Hi techies out there... I am looking at installing a 2600w inverter in the caravan. It will be mounted around 1mtr from the batteries. Just wondering if anyone out there, can give an approximate time on fully installation, wiring etc... I know its a big question... but just need an approximate as I dont want to be ripped off....
yobarr said
06:25 AM May 4, 2021
Branchie wrote:
Hi techies out there... I am looking at installing a 2600w inverter in the caravan. It will be mounted around 1mtr from the batteries. Just wondering if anyone out there, can give an approximate time on fully installation, wiring etc... I know its a big question... but just need an approximate as I dont want to be ripped off....
Hi Kevin. PM sent. Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Tuesday 4th of May 2021 06:26:11 AM
Colin Penrose said
09:34 AM May 4, 2021
Hi. I installed my own about 300mm from battery in about half an hour. I used 6 B&S cable direct to battery. Simple job.
Are We Lost said
10:12 AM May 4, 2021
2600 watts is a pretty big inverter for a caravan. What size battery bank do you have and what is the intended use?
The voltage drop will be quite substantial unless you have quite a large battery bank.
Whenarewethere said
10:49 AM May 4, 2021
2600 watts, so probably about 3.0kVA. 1 metre, so that's 2.0 metres + & -
250 amps:
4awg 3.0% loss
2awg 1.9% loss
1awg 1.5% loss
Are We Lost said
12:27 PM May 4, 2021
My comment about voltage drop was more about the battery's capability to supply voltage for more than a brief period, rather than the loss in the cable.
When I connect my 60 amp tyre pump to the single battery it very quickly drops below 12 volts. At 250 amps I would expect that to be almost instantly.
Whenarewethere said
06:33 PM May 4, 2021
I use a 4awg cable for my 3 compressors which use up to about a 100amps. The compressors only start using their maximum rated amps when the compressor is at its maximum pressure. In general the compressor is using about 3/4 of its rated amps.
Clamp meters are very handy for measuring all the stuff.
Possible but massively excessive without hugely thick wires and hundreds of amp hours of batteries.
The maths if you try to use the full inverters full capacity is as follows:-
(watts divided by ac volts) X (AC volts divided by DC volts) + 15% inverter inefficiency
2600 /240 = 10.8amps X 240 / 12 =20 + 15%
= (10.8 X 20) +15%
= 216 + 32
= 248
HELL YEAH! lets try and draw down 250 amps from my batteries!
Two 120AH AGM batteries will be at the recommended maximum depth of discharge inside of half an hour!
As for tyre pumps, a cheapy 150watt inverter will run my Stanley 0.5hp compressor that draws between 97 and 125 watts and is capable of 14L/min and 115psi.
-- Edited by Hylife on Thursday 6th of May 2021 10:49:15 PM
-- Edited by Hylife on Thursday 6th of May 2021 10:51:40 PM
Whenarewethere said
01:16 AM May 7, 2021
How many L/m at 90psi does the Stanley compressor do?
My setup is 261L/m free air delivery or more importantly 126L/m at 90psi, less air line, after cooler, drier & connectors inefficiencies. In other words 35 seconds per tyre about 65L volume from 20 to 35psi. The compressors are a bit ahead of what can be pushed through the valve.
I normally use it with the engine running. Alternatively I can run it off my 4 auxiliary batteries which can do 376amps (maximum) for 5 minutes or 100amp for 30 minutes.
If you draw a very large load the batteries have a smaller capacity than a smaller load over a longer period for the same overall watt/hours.
So if one is drawing 250amps off 2 batteries (125amps per battery), it's going to be painful for the batteries.
mark and kerry said
11:55 AM May 14, 2021
i was told about invertor parameters that 1 amp = 10 watts of load i thought it might help
Whenarewethere said
12:12 PM May 14, 2021
What does 1 amp relate to?
Jaahn said
01:46 PM May 14, 2021
mark and kerry wrote:
i was told about invertor parameters that 1 amp = 10 watts of load i thought it might help
Hmm Yes it is a quick rule of thumb. Putting it around the other way, if you want 10Watts then the inverter will draw 1 amp. Around about close enough !
So if you want 1000 watts it will draw 100 amps
If you watts 2600Watts then it will draw 260Amps. Close to Hylife's figures.
It sure is a big discharge from your batteries that you would want to limit time wise.
Jaahn
Whenarewethere said
02:16 PM May 14, 2021
The quicker one draws a battery down the smaller capacity it has.
My batteries
20 hour rate 26AH
10 hour rate 21AH
5 hour rate 19AH
1 hour rate 14AH
So one may have 240AH of batteries, but drawing 260amps & your batteries are effectively only 120AH.
If one can keep the load less but over a longer period your batteries will be a lot happier.
Chuck out the 2200 watt kettle & replace it with a 750 watt kettle from Birko for example.
& if possible do the heavy load stuff while there is solar input. Boil water in the middle of the day & put it in a Thermos flask for the evening.
