I have to admit I have been very ignorant of my service book after being blasted by my local mechanic over not reading and taking your own responsibility for servicing. I have owned my vehicle for over 3 years with 110000 km now and have the engine oil and filter done every 10000 km even though the service book recommends every 20000 km ( which is total crap)and all services have been done only by izuzu.
That is eleven times I have been to izuzu and not one person from those dealerships have mentioned that in the back of the service book there is an interim oil change recommended for harsh driving conditions such as towing or 4 wdriving so if you got ten minutes to spare have a read .
Cheers
Mattt said
06:59 AM Oct 31, 2020
Buy very expensive, very complex thing: Check.
Don't even bother to read it's (relatively) quite short manual: Check.
Complain to others when something goes wrong with very complex thing because you didn't take 30 minutes to read the aforely-mentioned manual: Check.
Sooo.... You went to Isuzu *11* times, but never bothered to read the manual. I bought an $1100 Dyson. Read the manual a couple of times. It's a *vacuum cleaner*.
If I were one of the dealership staff, I'd not tell you about the "thing" in the manual. Because I'd strongly assume that since you bought the vehicle (guessing you did some reading at that point, no?), you've read the manual at least once.
Not only that, but you're surprised that a vehicle doing more work than others is subject to "stricter" servicing guidelines?!? You do bother to put fuel in the car, right? 'Cause pretty sure that's mentioned in the manual too (and that the guys at the stealership won't let you in on that little secret either)
What's worse - ignorance or apathy? Who knows? Who cares?
wasn_me said
07:56 AM Oct 31, 2020
I have paid the deposit on a new MUX. Waiting on a towbar.
The service intervals are 15000 klm. The salesman said to change oil & filter every 7500 klm. if towing.
Makes sense to me.
Cheers Pete
travelyounger said
08:56 AM Oct 31, 2020
Mattt wrote:
Buy very expensive, very complex thing: Check.
Don't even bother to read it's (relatively) quite short manual: Check.
Complain to others when something goes wrong with very complex thing because you didn't take 30 minutes to read the aforely-mentioned manual: Check.
Sooo.... You went to Isuzu *11* times, but never bothered to read the manual. I bought an $1100 Dyson. Read the manual a couple of times. It's a *vacuum cleaner*.
If I were one of the dealership staff, I'd not tell you about the "thing" in the manual. Because I'd strongly assume that since you bought the vehicle (guessing you did some reading at that point, no?), you've read the manual at least once.
Not only that, but you're surprised that a vehicle doing more work than others is subject to "stricter" servicing guidelines?!? You do bother to put fuel in the car, right? 'Cause pretty sure that's mentioned in the manual too (and that the guys at the stealership won't let you in on that little secret either)
What's worse - ignorance or apathy? Who knows? Who cares?
If you don't care why did you post go away and bother some one else cheers
DMaxer said
12:02 PM Oct 31, 2020
I purchased my Isuzu new in 2014 and it now has 100K on the clock. When I purchased the car the salesman enquired as to what type of use it would get and when I explained I would be towing the van he advised me to get the oil and filter changed at every 10,000 service. He explained if I was not towing then the oil is usually changed at 20,000 but any sort of extra use like hot or cold climates, towing or four wheel driving do it at 10,000.
He also advised me that as my DMax is a 5 speed manual, that I should tow in no higher gear than 4th and not to use cruise control when towing. He told me that most of his customers were either tradies or towing caravans so he gve that advice on most sales.
When I took my car in for services and explained that I wanted the oil and filter changed because I was towing they just told me that was a good idea.
I was pretty lucky that the salesman knew his product as otherwise I would have probably just dropped it off for a service and presumed they would know what to do.
Mike196 said
12:07 PM Oct 31, 2020
I had the RC model Colorado with the Isuzu engine, and I changed the oil & filter every 5000Km, cheap Inse. Also changed the fuel filter ahead of time, might be overkill, but the vehicle has just gone to it's third owner and he commented on it's condition and how good the motor is at 220,000Km.
Whenarewethere said
12:26 PM Oct 31, 2020
I have read the manual for my car. Also read the workshop manual of 2720 pages, additionally electrical manual.
On simple packaging you open the other side & push flaps right back!
Peter_n_Margaret said
12:45 PM Oct 31, 2020
I have a friend with a 2014 Fuso Canter 4WD motorhome and the scheduled services are at 30,000km.
Cheers,
Peter
Warren-Pat_01 said
03:18 PM Oct 31, 2020
In defence of travelyounger, the Isuzu Owner's manual is not a short, small easy to read book as it is quite comprehensive (you wouldn't want to drop it on a bare foot) & it has references to other segments which again lead you to other sections, etc.
