For these purposes probably better off with some good old tried & tested lead acid batteries.
In a previous life I used a 20 year old battery 1 tonne forklift, it just kept going & going & could lift about 1.1T. The abuse it copped was ridiculous. It only ever got charged when it was flat which was about every third day.
Management got rid of it in the end only because they were now leasing all the equipment.
T1 Terry said
03:49 PM Nov 1, 2019
Did you see the date of the article, 2016 and US related not Australia. So I thought I might have a look at some of the other articles on the same site, check out this one notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2019/10/28/renewable-energys-inconvenient-truth/ then look at who put the article out, A detailed critique of renewable energy in OilPrice.com: ..... seriously, they wouldn't be at all bias in their reporting would they :roll:
there are so many wack job fake news sites out there in interweb land you can find anything to support what ever barrow you want to push.
Knight has been fairly obvious about what is in the barrow he is pushing, so anything posted by Knight needs to be double checked to see if it is for real or just another wack job fake news site.
There is this Australian article by solaechoice back in 2017, a yr after the Knight article www.solarchoice.net.au/blog/tesla-powerwall-2-australia and one of the obvious points in the Knight article nit picks a Powerwall model we don't actually use in Australia, we use the bigger Powerwall2AC (no DC model brought into the country).
Now they are talking about a Powerwall3, but we all know how flexible "Elon Musk time" can be, so who knows when it will actually appear on the Australian market.
I'm certainly not backing Tesla or Powerwall for any sort of financial gain, they are the opposition and as far as I'm concerned, over priced, but I just wanted to point out the the article Knight posted is far from being based on anything factual when it comes to the Australian market and the product sold by Tesla in Australia.
T1 Terry
Knight said
02:38 PM Nov 2, 2019
"What is your problem Terry, I am noticing a pattern with your attacks against me, and I don't appreciate your rudeness.
"Knight has been fairly obvious about what is in the barrow he is pushing, so anything posted by Knight needs to be double checked to see if it is for real or just another wack job fake news site."
-- Edited by Knight on Saturday 2nd of November 2019 02:41:30 PM
-- Edited by Knight on Saturday 2nd of November 2019 02:42:55 PM
-- Edited by Knight on Saturday 2nd of November 2019 02:48:31 PM
T1 Terry said
02:51 PM Nov 2, 2019
I just hate twisted one sided articles being paraded out as being factual and I'll shine a spot light on them and the person pushing that one sided view when ever I see it. If you consider my shining the spot light on your agenda as rude and an attack, could it be that I see your choice of fake news reporting offensive and react to such blatant mis-information being spread?
I still think you have a commercial interest is pushing this barrow or fake news, it can't be just a person view surely ....
T1 Terry
T1 Terry said
02:56 PM Nov 2, 2019
Knight wrote:
"What is your problem Terry, I am noticing a pattern with your attacks against me, and I don't appreciate your rudeness.
"Knight has been fairly obvious about what is in the barrow he is pushing, so anything posted by Knight needs to be double checked to see if it is for real or just another wack job fake news site."
-- Edited by Knight on Saturday 2nd of November 2019 02:41:30 PM
-- Edited by Knight on Saturday 2nd of November 2019 02:42:55 PM
-- Edited by Knight on Saturday 2nd of November 2019 02:48:31 PM
Hmmm.... it appears I will have to start quoting your posts, 3 edits while I was writing a reply including deleting a post completely and rewording the remaining post ...
T1 Terry
Knight said
03:47 PM Nov 2, 2019
If anybody is interested an engineer's Australian blog on the warranty situation;
-- Edited by Knight on Saturday 2nd of November 2019 03:47:29 PM
It's dated 13 July 2016, hardly a "new-powerwall-warranty" reference is it?
T1 Terry
Knight said
05:26 PM Nov 2, 2019
T1 Terry wrote:
Did you see the date of the article, 2016 and US related not Australia. So I thought I might have a look at some of the other articles on the same site, check out this one notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2019/10/28/renewable-energys-inconvenient-truth/ then look at who put the article out, A detailed critique of renewable energy in OilPrice.com: ..... seriously, they wouldn't be at all bias in their reporting would they :roll: there are so many wack job fake news sites out there in interweb land you can find anything to support what ever barrow you want to push. Knight has been fairly obvious about what is in the barrow he is pushing, so anything posted by Knight needs to be double checked to see if it is for real or just another wack job fake news site. There is this Australian article by solaechoice back in 2017, a yr after the Knight article www.solarchoice.net.au/blog/tesla-powerwall-2-australia and one of the obvious points in the Knight article nit picks a Powerwall model we don't actually use in Australia, we use the bigger Powerwall2AC (no DC model brought into the country). Now they are talking about a Powerwall3, but we all know how flexible "Elon Musk time" can be, so who knows when it will actually appear on the Australian market. I'm certainly not backing Tesla or Powerwall for any sort of financial gain, they are the opposition and as far as I'm concerned, over priced, but I just wanted to point out the the article Knight posted is far from being based on anything factual when it comes to the Australian market and the product sold by Tesla in Australia.