Rusty W said
07:23 PM May 15, 2021
Just because Branchie is fitting a 2600 watt inverter doesn't mean he will use it to it's maximum. I have a 2500 watt inverter and it's main use is a 600 watt microwave. Sure it will run the A/c and the hot water system at the same time, but i don't. Sometimes I will run the ho****er system for 5 to 10 minutes just to top up a bit of heat but only when I know the solar or motors will put the power back in. Overkill ? sure but the inverter just idles along, but the extra power is there if i ever need it.
regards russell
Dicko1 said
03:33 AM May 16, 2021
Rusty W wrote:
Just because Branchie is fitting a 2600 watt inverter doesn't mean he will use it to it's maximum. I have a 2500 watt inverter and it's main use is a 600 watt microwave. Sure it will run the A/c and the hot water system at the same time, but i don't. Sometimes I will run the ho****er system for 5 to 10 minutes just to top up a bit of heat but only when I know the solar or motors will put the power back in. Overkill ? sure but the inverter just idles along, but the extra power is there if i ever need it. regards russell
Totally agree. Also for all we know he may have 4 x 120 ah lithium batteries that will handle the inverters full power easily. Original poster has not stated his battery type or Ah capacity .,,,this info would help.
Hi techies out there... I am looking at installing a 2600w inverter in the caravan. It will be mounted around 1mtr from the batteries. Just wondering if anyone out there, can give an approximate time on fully installation, wiring etc... I know its a big question... but just need an approximate as I dont want to be ripped off....
Hi Kevin. PM sent. Cheers
-- Edited by yobarr on Tuesday 4th of May 2021 06:26:11 AM
The voltage drop will be quite substantial unless you have quite a large battery bank.
2600 watts, so probably about 3.0kVA. 1 metre, so that's 2.0 metres + & -
250 amps:
4awg 3.0% loss
2awg 1.9% loss
1awg 1.5% loss
When I connect my 60 amp tyre pump to the single battery it very quickly drops below 12 volts. At 250 amps I would expect that to be almost instantly.
I use a 4awg cable for my 3 compressors which use up to about a 100amps. The compressors only start using their maximum rated amps when the compressor is at its maximum pressure. In general the compressor is using about 3/4 of its rated amps.
Clamp meters are very handy for measuring all the stuff.
Possible but massively excessive without hugely thick wires and hundreds of amp hours of batteries.
The maths if you try to use the full inverters full capacity is as follows:-
(watts divided by ac volts) X (AC volts divided by DC volts) + 15% inverter inefficiency
2600 /240 = 10.8amps X 240 / 12 =20 + 15%
= (10.8 X 20) +15%
= 216 + 32
= 248
HELL YEAH! lets try and draw down 250 amps from my batteries!
Two 120AH AGM batteries will be at the recommended maximum depth of discharge inside of half an hour!
As for tyre pumps, a cheapy 150watt inverter will run my Stanley 0.5hp compressor that draws between 97 and 125 watts and is capable of 14L/min and 115psi.
-- Edited by Hylife on Thursday 6th of May 2021 10:49:15 PM
-- Edited by Hylife on Thursday 6th of May 2021 10:51:40 PM
How many L/m at 90psi does the Stanley compressor do?
My setup is 261L/m free air delivery or more importantly 126L/m at 90psi, less air line, after cooler, drier & connectors inefficiencies. In other words 35 seconds per tyre about 65L volume from 20 to 35psi. The compressors are a bit ahead of what can be pushed through the valve.
I normally use it with the engine running. Alternatively I can run it off my 4 auxiliary batteries which can do 376amps (maximum) for 5 minutes or 100amp for 30 minutes.
If you draw a very large load the batteries have a smaller capacity than a smaller load over a longer period for the same overall watt/hours.
So if one is drawing 250amps off 2 batteries (125amps per battery), it's going to be painful for the batteries.
What does 1 amp relate to?
Hmm Yes it is a quick rule of thumb. Putting it around the other way,
if you want 10Watts then the inverter will draw 1 amp. Around about close enough !
So if you want 1000 watts it will draw 100 amps
If you watts 2600Watts then it will draw 260Amps. Close to Hylife's figures.
It sure is a big discharge from your batteries that you would want to limit time wise.
Jaahn
The quicker one draws a battery down the smaller capacity it has.
My batteries
20 hour rate 26AH
10 hour rate 21AH
5 hour rate 19AH
1 hour rate 14AH
So one may have 240AH of batteries, but drawing 260amps & your batteries are effectively only 120AH.
If one can keep the load less but over a longer period your batteries will be a lot happier.
Chuck out the 2200 watt kettle & replace it with a 750 watt kettle from Birko for example.
& if possible do the heavy load stuff while there is solar input. Boil water in the middle of the day & put it in a Thermos flask for the evening.
regards russell
Totally agree. Also for all we know he may have 4 x 120 ah lithium batteries that will handle the inverters full power easily. Original poster has not stated his battery type or Ah capacity .,,,this info would help.