And yes, I was told by Isuzu that the service periods were 15,000kms - it is only by delving further do you find the bit about heavy driving conditions.
When I took our car in for it's first service at 12,500kms, I was questioned as to why had I brought it in so early. At that stage we had towed our van about 3,000kms.
A friend with a MUX discovered that if you miss out on one of the smaller services that basically is an engine oil & filter change that would be "normally done by the dealer" (this chap does his own at 10,000kms anyway) & you take it to the dealer for the next service, they sting you for both services!! Do they change the oil & filter twice then? Or you can have the option of no more "capped service costs". I haven't checked out the cost of independents doing the services.
Unfortunately, the warranty period for my D-Max is 6 years - 6 years that they have their hands squeezing my neck! Does one take a chance on negating the warranty - I'm not that game even though I have only had one warranty issue on our 1980 Subaru Leone 4wd wagon & that was covered by the dealer 5,000kms outside the close of warranty.
With today's technologies it could be an expensive exercise to play Russian roulette with a dealer.
I'd be interested in the thoughts of others.
Aus-Kiwi said
03:21 PM Oct 31, 2020
Do the oil changes yourself . Too easy !!
Tony LEE said
03:56 PM Oct 31, 2020
Not sure why some vehicles specify synthetic oil and then want you to change it as if it was basic regular stuff. My motorhome in Germany specifies 25000km change interval, but here, I'm getting the Mazda serviced at 12000km instead of specified 10,000 and repco want to do an oil flush as well. In their dreams
As for whether independents are cheaper than dealers, Repco have managed to pad it up to more than Mazda, but once I get rid of the add-ons such as oil flush and safe-t-stop and a few dollars for wiper additive (reservoir is full) it will be significantly cheaper, but to my mind close to 300 dollars is way too much. 5 year warranty so I need to weigh up my options next timr
Yes Aus-Kiwi, I normally do but not much warranty left on most of my vehicles which are 20 to 40 years old. The Mazda is different and with roadside service included, I've ditched nrma so can use that saving to defray the service cost
Was reading a facebook post today where a new motorhome owner was saying her annual habitation inspection was 350 British pounds and that was just to maintain warranty on the living space of the motorhome.
-- Edited by Tony LEE on Saturday 31st of October 2020 04:09:51 PM
-- Edited by Tony LEE on Saturday 31st of October 2020 04:15:46 PM
Aus-Kiwi said
09:34 AM Nov 2, 2020
I keep receipt for future reference to proof its been serviced . If the warranty had nothing to with you doing oil change . They cannot blame you for the fault !! The filter , oil needs changing . Dont be brain washed to thinking no warranty if you service it yourself !
iana said
09:48 AM Nov 2, 2020
I was of the understanding, that when a diesel engine works hard, un-burnt fuel can be forced back behind the piston rings, to slightly dilute the engine oil. Notice the level on the dipstick doesn't go down. That the synthetic oil can off set this dilution, but it may reach a point where the dilution is harming the engine, hence the early oil change when the engine is working hard.
Aus-Kiwi said
09:20 AM Nov 3, 2020
Yea also to do with carbon build up in oil also . Strange part is diesels love a bit of heavy work !! Compared to one driven very short trips !! EGR is another issue depending on make & model ? Dirty oil mixs with exhaust and blocks exhaust like concrete !! So again clean oil
Helps big time !!
Noelpolar said
06:40 PM Nov 4, 2020
When towing a fair bit I just do a mid service oil change..... don't bother with filter..... so 5k oil change and major as per book (10k).... 90+% of oil changed over.
-- Edited by Noelpolar on Wednesday 4th of November 2020 06:48:34 PM
Tony LEE said
10:49 PM Nov 4, 2020
Aus-kiwi
Have to distinguish between statutory warranty - usually 12 months and pretty hard to wriggle out of - and manufacturers discretionary warranty which comes with whatever conditions they choose to impose.
I have to admit I have been very ignorant of my service book after being blasted by my local mechanic over not reading and taking your own responsibility for servicing. I have owned my vehicle for over 3 years with 110000 km now and have the engine oil and filter done every 10000 km even though the service book recommends every 20000 km ( which is total crap)and all services have been done only by izuzu.
That is eleven times I have been to izuzu and not one person from those dealerships have mentioned that in the back of the service book there is an interim oil change recommended for harsh driving conditions such as towing or 4 wdriving so if you got ten minutes to spare have a read .