T1 Terry
T1 Terry said
06:20 PM Nov 2, 2019
No idea what you are trying to indicate there Knight, but my point is, news articles from 2016 about a superseded product are hardly relevant to the state of affairs as we near the end of 2019.
If you have date relevant articles about current products in Australia from a non bias source, that will actually have some substance to the points you are trying to make.
I'm quite happy for you to rubbish Tesla, but do it with relevant articles that can stand up to a bit of closer scrutiny. You can rubbish my wife's business warranties and support if you want, but do it with genuine information that you have check the validity before you post it anywhere ..........
T1 Terry
Knight said
09:35 AM Nov 3, 2019
More interesting information, and check the second part too ...
-- Edited by Knight on Sunday 3rd of November 2019 09:36:58 AM
Tony Bev said
06:59 PM Nov 4, 2019
I am not in a position to want or research, a Tesla Powerwall battery
As I try to travel six months of the year, with solar already on my house roof, I really have no need of a large household battery As the real estate roof of my motorhome, will not accommodate a lot of solar, I have no need of large batteries while travelling
I have come across this article below, dated 9th April 2018 I will assume that Choice, is a responsible organisation
In summery (for those who do not wish to click on links), this is the gent who purchased the first Tesla Powerwall in Australia, (smaller than the current Powerwall 2) battery Below is a copy and paste from that article
Almost 90% saved on electricity bills by the first Tesla Powerwall owner
Annual bills dropped by $2000, projecting a pay-off time within a decade
Surging electricity prices will lead to battery installs increasing by more than 50%
This article indicates to me, a non techie, that household batteries, are a thing of the future
Whenarewethere said
07:32 PM Nov 4, 2019
Maybe what will happen in the future is the network connection will dramatically increase.
One will need to think very carefully if you can go it alone.
Maybe emperor Mo will force us to connect to the grid & use coal.
T1 Terry said
03:44 PM Nov 5, 2019
Tony Bev wrote:
I am not in a position to want or research, a Tesla Powerwall battery
As I try to travel six months of the year, with solar already on my house roof, I really have no need of a large household battery As the real estate roof of my motorhome, will not accommodate a lot of solar, I have no need of large batteries while travelling
I have come across this article below, dated 9th April 2018 I will assume that Choice, is a responsible organisation
In summery (for those who do not wish to click on links), this is the gent who purchased the first Tesla Powerwall in Australia, (smaller than the current Powerwall 2) battery Below is a copy and paste from that article
Almost 90% saved on electricity bills by the first Tesla Powerwall owner
Annual bills dropped by $2000, projecting a pay-off time within a decade
Surging electricity prices will lead to battery installs increasing by more than 50%
This article indicates to me, a non techie, that household batteries, are a thing of the future
It relates to the ever increasing grid voltage resulting in household solar inverters actually switch off or winding back during the good solar output periods.
By linking a battery directly to the solar feed, any power the grid can't take will be stored in the battery until the grid voltage drops to the point it can be again fed into the grid. This could be around the time the sun goes down yet household energy requirements are peaking, if you aren't using it yourself and saving paying the high price to buy it from the grid, you could be selling it to the grid long after everyone else has stopped. The end result is more income for electricity you should have been paid for if the grid worked properly, or some of the free power there for you to use rather than buying it in at more than twice the price you were paid for it. You have to keep in mind, you will pay GST for power you bought as well as power you sold, but you don't pay any for the power you produced and stored for personal use ....
Going, going, going ..........
Warranty being degraded;
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2016/07/02/teslas-incredible-shrinking-powerwall-warranty/
For these purposes probably better off with some good old tried & tested lead acid batteries.
In a previous life I used a 20 year old battery 1 tonne forklift, it just kept going & going & could lift about 1.1T. The abuse it copped was ridiculous. It only ever got charged when it was flat which was about every third day.
