Yesterday I saw a BT50 (new) set up to tow a little van, little and light, and yes a WDH. he would have to keep looking in the rear view to know he was towing anything. I have seen a few but that took the cake.
PetenSue said
06:02 PM Nov 8, 2019
Yes Ian I know what you mean. A while ago I seen a very decked out Nissan patrol with a Chinese camper trailer on the back. And yes a wdh. I guess grand dad has one on his falcon. !! Regards Pete
PetenSue said
07:25 PM Nov 8, 2019
So I just read another thread started by you. Boredom!! What better way to relieve boredom than start a wdh thread ?? Regards Pete. Yeah the popcorn will be flowing shortly. And I dont use one.
iana said
08:37 PM Nov 8, 2019
You guessed it, caught out again! Dam.
I remember when I first joined this forum, there was plenty of friendly (and not so) banter, with persons being sent to the naughty room on a regular basis. Now its all gone quiet.
yobarr said
09:52 PM Nov 8, 2019
iana wrote:
You guessed it, caught out again! Dam. I remember when I first joined this forum, there was plenty of friendly (and not so) banter, with persons being sent to the naughty room on a regular basis. Now its all gone quiet.
Dont be too worried Ian! It never hurts to have people read about the WDHs,where some may discover that a WDH is often next to useless. They often are used by people who are trying to make a car do things for which it was not designed.Firstly,they increase TBO ( Towball overhang,or distance from rear axle to hitchpoint),and many of them weigh upwards of 25kg.These two things dramatically increase the weight applied to your car's rear axle when a van is hooked up,exacerbating the very "problem" some are trying to fix.Then you get those people who have no idea how a WDH works,or indeed how to operate one.A WDH does NOT change towball weight,but shifts some weight from a car's rear axle,and puts it back onto the car's front axle, but it also transfers weight to your van's axle group.If you already are running close to your van's maximum GTM,or indeed GVM,this transfer of weight can cause the van to be overloaded,and illegal.If the WDH is tightened too much,it may remove too much weight from the car's rear axle, making it lighter and encouraging oversteer. Buy a suitable car and forget the WDH.....I run at 6800kg GCM,legal on all axles,and no WDH.Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Friday 8th of November 2019 09:56:34 PM
iana said
10:21 PM Nov 8, 2019
It really is about time we stopped talking about weight and spoke of "Moments" which is weight x distance from a fulcrum point. Once persons realize the effect of moments on their rig the story would be different. For instance our van a Jayco Silverline is for once a very balanced unit. When we brought it, it was not, but I have moved the 2nd water tank from way up forward to just behind the rear of the suspension, and placed the grey water tank up the middle between the suspension. Because ours have the recliner chairs up front, the club lounge is gone, so no storage except for the front boot. the Kitchen, is just forward of the axle center, batteries over the axles, the fridge just forward, and the water storage over the axles as well. In other words the weight is centered just forward of the axle center, and it tows really well.
The point is that the weight is there, but very little distance, the moments are low.
I had a chat to a fellow who was selling his WDH as he had replaced it with a bit of fancy anti sway gear, saying this new van tows like a bitch, compared to his traded in one, I noticed that it had storage at both ends of the van, water tanks up front etc. etc. In other words the moments were bad.
I don't use a WDH either, the van tows nicely and the rig sits level. But I do not for one moment say that they are not necessary, but depends entirely on the rig, and should be considered accordingly. How ever the rig I saw was taking it to the extreme.
Rob Driver said
08:46 AM Nov 9, 2019
PetenSue wrote:
So I just read another thread started by you. Boredom!! What better way to relieve boredom than start a wdh thread ?? Regards Pete. Yeah the popcorn will be flowing shortly. And I dont use one.
Hahaha It will certainly relieve the boredom but when this topic runs its course or gets locked then Iana may want to start one on Lithium, MPPT, Solar or the use of the current range of utes for towing.
Regards
Rob
PetenSue said
09:42 AM Nov 9, 2019
bentaxlebabe wrote:
PetenSue wrote:
So I just read another thread started by you. Boredom!! What better way to relieve boredom than start a wdh thread ?? Regards Pete. Yeah the popcorn will be flowing shortly. And I dont use one.
Hahaha It will certainly relieve the boredom but when this topic runs its course or gets locked then Iana may want to start one on Lithium, MPPT, Solar or the use of the current range of utes for towing.
Regards
Rob
Hey Rob, you forgot generators !!!
Rob Driver said
10:01 AM Nov 9, 2019
PetenSue wrote:
bentaxlebabe wrote:
PetenSue wrote:
So I just read another thread started by you. Boredom!! What better way to relieve boredom than start a wdh thread ?? Regards Pete. Yeah the popcorn will be flowing shortly. And I dont use one.
Hahaha It will certainly relieve the boredom but when this topic runs its course or gets locked then Iana may want to start one on Lithium, MPPT, Solar or the use of the current range of utes for towing.
