available through undersized wiring, the output voltage will increase. This doesn't happen with solar panels, unless there is a clear path for the current to flow to the battery, it just doesn't put any current out past a certain voltage.
When we explained about measuring the voltage at the output of the solar panel and comparing it to the battery voltage while the it should be charging and the max difference should be 1v if a PWM controller was used, they had difficulty understanding that measuring the voltage at the input side of the solar controller would give exactly the same readings ....
T1 Terry
Extraordinary Rendition said
07:49 PM Apr 25, 2019
T1 Terry... oh dont you just find it such a bore! ... these common misconceptions.. best way to deal with this is to explain to the flock how to visualise an electron. Not one in the city you understand. In the realms of free camping a proper Australian outback electron. Actually I required an electron in Tennant Creek whilst roughing it. I still have that electron in my off grid habitat.
I don't find that the Cheap and Cheerfull electrons I have purchased off flea bay perform as well as the electrons that have been pontificated over by grey beards with an immense breadth and depth of experience.
I am on the lookout for a replenishment of my supply of electrons. But I am not sure how many to acquire. Is there some White Knight expert that can recommend a supplier of reliable electrons? How many do I need to get back to where I need to be? I am told by my wife's boyfriend that about 2.7 E56 would be a bare minimum and he knows where an only slightly used electron can be got for .00001 of a Vietnamese Dollar. Is this a good deal?
Jaahn said
09:15 AM Apr 26, 2019
Extraordinary Rendition wrote:
T1 Terry... oh dont you just find it such a bore! ... these common misconceptions.. best way to deal with this is to explain to the flock how to visualise an electron. Not one in the city you understand. In the realms of free camping a proper Australian outback electron. Actually I required an electron in Tennant Creek whilst roughing it. I still have that electron in my off grid habitat. I don't find that the Cheap and Cheerfull electrons I have purchased off flea bay perform as well as the electrons that have been pontificated over by grey beards with an immense breadth and depth of experience. I am on the lookout for a replenishment of my supply of electrons. But I am not sure how many to acquire. Is there some White Knight expert that can recommend a supplier of reliable electrons? How many do I need to get back to where I need to be? I am told by my wife's boyfriend that about 2.7 E56 would be a bare minimum and he knows where an only slightly used electron can be got for .00001 of a Vietnamese Dollar. Is this a good deal?
Hi Hanna
Perhaps I could give you some of my disclaimer to put on your posts. Just put your name in the boxes.
{ _______ } does not guarantee, and accepts no legal liability whatsoever arising from or connected to, the accuracy, reliability, currency or completeness of any material contained on this website. Users should seek appropriate independent professional advice prior to relying on, or entering into any commitment based on material published here by { ________ } which material is purely published for { ????? } purposes alone.
Jaahn
oldtrack123 said
08:48 PM Apr 28, 2019
T1 Terry wrote:
One of the most common misunderstandings I have come across at this yrs Stone The Crows, is that solar panels are not like and other power source. Where a battery charger has difficulty getting the current it has available through undersized wiring, the output voltage will increase. This doesn't happen with solar panels, unless there is a clear path for the current to flow to the battery, it just doesn't put any current out past a certain voltage. When we explained about measuring the voltage at the output of the solar panel and comparing it to the battery voltage while the it should be charging and the max difference should be 1v if a PWM controller was used, they had difficulty understanding that measuring the voltage at the input side of the solar controller would give exactly the same readings ....
T1 Terry
The electrical theory according to T1
Now explain the different types of power sources.
Constant potential,
Constant current
& all the variations in between
Including one where the voltage actually rises as the current increases
-- Edited by oldtrack123 on Sunday 28th of April 2019 08:53:52 PM
Is it a 24 volt panel as 8.8 amps is about half what it would be if is was for a 12 volt setup. I get 3.9 amps from my panels, 6 x 20 watts (2 panels in series x 3 sets) or in other words 7.8 amps if the 120 watts were all in parallel. If you have a MPPT controller you should be ok.
