Is it any coincidence that the original Covid ship landing on our shores was the Ruby Princess and now with everything up and running again with cruising we have another one docked here again under similar circumstances being the Coral Princess.
Does this indicate that there may be a problem with the Princess Line, considering it is the majority of the staff on board that have the Covid.
86GTS said
08:53 AM Jul 13, 2022
The cruise company said that this is the new normal for cruisers.
I think that I'll stick to caravaning, at least I won't be stuck in a pokey cabin peering out of a porthole.
peter67 said
10:55 AM Jul 13, 2022
Floating petri dishes.
Whenarewethere said
11:12 AM Jul 13, 2022
One in 20 cruise ships pre Covid had a gastric outbreak. Just another contagious issue. They have enough freezer capacity.
Cupie said
03:48 PM Jul 13, 2022
I saw an interview with a retired guy who , I think, had been on that ship and he stated that he had 6, yes six, cruises booked for the next 12 months.
We have only done one overnight cruise from Italy to Greece & enjoyed it but we don't think that we could handle extended trips.
86GTS said
05:00 PM Jul 13, 2022
Cupie wrote:
I saw an interview with a retired guy who , I think, had been on that ship and he stated that he had 6, yes six, cruises booked for the next 12 months.
We have only done one overnight cruise from Italy to Greece & enjoyed it but we don't think that we could handle extended trips.
Was he single, he could fancy his chances with a few elderly ladies.
Ivan 01 said
07:57 AM Jul 14, 2022
I believe from news reports it was an *honour system* if a anyone was Covid Negative when they left the ship to tour Sydney for the day.
My opinion is that human nature takes over in a lot of these situations whereby the Sydney port is their last visit before termination in Brisbane the following day so to get the most out of the cruise why wouldnt someone want to disembark and make the most of their cruise and the money they paid for it.
Now I know that this is a forum based around travel and the lifestyle of possibly older people so we should be respectful of those who may want to cruise the high seas and as such we should be respectful of those travellers. They have the same enjoyment and expectations as those wanting to maybe travel on the Ghan
Although not able to comment as I was watching SOO and not on the forum it was brought up in a locked topic that some on here promote breaking the law and a raft of other misdemeanours
It was also mentioned that many who are normally vocal are not commenting last night, and it was probably all for the same reason. SOO.
I know that at times I might rub some people the wrong way but in most cases the truth is not what they want to hear. They want me to say what they want to hear. Again this is human nature.
Anyway I have spent an hour or so going back through my posts to see if I have suggested that anyone break the law so to speak, and up until now I cant say that this has been the case.
Lets get back to the topic of the cruise ship.
Wouldnt it be feasible to suggest that some people on here are antivaxers and some people on here would argue that it is their right to leave the ship or go to Coles or anywhere else if they so wish.
Wouldnt it be feasible that those same people decline wearing a mask and a percentage of them recommend to others not to wear a mask either.
Isnt this the same as a suggestion of someone doing something which may not be quite lawful. It is arguably just as dangerous.
Should we all jump on *trailer sailer* because he visits a winery, has a drink and then *tacks * his way back to a mooring or ridicule the bloke because he didnt cross his safety chains or he did exceed the speed limit to pass a road train and so on and so on. If true, these actions arent safe but will this forum ever prevent it happening.? I dont think so.
I think that because of the absolute lack of security with Covid on at least this line of cruise ship that no one should be permitted to disembark if Covid is present with anyone on board.
The report was that in excess of 100 staff had the disease which possibly indicates that the employer had no control in place regarding checks and vaccinations of employees.
Did this occur because maybe the employer did not come under the jurisdiction of Australian regulations.
I might suggest that people leave a forum because they move on or they dont agree with views or that they go on a cruise to escape the world and its troubles.
Happy Cruising, Sailing, Train travelling, or god forbid, Caravanning.
Plain Truth said
10:19 AM Jul 14, 2022
Wearing masks when one is sick is nothing new,it was a law given in about 1450 BC. I will paraphrase what it says.
