Self Defence.

Sheba · Guru

Subject: Fw: PLEASE DO READ THIS AND THEN PASS IT ON TO ANY YOUNG PEOPLE YOU KNOW.

Read this all the way down, then see you in tesco

Canadian self defense!!!

Never thought about this before but important to know!

Subject: Wasp Spray

I know some of you own GUNS but this is something to think about...---

If you don't have a gun, here's a more humane way to wreck someone's evil plans for you. Did you know this? I didn't. I never really thought of it before. I guess I can get rid of the baseball bat.

Wasp Spray - A friend who is a receptionist in a church in a high risk area was concerned aboutsomeone coming into the office on Monday to rob them when they were counting the collection. She asked the local police departmentabout using pepper spray and they recommended to her that she get a can of wasp spray instead.

The wasp spray, they told her, can shoot up to twenty feet away and is a lot more accurate, while with the pepper spray, they have to get too close to you and could overpower you. The wasp spray temporarily blinds an attacker until they get to the hospital for an antidote. She keeps a can on her desk in the office and it doesn't attract attention from people like a can of pepper spray would. She also keeps one nearby at home for home protection. Thought this was interesting and might be of use.

On the heels of a break in and beating that left an elderly woman in Toledo dead, self defense experts have a tip that could save your life.

Val Glinka teaches self-defense to students at Sylvania Southview High School . For decades, he's suggested putting a can of wasp and hornet spray near your door or bed.

Glinka says, "This is better than anything I can teach them."

Glinka considers it inexpensive, easy to find, and more effective than mace or pepper spray. The cans typically shoot 20 to 30 feet; so if someone tries to break into your home, Glinka says "spray the culprit in the eyes". It's a tip he's given to students for decades.

It's also one he wants everyone to hear. If you're looking for protection, Glinka says look to the spray. "That's going to give you a chance to call the police; maybe get out." Maybe even save a life.

Please share this with all the people who are precious to your life

Did you also know that wasp spray will kill a snake? And a mouse! It will! Good to know, huh? It will also kill a wasp.!!!!

Of course i would not recomend it, information only
Breakaway

Dunco · Senior Member

Sheba...

It is an urban myth.

Sheba · Guru

"I doubt I have heard such pansy assed waffle in a long time. Certain members seem to have a distorted view of exactly what a violent attack can be in the real world, and the potential results of such an attack.

As a NSW copper in the western suburbs of Sydney in the 1960's and 70's I experienced the situation of all out violent and concerted attack several times, and I still carry the scar of the knife thru the left forearm and the piece of brennecke in my neck. I can assure all and sundry that, when attacked and placed in a desperate situation, you will use all of the resources at hand to protect yourself, and worry about the end result after the event.

The old saying 'Don't bring a knife to a gunfight' rings true in all respects. If, perchance, a can of wasp spray is at hand, and the situation is desperate enough to warrant it's use, I am sure a jury of your peers would see the logic in your actions.

Might be different set of circumstances in a a damages claim if the matter is heard before one of the bleeding heart judges that seem to be the norm these days.

As a side bar - I've had many occasions to use just such a spray on some of the huge paper wasp nests we get up this way. It is very toxic and very irritating and really has a spray reach of something like 5 metres. Knocks wasps down immediately on contact and you need to make sure you are spraying with the wind at your back or it might just knock you down as well.

cabcar "

Ma · Guru

Did you check for copyright Sheba?? Someone else didn't and look what happened to him.

Cupie · Guru

Hi ..

When I get this sort of thing on email, I always check SNOPES or similar sites.

To get the story on this paste the address below into your browser.

Is it true or false .. Answer MIXED

http://www.snopes.com/crime/prevent/waspspray.asp

-- Edited by Cupie on Sunday 24th of July 2011 08:45:36 AM

_wombat_ · Master (of Mischief)

here's the link

http://www.snopes.com/crime/prevent/waspspray.asp

Old Crofter · Senior Member

"Better to be judged by 12 of your peers than be carried by 6 of your mates"

sucastja · Senior Member

florinhill wrote:
"Better to be judged by 12 of your peers than be carried by 6 of your mates"

Great quote smile and so true

Dunco · Senior Member

I will say what I said in a previous thread on another forum.....this is BS. All the evidence stated on the other web pages is only hearsay and it has never been proven. If it had this effect on people, then it would be illegal in Australia.

It will not incapacitate a person. It will only slow them down and make them more annoyed.

If you feel that you need it, then get it, but do not expect it to do much harm to anyone.

I have been sprayed with many things over my career and I was one of the guinea pigs when pepper spray was being tested in NSW...and also tasers...such a sucker for punishment

What would happen if you sprayed someone in a confined space such as your van ?
What would you do next ?
It may annoy them, but it does not have a long term effect on anyone like pepper spray or CS gas.

Hair spray or deodorant spray will have the same effect, but only up close.

Just try not to get in a situation where you may need it.....and in saying that, has anyone ever been in a situation like that ??? NO, I hear you say, then keep doing what you are doing biggrin

_wombat_ · Master (of Mischief)

Sorry Dunco, but you do not hear me saying NO.

