Fuel ecommony

Wombat 280 · Guru

Fuel ecommony

dave06 · Guru

wouldnt have thought they would be allowed that much error, but I guess all's fair in love and fuel consumption, place the thing in the city and that figure would treble

Wombat 280 · Guru

Dave they are introducing soon more useless information on the sticker an urban and non urban figure then an average of both but the error factor remains unchanged

glenc · Member

RE: Fuel economy

dave06 · Guru

RE: Fuel ecommony

Basil Faulty · Guru

glenc wrote:

The economy on my Peugeot 307 2.0L turbo diesel is supposed to be 4.0L/100km highway and 6.0L/100km city.
I get 5.3L/100km on long trips at 100 to 110km/hr. Towing an Avan Aliner I get 7.3L/100km at about 90 km/hr with a best of 6.4L/100 km.

-- Edited by glenc at 08:25, 2008-11-23

Impressive... would be interesting to see what you got on a long drive at around 80km/hr....

Basil Faulty · Guru

The stickers seem to defy the laws of physics. has anyone had a squiz at the figures for the Hybrids? now theres some vehicles where the figures are distorted. What they don't mention is the overnight charge of the batteries at home and motels along the way on your return trip to Perth on 1 tank of fuel....
Yes folks the Hybrids are a technological phenominon they can make energy out of thin air..... Very very deceptive.

glenc · Member

A Prius' towing ability is 0 kg according to Toyota.
Will the Camry Hybrid be the same?
With my 307 5.3 L/100 = 53 mpg and 7.3 L/100 = 39 mpg.

-- Edited by glenc at 09:45, 2008-11-23

dave06 · Guru

we looked at buying one of those hybrid thingys just for the dragons work vehicle, as you know she had her beloved little festiva written off in m.v.a, but the hybrid vehicle was a 91 ( I think) high kms and they are still bringing in excess of $20,000, we ended up buying a 2001 ford KA, now theres a vehicle that almost makes its own fuel

just as a useless bit of trivia, I seen a battery for the prius in ebay, the thing was the size of the back seat and the price was $7,700, so if you got one, no good hollerin' for a marshall

-- Edited by dave06 at 11:01, 2008-11-23

Basil Faulty · Guru

dave06 wrote:

we looked at buying one of those hybrid thingys just for the dragons work vehicle, as you know she had her beloved little festiva written off in m.v.a, but the hybrid vehicle was a 91 ( I think) high kms and they are still bringing in excess of $20,000, we ended up buying a 2001 ford KA, now theres a vehicle that almost makes its own fuel

just as a useless bit of trivia, I seen a battery for the prius in ebay, the thing was the size of the back seat and the price was $7,700, so if you got one, no good hollerin' for a marshall

-- Edited by dave06 at 11:01, 2008-11-23

And they don't tell you that the batteries only last 2 years do they.... sorry Hybrids are a crock with no smaller carbon footprint than any other car. It's pure physics to move any amount of weight at any speed requires an input of energy that applies to any vehicle, whether you create that energy by a petrol or diesel or steam you still have to create it and if it comes from a battery, or wherever it still has to be created, you can't do it by magic.....Hybrid cars just move the problem around a bit thats all. Of course if you have been conned by the thought of being GREEN in your motoring you won't believe any of the true facts untill the battery dies and you have to buy a newone....

dave06 · Guru

hell so every two years the owner is up for $7,700 plus installation, do they "factor" that in with its running costs, glad we didnt buy the thing now, seemed like a good idea at the time

Basil Faulty · Guru

dave06 wrote:

hell so every two years the owner is up for $7,700 plus installation, do they "factor" that in with its running costs, glad we didnt buy the thing now, seemed like a good idea at the time

$7700 if they can get a non genuine one, for a shock; price one from Toyota, go on I dare ya... Be sitting down and be perpared for the 'can we see the vehicle' response....

No these are incidental expenses and are not factored into the running costs. I was intersted in buying one when I ended up with the Jazz ( a far more cost effective option) and the spin the salesman put on it was amazing and the questions re actual running costs were skillfully avoided. He claimed that if I drove from Canberra to Batemans Bay with a large downhill sector that I would generate enough charge in the batteries to return to Canberra without the petrol gennie cutting in, he must have thought I was born yesterday, still the problem is that the general public don't understand the basic physics involved - for every action there is an equal opposit action.
Sorry Hybrids are all unfortunatley HYPE untill they develope batteries that charge themselves......
Mind you I have yet to do the famous test in the Sorento and tow a caravan Sydney -Adelaide on 1 tank of diesel.....

glenc · Member

Prius batteries last a lot longer than 2 years, hardly any have been replaced so far, but I still would not buy one.

dave06 · Guru

just as a bit of trivia, the dragons 2001 ford KA returned 51.92 mpg or 5.44 ltrs/100 combined city and country driving

Wombat 280 · Guru

The greens would be having a giant fit if they bothered to really analysis the carbon footprint created in making the batteries in the first place , then there is the up coming disposal problem associated with batteries when they fag out, as all batteries do.

To dispose of a tyre through a dealer in NSW is now $10.00 a tyre and at the local; tip $15.00 so I can imagine what a large battery is going to attract in dump fees . Don't believe that there is any recycle value in batteries as the usable parts are all consumed so your when it's life is over your left with a plastic case and a couple of lead terminals and contaminated acid.

As a city commuter they may have a place but in a country as large as Australia they are next to useless for traveling any distance and towing anything forget it. May consider it when I reach my 90's ha ha

Basil Faulty · Guru

Wombat 280 wrote:

The greens would be having a giant fit if they bothered to really analysis the carbon footprint created in making the batteries in the first place , then there is the up coming disposal problem associated with batteries when they fag out, as all batteries do.

To dispose of a tyre through a dealer in NSW is now $10.00 a tyre and at the local; tip $15.00 so I can imagine what a large battery is going to attract in dump fees . Don't believe that there is any recycle value in batteries as the usable parts are all consumed so your when it's life is over your left with a plastic case and a couple of lead terminals and contaminated acid.

As a city commuter they may have a place but in a country as large as Australia they are next to useless for traveling any distance and towing anything forget it. May consider it when I reach my 90's ha ha

You are right there Wombat, making batteries is one of the most "Ungreen" manufacturing processes on the planet. These Hybrid cars are really just a sophisticated "battery" powered care with an onboard charger.