Management got rid of it in the end only because they were now leasing all the equipment.
there are so many wack job fake news sites out there in interweb land you can find anything to support what ever barrow you want to push.
Knight has been fairly obvious about what is in the barrow he is pushing, so anything posted by Knight needs to be double checked to see if it is for real or just another wack job fake news site.
There is this Australian article by solaechoice back in 2017, a yr after the Knight article www.solarchoice.net.au/blog/tesla-powerwall-2-australia and one of the obvious points in the Knight article nit picks a Powerwall model we don't actually use in Australia, we use the bigger Powerwall2AC (no DC model brought into the country).
Now they are talking about a Powerwall3, but we all know how flexible "Elon Musk time" can be, so who knows when it will actually appear on the Australian market.
I'm certainly not backing Tesla or Powerwall for any sort of financial gain, they are the opposition and as far as I'm concerned, over priced, but I just wanted to point out the the article Knight posted is far from being based on anything factual when it comes to the Australian market and the product sold by Tesla in Australia.
T1 Terry
"What is your problem Terry, I am noticing a pattern with your attacks against me, and I don't appreciate your rudeness.
"Knight has been fairly obvious about what is in the barrow he is pushing, so anything posted by Knight needs to be double checked to see if it is for real or just another wack job fake news site."
-- Edited by Knight on Saturday 2nd of November 2019 02:41:30 PM
-- Edited by Knight on Saturday 2nd of November 2019 02:42:55 PM
-- Edited by Knight on Saturday 2nd of November 2019 02:48:31 PM
I still think you have a commercial interest is pushing this barrow or fake news, it can't be just a person view surely ....
T1 Terry
Hmmm.... it appears I will have to start quoting your posts, 3 edits while I was writing a reply including deleting a post completely and rewording the remaining post ...
T1 Terry
If anybody is interested an engineer's Australian blog on the warranty situation;
www.solarquotes.com.au/blog/new-powerwall-warranty/
-- Edited by Knight on Saturday 2nd of November 2019 03:47:29 PM
It's dated 13 July 2016, hardly a "new-powerwall-warranty" reference is it?
T1 Terry
If you have date relevant articles about current products in Australia from a non bias source, that will actually have some substance to the points you are trying to make.
I'm quite happy for you to rubbish Tesla, but do it with relevant articles that can stand up to a bit of closer scrutiny. You can rubbish my wife's business warranties and support if you want, but do it with genuine information that you have check the validity before you post it anywhere ..........
T1 Terry
More interesting information, and check the second part too ...
www.solarquotes.com.au/battery-storage/comparison-table/
https://www.solarquotes.com.au/battery-storage/buying-a-system/
-- Edited by Knight on Sunday 3rd of November 2019 09:36:58 AM
I am not in a position to want or research, a Tesla Powerwall battery
As I try to travel six months of the year, with solar already on my house roof, I really have no need of a large household battery
As the real estate roof of my motorhome, will not accommodate a lot of solar, I have no need of large batteries while travelling
I have come across this article below, dated 9th April 2018
I will assume that Choice, is a responsible organisation
https://www.choice.com.au/home-improvement/energy-saving/solar/articles/living-with-the-tesla-powerwall-for-a-year
In summery (for those who do not wish to click on links), this is the gent who purchased the first Tesla Powerwall in Australia, (smaller than the current Powerwall 2) battery
Below is a copy and paste from that article
This article indicates to me, a non techie, that household batteries, are a thing of the future
Maybe what will happen in the future is the network connection will dramatically increase.
One will need to think very carefully if you can go it alone.
Maybe emperor Mo will force us to connect to the grid & use coal.
The part missed by most is covered in an article here https://www.solarquotes.com.au/blog/voltage-rise-solar/?utm_campaign=sq_news_weekly&utm_content=191105%20weekly%20newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_source=getresponse
It relates to the ever increasing grid voltage resulting in household solar inverters actually switch off or winding back during the good solar output periods.
By linking a battery directly to the solar feed, any power the grid can't take will be stored in the battery until the grid voltage drops to the point it can be again fed into the grid. This could be around the time the sun goes down yet household energy requirements are peaking, if you aren't using it yourself and saving paying the high price to buy it from the grid, you could be selling it to the grid long after everyone else has stopped. The end result is more income for electricity you should have been paid for if the grid worked properly, or some of the free power there for you to use rather than buying it in at more than twice the price you were paid for it. You have to keep in mind, you will pay GST for power you bought as well as power you sold, but you don't pay any for the power you produced and stored for personal use ....
T1 Terry