In Victoria about 2009 we had a young guy try to get into our van at 0100, Mrs W always had the window open about an inch, he forced the window up and woke us up, I called the police and they were too tired to come out until the next day.

All of this was in a caravan park, the management the next day said he had broken into the laundry and emptied the machines in there.

If I had a spray I would have used it just to slow him down, instead he got away and we have not heard anything since

Dunco · Senior Member

Sorry to hear that you are one of the unlucky people wombat and I didn't write that to get into any arguments with anyone.

It is not the norm and if you do find yourself in this predicament, then I hope that people are as lucky as you with nothing stolen and no harm done.

And my official advice to ANYONE that rings the police and they do not attend, is to take it further by firstly ringing the Local area Commander and if you still do not get any satisfaction, then go to your local MP and report the matter to the ombudsman. Do NOT stand for it !!

I will guarantee you that this would never had happened where I was the boss !!!!
And that was in an extremely busy station in the western suburbs of Sydney....and I had a drink with a bunch of them last night....hic !...and I have a headache doh

Vic · Guru

Sheba,

That info off the other forum, he is indeed a ex policeman but changed careers on retirement. Usually in a caravan/campervan/motorhome/tent situation you are going to be close anyway, so no need to get close. Fly spray could be used too, or a fire extinguisher sprayed at the thug, could also be used to thump them with. Only in desperate times though, like Dunco said, these things can be wrested off you and used against you too (I have seen a bloke have a baton wrested off him and used on him by an angry thug, made a nice mess of him).

Dunco, apart from the obvious, what was the effects of the Taser on you?

Ma · Guru

Did any of you stop to think that if you clouted this yobbo with your fire extinguisher and he died you could be charged with manslaughter. It's happened before with home invasions.

Happywanderer · The Master

Firstly, I am having too much of a laugh reading this to worry about snopes of which I have never been into, couldn't be bothered. Either read it and laugh or delete, I say.
Secondly, Where can I get a can, even if to just kill the mice would suit me.
By the way Can you buy just Wasp spray here in Aus, it beats carrying a gun as all the americans seem to do and mentioned at the top of the first post.

_wombat_ · Master (of Mischief)

Dunco wrote:
Sorry to hear that you are one of the unlucky people wombat and I didn't write that to get into any arguments with anyone.

It is not the norm and if you do find yourself in this predicament, then I hope that people are as lucky as you with nothing stolen and no harm done.

And my official advice to ANYONE that rings the police and they do not attend, is to take it further by firstly ringing the Local area Commander and if you still do not get any satisfaction, then go to your local MP and report the matter to the ombudsman. Do NOT stand for it !!

I will guarantee you that this would never had happened where I was the boss !!!!
And that was in an extremely busy station in the western suburbs of Sydney....and I had a drink with a bunch of them last night....hic !...and I have a headache

Please do not take my post as an argument, I was only statring what happened and as you say we were not hurt that is why we took it no further.

hope you enjoyed your drink, if you had a headache then you did enjoy your drink

Dunco · Senior Member

Yep, I did enjoy it. A mate of mine is being transferred to the bush and we had a send off....good to catch up with mates.

And Vic, IT BLOODY HURT. I did the funky chicken on the floor for a few seconds...wow. What a buzz.

Vic · Guru

Ma wrote:
Did any of you stop to think that if you clouted this yobbo with your fire extinguisher and he died you could be charged with manslaughter. It's happened before with home invasions.

If he was armed with a knife or similar Ma and it was him or me (ie; he was attacking me and I feared for my life) I would take whatever steps were necessary to defend myself, in a life threatening situation. You probably would be charged as a matter of course, but I doubt any court would convict you in those circumstances.....

Vic · Guru

Dunco wrote:
And Vic, IT BLOODY HURT. I did the funky chicken on the floor for a few seconds...wow. What a buzz.

Hmmmm......I think I will pass on that one ! wink biggrin

_wombat_ · Master (of Mischief)

the problem as I see it is, the cops do a great job when they do catch anybody for a crime and these bloody judges stick it up the cops by given very light sentances, and the crims run away laughing, no wonder the crims are all happy.

ok I'll get off my soapbox now

Cruising Granny · Guru

More than 30 years ago my ex and I had our van parked in a large shed on private property as caretakers. The young fella living in the cottage on the block was a very responsible fella. He had a little party with some of his local friends. No problem there.
My partner was out fishing with a mate, so I was home alone.
About 9.30pm 2 young girls came to the van door screaming something about guns. As I was on the phone to the Police there were shots fired - shotgun and .22. We sat on the van floor, inside of the wheel arches. I figured that would give us the most protection.
A guest at the party got into a minor rumble with a gate crasher. The guest's older brother came down the street to see what was happening, and got shot, point blank in the stomach for his concern. He lived 3 hours before he passed away, leaving a wife and young family.
I was in the Police car giving my statement when the call came through.
We lived under observation for 3 months until they arrested the shooter, in Wagga. He'd just been released from juvenile detention, and as an 18 year old he'd hit the big time with manslaughter.
We can only take all precautions. Don't display your personal belongings to the general public, to show off, "I've got more than you have!" "Mine is bigger than yours." And all that jazz.
"Look, Lock, Leave" is good advice when you leave your car and van. Even in your local suburb, this is a good policy for your household.
Be observant. Watch for strange vehicles and people, even motor bikes and push bikes. They could be on survey duty.
It seems someone will always want what you have, and some will go to extreme lengths to get it. When they get pinched and charged it's your fault. Well, no it's not.
Look after yourselves and your stuff.