"Anyone with such a defiling disease,must wear torn clothes,and leave their hair uncombed,cover the lower part of their face and cry out "Unclean,Unclean"
So you have a duty of care to not intentionally infect others,but you must also protect yourself and do what you think is necessary.
But don't try and push what you do onto others.
Ivan 01 said
11:53 AM Jul 14, 2022
Plain Truth wrote:
Wearing masks when one is sick is nothing new,it was a law given in about 1450 BC. I will paraphrase what it says.
"Anyone with such a defiling disease,must wear torn clothes,and leave their hair uncombed,cover the lower part of their face and cry out "Unclean,Unclean"
So you have a duty of care to not intentionally infect others,but you must also protect yourself and do what you think is necessary.
But don't try and push what you do onto others.
That is interesting.
My view is that is a shame we havent learnt anything since 1450 BC.
Having recently recovered from a serious illness which to treat a disease I had administered to me, products that create immune deficiency, I am very aware of those who just dont give a stuff when it comes to the spread of Covid
I wasnt so much pushing my thoughts onto others but more to point out that dangerous suggestions on here and maybe other forums dont necessarily have to be governed by law. They can be as simple as not wearing a mask or not sanitising hands etc.
For me, there would be a far greater chance of me contracting Covid than rolling my next van and vehicle.
The cruise passengers who disembarked yesterday were not checked and there in is the danger.
Do we all, on this forum, suggest that they do it or dont do it or do we realise that we cant do anything to control what others do.
However if I wanted to push or even indicate that others should or should not do something I would address those people and not make blanket statements including an anonymous group of members that encourages others to add their valuable input without the knowledge of who the comments are directed.
My thoughts are that the Cruise managers are irresponsible but I doubt that they are breaking any law.
My thoughts are that respective governments arent responsible enough to protect ALL the citizens that rely on them for protection. I doubt that those govts are breaking the law either but they are displaying little care for many of our population.
If the Cruise company listened to this forum they would still most likely take the same stance as they are now because for all those who want Covid control there will be others that wont think that there is anything wrong or many just wont care about others.
I say bring back the Quarantine Station at North Head, but I know that is not going to happen nor will some agree with doing that either.
-- Edited by Ivan 01 on Thursday 14th of July 2022 11:58:25 AM
Clarky 1 said
12:26 PM Jul 14, 2022
86GTS wrote:
Cupie wrote:
I saw an interview with a retired guy who , I think, had been on that ship and he stated that he had 6, yes six, cruises booked for the next 12 months.
We have only done one overnight cruise from Italy to Greece & enjoyed it but we don't think that we could handle extended trips.
Was he single, he could fancy his chances with a few elderly ladies.
He could have been on the *Grab a Granny* charter.
Clarky 1 said
12:31 PM Jul 14, 2022
You wouldnt catch me on any of those cruise ships.
I dont go anywhere where I might be part of a captive audience. I dont even like buying a pie and a beer at a game of football.
Imagine being stuck on one of those disease ridden hell holes for weeks on end.
No offence meant to those who find a cruise enjoyable.
That holiday is just not for me Im afraid.
Ivan 01 said
08:17 AM Jul 15, 2022
I note this morning the ship is now in Brisbane and then apparently sailing on to Airlie Beach.
I wonder is this the same travel itinerary as what they used to do and go from Sydney to Cairns and return.
Happily spreading Covid up and down the east coast.
86GTS said
07:43 PM Jul 15, 2022
With 50,000 new cases & 78 deaths reported Australia wide in the past 24 hours no-one seems to care anymore. It's only old fart Grey Nomads & the like who are a burden on society dying, so who cares? Looking after yourself first is our number one priority, because no-one else will. The death rate of elderly Australians is probably higher than what's happening to the general population in the Ukraine.
-- Edited by 86GTS on Friday 15th of July 2022 07:46:01 PM
Ivan 01 said
08:04 PM Jul 15, 2022
No one cares at all.
