Politics... C'mon I know you all have an opinion

Basil Faulty · Guru

Politics... C'mon I know you all have an opinion

twobob · Guru

Basil

I normally keep my political views to myself, but this site has my interest - maybe like minds, and all that.

I take the position of "cannot beat them" but use the system to my advantage where possible. To do this, one MUST know the system. Most do not spend the time to get to know.

I have always wondered about a couple of parts of our political system.

Why do we need a Senate (Qld does not have one) - we elect a mob to run the joint, let them do it, and vote em in/out the next time - How much money would that little adjustment save us tax payers

Why do we need a State Govn - we have Councils, elected people close to our living and working lives - Just have the "Chair's" gather together and decide direction of the state, as a group - how much money would that save - and how close to the real people would they be, when making decisions

Most large business's are doing just that - reducing the infrastructure between the Top and the "coal face"

The above should be read with the following bit of knowledge - Our govn started this way - the local "****y" was elected (no parties then), and did the job for his community.

Right now I am trying every angle I can find to get a pension, get some of my money back.

Basil Faulty · Guru

There does seem to be a very strong push to get rid of State govt's.... I think that a few things now state controlled should be done by the feds. Road rules, driving licences, Education & health, and power & water supply for a start. Think of the savings to the taxpayers if we could eliminate all the interstate duck shoving....
You are spot on, there are just to many beaureacrats in the system to allow any real efficiency....Was it Mary Watts (James Watts wife) who said ( in a broad scots brouge) "Ock Eye James, tis the machine with the least moving parts is the most efficient"

dave06 · Guru

I think it was judge john deed who said "hang em all and let god sort em out", local councils are just big frogs in little ponds, bent on self importance and power, go to a council meeting and you will see, I have many times, state government tottaly useless and a waste of money, federal well they sit only part time, why do we even have a full party sitting in parliament who's only reason for existance is to "oppose" the current leadership, how archaic is that, all these peanuts are a waste of taxpayers money, when was the last time you seen an m.p. come from the rank and file, these people have no idea of what is going on in the real world, my god we have single and married pensioners who are eating dogfood to survive they cant afford to eat after paying the bills, I know because I take food to three living on my street, I wish I could help more, we have some of the worst homeless numbers in relation to population size in the world, our rivers are stuffed our economy is down the gurgler, even though we are the richest country in minerals and oils, in the world, and yet we sell it to the conglomerates at a pittance, our illustious pollies admit they couldnt live on the single pension, the mongrels are sitting on a 22 billion dollar surplus, and they wont give the singles another cent, their wages rose last financial year 15.5% above the current c.p.i. and of course the benefits (car, travel, phone, office, secretary, home allowance, living away from home allowance,) also jumped way beyond the norm. our current illustious P.M. has a multi millionaire for a wife, guess who is in control of the country, the people that you see in the gov. do not run the country of course, it is the behind the scenes personell, what our pollies say in public is not the current policies, that is decided by the "power" people, the current system is geared only to financial gain, not peoples wellbeing, it was Paul keating who said, " the best way to see darwin is at 30,000 feet on the way to france". O.K. "OFF ME SOAPBOX" but it brings me to tears when I see the injustice in this, the best damn country on earth, being destroyed by dickheads who couldnt run a primary school fete, hang em all, let god sort em out

Ole Grizzly · Senior Member

I'm so glad I enjoy bananas living in this country.
Remember Paul Keating's comment of this country now turning into a "Banana Republic".

Gosh ! decisions decisions !!!! Who do I vote for..Basil, TwoBob or Dave..all have good policies.

Heck...I have a headache. ashamed

RobCol · Senior Member

Are you following whats happening in Perth elections - both funny and interesting.
I would like to see Federal laws re, roads,health,education,law,transport etc. etc. Seems silly that crossing borders speed limits change!!! If each state pooled resources re roads, we might be able to have first grade national highway. And fancy they are arguuing re responsibility re the demise of our great river the Murray!!!!

Biodiesel Bob · Member

This is straight out of the Dictionary, thought might be of interest.

Extract from Macquarie Dictionary, from Hamlyn in England in 1971 and then itself based on well known American College Dictionary in 1969. Page 1338.