Cheers
Don't even bother to read it's (relatively) quite short manual: Check.
Complain to others when something goes wrong with very complex thing because you didn't take 30 minutes to read the aforely-mentioned manual: Check.
Sooo.... You went to Isuzu *11* times, but never bothered to read the manual. I bought an $1100 Dyson. Read the manual a couple of times. It's a *vacuum cleaner*.
If I were one of the dealership staff, I'd not tell you about the "thing" in the manual. Because I'd strongly assume that since you bought the vehicle (guessing you did some reading at that point, no?), you've read the manual at least once.
Not only that, but you're surprised that a vehicle doing more work than others is subject to "stricter" servicing guidelines?!? You do bother to put fuel in the car, right? 'Cause pretty sure that's mentioned in the manual too (and that the guys at the stealership won't let you in on that little secret either)
What's worse - ignorance or apathy? Who knows? Who cares?
If you don't care why did you post go away and bother some one else cheers
I purchased my Isuzu new in 2014 and it now has 100K on the clock. When I purchased the car the salesman enquired as to what type of use it would get and when I explained I would be towing the van he advised me to get the oil and filter changed at every 10,000 service. He explained if I was not towing then the oil is usually changed at 20,000 but any sort of extra use like hot or cold climates, towing or four wheel driving do it at 10,000.
He also advised me that as my DMax is a 5 speed manual, that I should tow in no higher gear than 4th and not to use cruise control when towing. He told me that most of his customers were either tradies or towing caravans so he gve that advice on most sales.
When I took my car in for services and explained that I wanted the oil and filter changed because I was towing they just told me that was a good idea.
I was pretty lucky that the salesman knew his product as otherwise I would have probably just dropped it off for a service and presumed they would know what to do.
I had the RC model Colorado with the Isuzu engine, and I changed the oil & filter every 5000Km, cheap Inse. Also changed the fuel filter ahead of time, might be overkill, but the vehicle has just gone to it's third owner and he commented on it's condition and how good the motor is at 220,000Km.
I have read the manual for my car. Also read the workshop manual of 2720 pages, additionally electrical manual.
On simple packaging you open the other side & push flaps right back!
Cheers,
Peter
And yes, I was told by Isuzu that the service periods were 15,000kms - it is only by delving further do you find the bit about heavy driving conditions.
When I took our car in for it's first service at 12,500kms, I was questioned as to why had I brought it in so early. At that stage we had towed our van about 3,000kms.
A friend with a MUX discovered that if you miss out on one of the smaller services that basically is an engine oil & filter change that would be "normally done by the dealer" (this chap does his own at 10,000kms anyway) & you take it to the dealer for the next service, they sting you for both services!! Do they change the oil & filter twice then? Or you can have the option of no more "capped service costs". I haven't checked out the cost of independents doing the services.
Unfortunately, the warranty period for my D-Max is 6 years - 6 years that they have their hands squeezing my neck! Does one take a chance on negating the warranty - I'm not that game even though I have only had one warranty issue on our 1980 Subaru Leone 4wd wagon & that was covered by the dealer 5,000kms outside the close of warranty.
With today's technologies it could be an expensive exercise to play Russian roulette with a dealer.
I'd be interested in the thoughts of others.
Not sure why some vehicles specify synthetic oil and then want you to change it as if it was basic regular stuff. My motorhome in Germany specifies 25000km change interval, but here, I'm getting the Mazda serviced at 12000km instead of specified 10,000 and repco want to do an oil flush as well. In their dreams
As for whether independents are cheaper than dealers, Repco have managed to pad it up to more than Mazda, but once I get rid of the add-ons such as oil flush and safe-t-stop and a few dollars for wiper additive (reservoir is full) it will be significantly cheaper, but to my mind close to 300 dollars is way too much. 5 year warranty so I need to weigh up my options next timr
Yes Aus-Kiwi, I normally do but not much warranty left on most of my vehicles which are 20 to 40 years old. The Mazda is different and with roadside service included, I've ditched nrma so can use that saving to defray the service cost
Was reading a facebook post today where a new motorhome owner was saying her annual habitation inspection was 350 British pounds and that was just to maintain warranty on the living space of the motorhome.
-- Edited by Tony LEE on Saturday 31st of October 2020 04:09:51 PM
-- Edited by Tony LEE on Saturday 31st of October 2020 04:15:46 PM
Helps big time !!
When towing a fair bit I just do a mid service oil change..... don't bother with filter..... so 5k oil change and major as per book (10k).... 90+% of oil changed over.
-- Edited by Noelpolar on Wednesday 4th of November 2020 06:48:34 PM