It will kill an old fart before it causes to much bother, health wise, to the young ones.
The younger ones biggest argument relating to Covid is that they have used up their sick pay and now want our government to pay them in isolation. This is one reason it is spreading because if they stay home they dont get paid.
I went into the Big Green Shed this arvo and I did not see another person wearing a mask. I was the only one.
It is the media that surprises me. There is hardly a mention of the seriousness of the disease now.
Ivan 01 said
09:11 AM Jul 16, 2022
Well the tv news says it all this morning.
Apparently Anthony Overseasy has had to come to Australia to hold a national cabinet meeting to address the Covid crisis.
The main topic is listed as payments to those who have Covid and have to stay at home or isolate.
The return of the rorts so to speak.
Ivan 01 said
08:11 AM Jul 18, 2022
I hear this morning that another cruise ship is currently docked in Sydney and Covid is evident on that vessel as well.
It is the *I dont care element* that is causing the huge outbreak we have at the moment and not only from cruise line passengers.
The mind boggles as to why anyone would want to run the gauntlet and even get on a cruise ship.
86GTS said
08:44 AM Jul 18, 2022
Really enjoying this cruise! It only cost me a few grand. $$$$
Is it any coincidence that the original Covid ship landing on our shores was the Ruby Princess and now with everything up and running again with cruising we have another one docked here again under similar circumstances being the Coral Princess.
Does this indicate that there may be a problem with the Princess Line, considering it is the majority of the staff on board that have the Covid.
I think that I'll stick to caravaning, at least I won't be stuck in a pokey cabin peering out of a porthole.
One in 20 cruise ships pre Covid had a gastric outbreak. Just another contagious issue. They have enough freezer capacity.
I saw an interview with a retired guy who , I think, had been on that ship and he stated that he had 6, yes six, cruises booked for the next 12 months.
We have only done one overnight cruise from Italy to Greece & enjoyed it but we don't think that we could handle extended trips.
Was he single, he could fancy his chances with a few elderly ladies.
My opinion is that human nature takes over in a lot of these situations whereby the Sydney port is their last visit before termination in Brisbane the following day so to get the most out of the cruise why wouldnt someone want to disembark and make the most of their cruise and the money they paid for it.
Now I know that this is a forum based around travel and the lifestyle of possibly older people so we should be respectful of those who may want to cruise the high seas and as such we should be respectful of those travellers. They have the same enjoyment and expectations as those wanting to maybe travel on the Ghan
Although not able to comment as I was watching SOO and not on the forum it was brought up in a locked topic that some on here promote breaking the law and a raft of other misdemeanours
It was also mentioned that many who are normally vocal are not commenting last night, and it was probably all for the same reason. SOO.
I know that at times I might rub some people the wrong way but in most cases the truth is not what they want to hear. They want me to say what they want to hear. Again this is human nature.
Anyway I have spent an hour or so going back through my posts to see if I have suggested that anyone break the law so to speak, and up until now I cant say that this has been the case.
Lets get back to the topic of the cruise ship.
Wouldnt it be feasible to suggest that some people on here are antivaxers and some people on here would argue that it is their right to leave the ship or go to Coles or anywhere else if they so wish.
Wouldnt it be feasible that those same people decline wearing a mask and a percentage of them recommend to others not to wear a mask either.
Isnt this the same as a suggestion of someone doing something which may not be quite lawful. It is arguably just as dangerous.
Should we all jump on *trailer sailer* because he visits a winery, has a drink and then *tacks * his way back to a mooring or ridicule the bloke because he didnt cross his safety chains or he did exceed the speed limit to pass a road train and so on and so on. If true, these actions arent safe but will this forum ever prevent it happening.? I dont think so.
I think that because of the absolute lack of security with Covid on at least this line of cruise ship that no one should be permitted to disembark if Covid is present with anyone on board.
The report was that in excess of 100 staff had the disease which possibly indicates that the employer had no control in place regarding checks and vaccinations of employees.
Did this occur because maybe the employer did not come under the jurisdiction of Australian regulations.