Definition of a Politician: 1. One who is active in party politics.
2. One skilled in political govermentor administration: a statesman.
3. One who holds a political office.
4. A seeker or holder of public office who is more concerned to win favour or to retain power than to maintain principles.
5. One who seeks power or advancement within an organisation by unscrupoulus or dishonest measn.
6. RARE, an expert in politics or political government.
Now we know why it is so. Biodiesel Bob.
Did'nt mean to get too serious,but that's it

twobob · Guru

Grizzley

I thank you for placing me in such esteem company, but must decline.

For the new Grey Nomad Party (GNP) I vote Basil for PM, as he has swallowed a dictionary, and Dave as Vice PM, as he has lots of experience of Vice's

Why is so easy for us to see the problem, but not those running the joint now - too long in education, and not enough on the road of life, I suspect

Bio Bob - is that really written? where is the media, when you have un questionable facts, on the matter.

Vote independant, Basil and Dave (I may consider Treasury)

Biodiesel Bob · Member

Hi Twobob, yes its fact, I have sent it to many media and our local paper, as always they are reluctant sometimes. I have lined up a job for K. Dudd, as a window dresser for Myers, his Mr. Sheen looks will go well as he cleans the mirrors, its the perfect role. Biodiesel Bob

Wombat 280 · Guru

Christ fella's don't let Mr Sheen (al K. Rudd) hear all these ideas coming forth from the people, he will need to hold a yet another review and bugger all will get done until he has a second term underway .

I note we complain about the system doing this or not doing that for us Well ! fellow nomads we the voters are the system but we still go blindly in and vote because we like the colour of their hair or the baby faces rather than asking to see the viable plans and funding strategy behind the rhetoric. Old Kebbin constantly comes out with a shoot from the hip speeches to answer concerns voiced by the masses but has anyone seen anything done thereafter Not Bloody Likely, he doesn't need your vote yet. Watch the money pour out of Canberra come election time 2012, incidentally money left to Labor from the LIB's that is.

It's worth noting that every state that has a Labor Government is in debt up to the eyeballs and trying to sell off infrastructure. if history holds true to form the current Feds will go the same way as they did with Witlam , Hawk and Keating at the wheel. Once they sell the farm there's always the bankcard as a fall back position they did it before so why not again

dave06 · Guru

yep you are of course absolutely right, thanks to the bloody liberals we are now the most heavily taxed nation on the face of the earth in relation to population density, pretty hard not to have billions left over when our current mining boom is estimated in the tens of millions per year in south australia alone, our uranium exports are rated in the tens of millions per year in south australia alone, G.S.T. last year bagged in excess of 8.3 billion dollars, fuel tax another 3.5 billion, food and consumables another 4.23 billion, pokies revenue is in the tens of millions, we as a nation are absolutely awash with money, the government does not know what to do with it, be it liberal, labour or the greens, when the mining boom ends, and it will, we will be in deep ****, governments of both sides will not be weened off, we will hit a depression the size of which this nation has never seen, we should be helping the people of this great nation, I didnt vote for rudd but I didnt want howard either, abbott and costello Hah what a joke, when was the last time we had an actual decent candidate, what did rudd offer, what were the liberals offering, more of the same, where are the great commanders of this nation, they are all educated at harvard uni and all have the same mentality, when you say liberal this labour that, the policies of the behind the scene people are the same, watch yes prime minister, it is truer than you think, look back through history truthfully and you will see the truth, its all on the net, if it was up to me I wouldnt and didnt want to vote for any of them, but it is a matter of law and as such I made a decision based on absolute lose lose, in fact as a matter of truth I put a line through my ballot paper, and placed it in the ballot box, thats how disgusted I am with current runners, one of my old mates was taken to hospital today, 83yo, vietnam vet, worked all his life, paid his taxes, exemplarery citizen, I've been watching over him and his wife for the last 15 years, lost his wife about 5 years ago, he's not expected to come out of hospital, our older people are dying through lack of good health care and malnutrition, they go to bed at 7 o'clock because they cant afford the power to heat their houses, they eat dog food because of the price of groceries, dont have gardens because of water cost, cant keep a bloody pet because of cost and our godamn pollies are arguing about what to do with all the money they have left over, for gods sake when will they see the true sense of things, no wonder people take up arms and march on officials, I still have 3 on the my street who have survived this winter but I doubt they will survive the next one, what about the next street and the one after that, who is helping them, god I am not rich and I cant help them all but I see them everyday, liberal, labour, hang the lot and let god sort them out, the barstards, I'll shuffle off my soap box now