Regards
Rob
Hey Rob, you forgot generators !!!
So I did Peter I am sure someone will give us a run down of the best and worst types to buy, or even if we actually need one with a solar set up.
Regards
Rob
PetenSue said
11:08 AM Nov 9, 2019
bentaxlebabe wrote:
PetenSue wrote:
bentaxlebabe wrote:
PetenSue wrote:
So I just read another thread started by you. Boredom!! What better way to relieve boredom than start a wdh thread ?? Regards Pete. Yeah the popcorn will be flowing shortly. And I dont use one.
Hahaha It will certainly relieve the boredom but when this topic runs its course or gets locked then Iana may want to start one on Lithium, MPPT, Solar or the use of the current range of utes for towing.
Regards
Rob
Hey Rob, you forgot generators !!!
So I did Peter I am sure someone will give us a run down of the best and worst types to buy, or even if we actually need one with a solar set up.
Hahaha Peter, I saw what you did there. Well at least in the other topic.
Regards
Rob
STRETCH ARMSTRONG said
01:22 PM Nov 9, 2019
PetenSue don't you have a generator like that? I thought it was mandatory equipment.
PetenSue said
01:56 PM Nov 9, 2019
Yes stretch. In my line of wor worr work sorry occupation, you dont leave home without one of these. From hard facing cutter bar edges to running the air conditioning in the donger every night, these old girls are invaluable. The boss pays for the fuel so why worry!! Regards Pete
Craig1 said
07:51 PM Nov 9, 2019
Thermos anyone?
yobarr said
09:33 AM Nov 10, 2019
STRETCH ARMSTRONG wrote:
PetenSue don't you have a generator like that? I thought it was mandatory equipment.
At 760kg you'd need a separate trailer (or an LC ute) to carry it......but I believe that Pete has a 79? Cheers
dogbox said
02:41 PM Nov 10, 2019
iana wrote:
You guessed it, caught out again! Dam.
I remember when I first joined this forum, there was plenty of friendly (and not so) banter, with persons being sent to the naughty room on a regular basis. Now its all gone quiet.
I think you might find dougwe has the key to the naughty room
Valkie said
07:24 PM Nov 12, 2019
Im a little concerned about all this talk of Well Damn Hung on this forum.
Yesterday I saw a BT50 (new) set up to tow a little van, little and light, and yes a WDH. he would have to keep looking in the rear view to know he was towing anything. I have seen a few but that took the cake.
I remember when I first joined this forum, there was plenty of friendly (and not so) banter, with persons being sent to the naughty room on a regular basis. Now its all gone quiet.
Dont be too worried Ian! It never hurts to have people read about the WDHs,where some may discover that a WDH is often next to useless. They often are used by people who are trying to make a car do things for which it was not designed.Firstly,they increase TBO ( Towball overhang,or distance from rear axle to hitchpoint),and many of them weigh upwards of 25kg.These two things dramatically increase the weight applied to your car's rear axle when a van is hooked up,exacerbating the very "problem" some are trying to fix.Then you get those people who have no idea how a WDH works,or indeed how to operate one.A WDH does NOT change towball weight,but shifts some weight from a car's rear axle,and puts it back onto the car's front axle, but it also transfers weight to your van's axle group.If you already are running close to your van's maximum GTM,or indeed GVM,this transfer of weight can cause the van to be overloaded,and illegal.If the WDH is tightened too much,it may remove too much weight from the car's rear axle, making it lighter and encouraging oversteer. Buy a suitable car and forget the WDH.....I run at 6800kg GCM,legal on all axles,and no WDH.Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Friday 8th of November 2019 09:56:34 PM
The point is that the weight is there, but very little distance, the moments are low.
I had a chat to a fellow who was selling his WDH as he had replaced it with a bit of fancy anti sway gear, saying this new van tows like a bitch, compared to his traded in one, I noticed that it had storage at both ends of the van, water tanks up front etc. etc. In other words the moments were bad.
I don't use a WDH either, the van tows nicely and the rig sits level. But I do not for one moment say that they are not necessary, but depends entirely on the rig, and should be considered accordingly. How ever the rig I saw was taking it to the extreme.
Hahaha
It will certainly relieve the boredom but when this topic runs its course or gets locked then Iana may want to start one on Lithium, MPPT, Solar or the use of the current range of utes for towing.
Regards
Rob
Hey Rob, you forgot generators !!!
So I did Peter
I am sure someone will give us a run down of the best and worst types to buy, or even if we actually need one with a solar set up. 
Regards
Rob
Thats what I call a camping generator!!!
Hahaha Peter,
I saw what you did there. Well at least in the other topic.
Regards
Rob
At 760kg you'd need a separate trailer (or an LC ute) to carry it......but I believe that Pete has a 79? Cheers
I think you might find dougwe has the key to the naughty room
Im a little concerned about all this talk of Well Damn Hung on this forum.
Or am I missing somefink?