I might suggest that people leave a forum because they move on or they dont agree with views or that they go on a cruise to escape the world and its troubles.
Happy Cruising, Sailing, Train travelling, or god forbid, Caravanning.
Wearing masks when one is sick is nothing new,it was a law given in about 1450 BC. I will paraphrase what it says.
"Anyone with such a defiling disease,must wear torn clothes,and leave their hair uncombed,cover the lower part of their face and cry out "Unclean,Unclean"
So you have a duty of care to not intentionally infect others,but you must also protect yourself and do what you think is necessary.
But don't try and push what you do onto others.
That is interesting.
My view is that is a shame we havent learnt anything since 1450 BC.
Having recently recovered from a serious illness which to treat a disease I had administered to me, products that create immune deficiency, I am very aware of those who just dont give a stuff when it comes to the spread of Covid
I wasnt so much pushing my thoughts onto others but more to point out that dangerous suggestions on here and maybe other forums dont necessarily have to be governed by law. They can be as simple as not wearing a mask or not sanitising hands etc.
For me, there would be a far greater chance of me contracting Covid than rolling my next van and vehicle.
The cruise passengers who disembarked yesterday were not checked and there in is the danger.
Do we all, on this forum, suggest that they do it or dont do it or do we realise that we cant do anything to control what others do.
However if I wanted to push or even indicate that others should or should not do something I would address those people and not make blanket statements including an anonymous group of members that encourages others to add their valuable input without the knowledge of who the comments are directed.
My thoughts are that the Cruise managers are irresponsible but I doubt that they are breaking any law.
My thoughts are that respective governments arent responsible enough to protect ALL the citizens that rely on them for protection. I doubt that those govts are breaking the law either but they are displaying little care for many of our population.
If the Cruise company listened to this forum they would still most likely take the same stance as they are now because for all those who want Covid control there will be others that wont think that there is anything wrong or many just wont care about others.
I say bring back the Quarantine Station at North Head, but I know that is not going to happen nor will some agree with doing that either.
-- Edited by Ivan 01 on Thursday 14th of July 2022 11:58:25 AM
He could have been on the *Grab a Granny* charter.
I dont go anywhere where I might be part of a captive audience. I dont even like buying a pie and a beer at a game of football.
Imagine being stuck on one of those disease ridden hell holes for weeks on end.
No offence meant to those who find a cruise enjoyable.
That holiday is just not for me Im afraid.
I note this morning the ship is now in Brisbane and then apparently sailing on to Airlie Beach.
I wonder is this the same travel itinerary as what they used to do and go from Sydney to Cairns and return.
Happily spreading Covid up and down the east coast.
With 50,000 new cases & 78 deaths reported Australia wide in the past 24 hours no-one seems to care anymore.
It's only old fart Grey Nomads & the like who are a burden on society dying, so who cares?
Looking after yourself first is our number one priority, because no-one else will. The death rate of elderly Australians is probably higher than what's happening to the general population in the Ukraine.
-- Edited by 86GTS on Friday 15th of July 2022 07:46:01 PM
No one cares at all.
It will kill an old fart before it causes to much bother, health wise, to the young ones.
The younger ones biggest argument relating to Covid is that they have used up their sick pay and now want our government to pay them in isolation.
This is one reason it is spreading because if they stay home they dont get paid.
I went into the Big Green Shed this arvo and I did not see another person wearing a mask. I was the only one.
It is the media that surprises me. There is hardly a mention of the seriousness of the disease now.
Apparently Anthony Overseasy has had to come to Australia to hold a national cabinet meeting to address the Covid crisis.
The main topic is listed as payments to those who have Covid and have to stay at home or isolate.
The return of the rorts so to speak.
It is the *I dont care element* that is causing the huge outbreak we have at the moment and not only from cruise line passengers.
The mind boggles as to why anyone would want to run the gauntlet and even get on a cruise ship.
Really enjoying this cruise! It only cost me a few grand. $$$$