glassies · Guru

all i can say is ive slept with a can of fly spray beside my bed before when ive been along and heard
noises in the night, someone said hit the person in the eyes with it ,never have had to do that but i tell ya
what i would not hesitate to stab ,wound do whatever it took to protect myself my family or anybody in that case

I once knew a young lad in port mcq broke into a mans house alas the man was home and raped that young lad
and even though the young lad was in the wrong he got a pay out for what happened to him ,i pretty much heard
it was around 80,000 when he was 18, and heard he did not do one sensible thing with that money.

Lat 38 · Member

For Victorians, but similar laws exist across the country.
Sect. 459,Crimes Act
".......a person may use such force not disproportionate to the threat ......"

important words....NOT DISPROPORTIONATE..
There are instances where a person has used whatever is handy, to defend themselves when they believed the threat was 'REAL & IMMINENT" and this has been deemed to be within the meaning of the act.

Separate topic
WD40 is a handy tool to have around a camp or van.
small cans of wd40 come with a little tube that allows it to shoot fairly accurately for 2-3 meters. with the use of a lighter, wd40 is good for lighting bbq's and can imitate a flame thrower.

wd40 should NEVER be used as a weapon as it would be severely disabling and could cause severe irritation and even damage someones eyes and if it was lit it could be lethal.
There have been cases of WD40 being used to neutralize guard dogs. This is a callous and cruel act and shows that WD 40 can be extremely disabling.

I would NEVER advise anyone to carry or have handy, WD40 or similar as a weapon.
I repeat, WD40 is a handy tool to have around a van and must NEVER be considered as a possible means of last resort weapon.

tonyd · Guru

Important topic.
I am reminded of the words of a US judge in such circumstances: "If I am woken up at 3am by an intruder in my bedroom, I have the right to assume that he is not there to wish me howdy doody."
Thanks for the tip about WD40. A can goes on my bedside table, along with a box of matches.
It is past time that the decent, ordinary citizens of this nation took a stand against the pond slime that seems to be breeding in our suburbs.
I often wonder how our police feel when they put the pond slime into the dock, only to see some smarmy lawyer give an impasssioned speech about his client's (totally fictitious) poor childhood, bad upbringing and depression. The judge/magistrate, who has no bloody idea of what goes on in the real world, then gives the scrote a slap on the wrist and sends him off to bash and rob more little old pensioners.
Stand up Australia!
Tony

Old Crofter · Senior Member

Have been in the situation where the "equaliser" was needed and used it to my advantage. Most opportunist issues take place because the van, property person is deemed to be easy and a soft touch. (proactive deterents are better than being reactive) usually does not take much to change their minds with whatever means. It may be lots of noise, wasp spray or any other spray for that matter, which normally will put them off to look for a easier target. (proactive deterents are better than being reactive)

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-- Edited by florinhill on Monday 25th of July 2011 08:27:54 AM

beachball57 · Senior Member

i always found a bullit works pretty well too

Smokeydk · Guru

forget the WD40............use some bright paint in spraycan......something that only spray painters use thats hard to clean off.......then hit the bugga's with it.......police will soon find them

BobnBev · Senior Member

If you visit WA , Get your self a can of pepper spray, and keep it near the door of the van,"in side" could help...

Vic · Guru

BobnBev wrote:
If you visit WA , Get your self a can of pepper spray, and keep it near the door of the van,"in side" could help...

What sort of stores is it available in WA BobnBev ?

Old Crofter · Senior Member

I bought mine at an army disposal store but I thought that it was now no longer available. Mine is next to the back door and also has the dye.

Dunco · Senior Member

There is always a lot of talk in regards to people using different weapons for self defence as with all the messages above.

However, when it comes down to using any type of weapon, it always falls back on the correct use. Police are issued guns, batons, OC spray and tasers, but before they are allowed to use them, they must undergo certain training so the item may be used correctly, and safely.

Now, if you use anything mentioned above and you are not ready, or trained, then you MAY just find it is taken from you and used against you. I have seen it many many times and I have used OC spray on people and it has had no effect. So, please, please be VERY CAREFUL in using any type of implement or spray on someone that you may wish to expel from your near vicinity as you may well become the next murder victim. And I do not say this light heartedly....as I said, I have seen the results and one in particular was a 6'4" Maori who had a screwdriver removed from his possession and he was stabbed.

Sometimes the best defence is your mouth and the words that come out of it at the time !!

And OC (pepper) spray is illegal in many States of Australia, so be warned.

-- Edited by Dunco on Monday 25th of July 2011 12:45:04 PM