Basil Faulty · Guru

It's the child like behavior that gets on my cruet... Did ya's all hear today about the nsw polly who resigned because he was sprung haveing "mock sex" with some other labour party woman who claims she knows nothing about it....
These people seem to be above the law, I only have to jay walk and I'm in strife....

Basil Faulty · Guru

Wombat 280 wrote:

Christ fella's don't let Mr Sheen (al K. Rudd) hear all these ideas coming forth from the people, he will need to hold a yet another review and bugger all will get done until he has a second term underway .

I note we complain about the system doing this or not doing that for us Well ! fellow nomads we the voters are the system but we still go blindly in and vote because we like the colour of their hair or the baby faces rather than asking to see the viable plans and funding strategy behind the rhetoric. Old Kebbin constantly comes out with a shoot from the hip speeches to answer concerns voiced by the masses but has anyone seen anything done thereafter Not Bloody Likely, he doesn't need your vote yet. Watch the money pour out of Canberra come election time 2012, incidentally money left to Labor from the LIB's that is.

It's worth noting that every state that has a Labor Government is in debt up to the eyeballs and trying to sell off infrastructure. if history holds true to form the current Feds will go the same way as they did with Witlam , Hawk and Keating at the wheel. Once they sell the farm there's always the bankcard as a fall back position they did it before so why not again

Any one know Mr Kemlani's number, they may need it to get a loan....LOL

Basil Faulty · Guru

Basil has too many controversial policies to be considered for such high office as PM. I'm too racially extreme, if you thought Hitler was a nutter you don't know me...
Besides I don't think I could get the trains to run on time, however, my BRING BACK THE TRAMS policy for Sydney may score me a few votes. Along with my sack all the state councils policy. I do think I would have to look closely at the mandatory introduction of hours at the beach when you are allowed into the water and mandatory neck to knee attire while on the beach would curb crimes of lust & passion on Bondi in particular....
Also I would question why we have to pay around 70 cents/Ltr for natural gas when we sell it overseas for around 5 cents/ltr. I would also think a good idea would be to send all existing politicians to a yet to beconstructed "Tent City" at say Maralinga just to reeducate them, get them to see life at the "coal face"...
Na do What I do. I refuse to vote and I refuse to pay the fine. I said to the magistrate, "Your Honour, how could you reasonably expect anyone to vote when the people you are voting for have a vested interest, are all petty criminals and Arthur Daley types?" and you know what after giving me a lecture about my refusing to exercise MY democratic rights, he dismissed the charge!!!!
Don't VOTE for me unless you want a return to common sense and extreme ideology....

RobCol · Senior Member

Why is it that there are so many of us that think alike about how this beautiful country is run?
I wonder what swung voters away from the previous Federal Govt-was it the personality or the politics? What is desparately needed is a really strong leader - like ?? old Bob Menzies. Gosh I cant recall anyone else in over 40 years of voting??
Would it help if voting wasn't compulsory then there would be more of a conscious vote by people with intelligence, not rabble types who are easily swayed.
Until the last Fed election I had thought the country was doing OK, now K 07 and his crew seem to already be in a spot of bother.It is also a pity that minor parties show their preferences before the election or not have them count at all, as I believe it should be "first past the post" not reliant on minor parties throwing their support in at end of counting.
Just my personal opinion, for what its worth.

twobob · Guru

MY last words on the matter

You all have views and opinions that I respect - what I do, and I hope you think about, when voting time comes.

I vote for ANY independent, provided they have not previously linked themselves to a party.