-- Edited by Whenarewethere on Saturday 20th of April 2019 04:49:54 PM
What is the solar panel voltage?
Read the instructions.
For most controllers it is necessary to connect the batteries first, so it knows what the system voltage is.
Then connect the panels.
Cheers,
Peter
thank you.
If you actually want some assistance, it would be a good idea to answer the basic questions asked.
Cheers,
Peter
I got the assistance I asked for (from you) and I thanked you , what more do you need.
:lol: It can be a bit like that here, they want to gloat in your mistakes or something.
I think Peter has nailed it though, the panel voltage is too high for the controller to handle. By connecting the battery first, it can switch the panel straight through to the battery and that will hold the voltage down close to battery voltage. The problem will arise when the battery reaches closer to the upper charged voltage level. At this point the controller will start turning the panel off/on/off/on in an attempt to control the voltage at the battery. If the off is long enough for the panel to reach its full open circuit voltage, this is likely to be higher than the controller is designed to handle, so the over voltage error will trip again.
The fix would be to either find a controller that can handle the open circuit voltage of the panel, or a panel with a lower open circuit voltage that is within the range of the controller.
T1 Terry
Hi Bigwesty
I do not believe Peter wanted to gloat in your mistakes or anything like that. In fact perhaps he, like myself and Whenarewethere all think that you have a panel which might be badly matched to a 12V battery with a PWM regulator. But seeing it is too difficult to give the information we will not bother any more. Terry might have said that a MPPT regulator would do the job Ok but he refuses to.
Perhaps you have a 24V battery so it is OK. Forget my suggestions.
Cheers Jaahn
-- Edited by Jaahn on Wednesday 24th of April 2019 08:19:00 AM
You seem to give a lot of credit to all MPPT controllers that they don't deserve, a lot can't handle more than 28v for charging a 12v battery, this includes the CTek dual DC to DC and solar MPPT controller, I think its limit is 23v.
Perhaps a bit of caution with the gung-ho MPPT recommendations, maybe specific makes and models might save members running off and buying the wrong piece of equipment.
T1 Terry
Hmmm
Perhaps I should put in a Disclaimer Terry
While Jaahn makes every effort to ensure that things he says on this site are accurate to the best of his knowledge, such material does in no way constitute the provision of professional advice. Jaahn does not guarantee, and accepts no legal liability whatsoever arising from or connected to, the accuracy, reliability, currency or completeness of any material contained on this website or any linked site. Users should seek appropriate independent professional advice prior to relying on, or entering into any commitment based on material published here by Jaahn or indeed anyone else, which material is purely published for reference purposes alone. You should read any and all instructions and specifications of all equipment that you use to establish they are suitable for the use you intend for them.
Cheers Jaahn
-- Edited by Jaahn on Wednesday 24th of April 2019 04:07:50 PM
Probably easier not to attack if you want to avoid any retaliation .......
T1 Terry
When we explained about measuring the voltage at the output of the solar panel and comparing it to the battery voltage while the it should be charging and the max difference should be 1v if a PWM controller was used, they had difficulty understanding that measuring the voltage at the input side of the solar controller would give exactly the same readings ....
T1 Terry
Hi Hanna
Perhaps I could give you some of my disclaimer to put on your posts. Just put your name in the boxes.
{ _______ } does not guarantee, and accepts no legal liability whatsoever arising from or connected to, the accuracy, reliability, currency or completeness of any material contained on this website. Users should seek appropriate independent professional advice prior to relying on, or entering into any commitment based on material published here by { ________ } which material is purely published for { ????? } purposes alone.
Jaahn
The electrical theory according to T1
Now explain the different types of power sources.
Constant potential,
Constant current
& all the variations in between
Including one where the voltage actually rises as the current increases
-- Edited by oldtrack123 on Sunday 28th of April 2019 08:53:52 PM