Rational - if the vote was declared where the majority was independent, then the "parties" would need to gather support from the Independent ranks to obtain control. Independents need your vote to remain there, and the parties need them - consider the power and dependance of your vote for them

I will add, the bastards have seen this coming, thats why the voting papers have above the line and below - Independent is below the line, and more chance of being a null vote

-- Edited by twobob at 22:46, 2008-09-11

chezgo · Senior Member

Who needs to watch Days of our Lives or the Bold and the Beautiful, NSW politics is a soap opera in itself I cant wait for the next instalment or with any luck an election. Our new Premier the garbo and admitted pot smoker has the starring role and everyday the co stars are up to something that gets them hired and fired then in some cases hired again.

Basil Faulty · Guru

RobCol wrote:

Why is it that there are so many of us that think alike about how this beautiful country is run?
I wonder what swung voters away from the previous Federal Govt-was it the personality or the politics? What is desparately needed is a really strong leader - like ?? old Bob Menzies. Gosh I cant recall anyone else in over 40 years of voting??
Would it help if voting wasn't compulsory then there would be more of a conscious vote by people with intelligence, not rabble types who are easily swayed.
Until the last Fed election I had thought the country was doing OK, now K 07 and his crew seem to already be in a spot of bother.It is also a pity that minor parties show their preferences before the election or not have them count at all, as I believe it should be "first past the post" not reliant on minor parties throwing their support in at end of counting.
Just my personal opinion, for what its worth.

I agree totally, but even Bob "it is my melancholy duty" Menzies had problems. I think that today its the fact that the media are so more "intrusive" and we only in the last say 20 odd years have started to see the real facts of the behind the scenes "action".
I reckon the problems are realy the parties themselves, the bills that are put up before parliament whenever you get a good look at them are all designed to only strengthen the party line, rarely do they have any impact for the good of society, these days it's more along the lines of subjugating the proletareat masses with spin.
Now tell me why do Politicians say everything twice, everything twice?
Then of course we are much smarter than the average pollie as we have had some experience in the real world, we all know what it's like to have to live from week to week, these new breed of pollies have to my way of thinking no actual skills to do the job. The start off straight out of an arts degree in some soft option subject then become an indentured slave to some politician who wants a young woman or bloke in his office and sleaze their way onto the ballot paper...
If we had no parties and just independants who were elected because they were known in their community for their charritable efforts and they were duly elected then maybe we would stand a fighting chance....
Of course us Grey Nomads and Baby Boomers don't help because we have enough brains to see what is really going on and are a major force to contend with in the community...

suenami · Senior Member

'On ya, Ole Grizzly! I like bananas and I too have a headache wink

cheers

-- Edited by suenami at 10:37, 2008-09-16

-- Edited by suenami at 10:37, 2008-09-16

Basil Faulty · Guru

Hallelujah... Salvation is at Hand, Turnbull usurped Nelson.... So now we have to wait a few months for Costello to make a move on Turnbull....& Turnbull has made so many enemies I don't see him getting to the next election unscathed...

dave06 · Guru

bit like the cream puff taking over from the mud pie, wont help my neighbor, he died yesterday, another one they dont have to give the 15% rise to

twobob · Guru

Just received this from my dear mate Stevie - love her work - and it fits this thread (could go in jokes, but nah)

WHAT SPIN DOCTORS DO :

Next time you are writing that important influential document, remember the following example :

Judy Wallman, a professional genealogical researcher, discovered that Hillary Clinton's great-great uncle, Remus Rodham, was hanged for horse stealing and train robbery in Montana in 1889. The only known photograph of Remus shows him standing on the gallows. On the back of the picture is this inscription: 'Remus Rodham; horse thief, sent to Montana Territorial Prison 1885, escaped 1887, robbed the Montana Flyer six times. Caught by Pinkerton detectives, convicted and hanged in 1889.'
Judy e-mailed Hillary Clinton for comments.

Hillary's staff sent back the following biographical sketch:
'Remus Rodham was a famous cowboy in the Montana Territory . His business empire grew to include acquisition of valuable equestrian assets and intimate dealings with the Montana railroad. Beginning in 1883, he devoted several years of his life to service at a government facility, finally taking leave to resume his dealings with the railroad. In 1887 he was a key player in a vital investigation run by the renowned Pinkerton Detective Agency. In 1889 Remus passed away during an important civic function held in his honor, when the platform on which he was standing collapsed.'

And that, folks, is, without a doubt, how a 'spin' is done!!