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Hi Ace Dove conversion pop top leaking


Hi everyone I have just purchased a 1990 Dove conversion Hi Ace. Mechanically it's great only 200,00 on the clock but the roof is a mess. There was a solar panel on the roof badly attached with pop rivets and silicon. Yes I know not to use silicon on fibreglass. When I took the panel off it had at some time, fairly recently caught fire and the wiring and controller were fried and the back of the panel black from smoke.So removing it was a good idea I reckon. There is also a piece of metal about 15cm x 10cm  pop riveted and and glued over a section of the roof. There are a lot of holes and crazing of the fibreglass and someone has done a bad job of painting over the whole lot. There is also a well in the middle of the roof which holds water when parked. This well is part of the original design, I wonder if it was where the original solar panel sat if there was one. The crimp weld needs to be replaced but that's easily achieved. My questions are.... If  I sand all of the roof back with course sandpaper, remove all the silicon and wash it all with acetone then have a bash at fixing it with fibreglass do you reckon it will be waterproof? Not sure how many layers of mat and resin to use and if a rookie who once fixed a few dings in her surfboard many many years ago could do a reasonable job or am I just going to make it all worse and devalue the van further? Money is an issue or I would just go to a repairer and get them to do it. What do you all think. I am a reasonably handy person and have done a lot of painting and renovating houses on my own, but I'm not a fibre glasser by any means. If it was new van I wouldn't attempt it at all. I would really value anyone's feed back. Has anyone done one before? Thank you Cheers Lynne



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Although there are a number of steps to making structural repairs, the process is very DIY-friendly. After cleaning the area with acetone solvent, smooth out the damage with a sander and coarse sandpaper, and then wipe again with acetone. Next, expand the area with the sander until achieving a 12-to-1 slope down to the deepest point, taking care to remove any sharp edges. Once again, remove dust with acetone. Cover the surrounding area with masking tape and paper.

Measure the repair site, and then cut six pieces of fibreglass cloth to size. Liberally apply a mixture of resin and catalyst to the site and, after a minute, adhere the smaller pieces of fibreglass cloth to the deeper points of the excavation, adding a coat of resin mixture on top. Roll out any air bubbles with a fibreglass roller. Continue applying the remaining layers of cloth in this manner. Once the final coat begins to gel, apply one additional layer of resin mixture, and let cure overnight.

The next day, wipe the repair area with acetone, lightly sand, and then wipe again. The process for finishing depends on the type desired. Most people choose one-part paint due to its relatively simple application; although gel-coat is more complicated, proper sanding and buffing can disguise application errors more than one-part paint. The final process, two-part paint, is expensive, difficult, and often unsafe for undertaking at home.

First link didn't work so I deleted.

www.boatus.com/boattech/casey/fiberglass-repair.asp

I hope these links help you work out which way you are going to repair - boat hulls are no different to your Dove camper roof.

Where are you located? There may be a small f/glass manufacturer that could do your repair with a chopper-gun for a reasonable if you did all the preparations - they buy the glass and resin at a fraction of the price that you will be able to.



-- Edited by Possum3 on Friday 31st of March 2017 04:19:31 PM

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Thanks for all the information I feel a little more confident than before.

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You Tube will give lots of instruction videos if you still nervous.

The secret to strength.
Is to roll as much rosin out of area as you can..
Then brush back over job with a little more Rosin.

lay next cover of mat, and roll that in.

You can buy special rollers for it at fibreglassers.
But we've normally made our own.
Short\small Paint roller handle. Handfull of washers, centres to suit.
two different outer dia's.
Stack along short end of handle, large\small dia alternately.
with lock tab on end. Make sure they roll free.

That will roll out the job nicely.
But it's a one off unless you have some acetone, Thinners.


I always start or finish. Or both. with a layer of cloth and\or tape.
It's stronger than the mat. That's just basically the filler.

If roof really thick in depth.
Get some Talcum powder.
and mix in with rosin for a denser filler.

If thicker again.
Get some ply and clear plastic for inside,

Nah.

Send email I'll send you an instruction from mate

who builds
epairs large glass boats for 50 yrs.

He glassed my first yacht in '64ish..

The most important thing though.

is rolling as much out as you can. 

If Rosin too thick. lay up a coupla layers of mat\tape

rolling t'ween 'em to soak it up.

Till You can see the tape? clearly.

Then as he said. as it starts to gel.

Top coat with a layer. add white filler if you want color.

Brush, Let it run itself out. and sand after dinner or in morn.

 

One thing we have done LOTS of with boats.

Is play with fillers and rosin even the steel yachts.

My 34 fter was faired smooth from Waterline  to gun whales.

Around 50 kg of it.

That was a lot of long board fairing. Good for shoulders.

Back in '83., launched '85.

 NOT.... By me, I bought her floating in '94.



-- Edited by macka17 on Saturday 1st of April 2017 08:57:51 PM

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Thanks macka. Im tempted to fill in the well thats in the middle of roof. It holds water in the rain and the roof slowly comes down with extra weight.Is there a product like polystyrene that is light and could be shaped to fit the well then fibreglass over the whole thing. I appreciate your help and will definitely get some rollers when i finally get the confidence and courage to go ahead. Cheers Lynne

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Thanks macka. Im tempted to fill in the well thats in the middle of roof. It holds water in the rain and the roof slowly comes down with extra weight.Is there a product like polystyrene that is light and could be shaped to fit the well then fibreglass over the whole thing. I appreciate your help and will definitely get some rollers when i finally get the confidence and courage to go ahead. Cheers Lynne

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closed cell foam, comes in different sheet thicknesses and can be shaped with knife, saw and sanded
cheers blaze

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Be aware that solvents and acetone may dissolve foam products - you may be better off using ply wood to fill your cavity.

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Possum3 wrote:

Be aware that solvents and acetone may dissolve foam products - you may be better off using ply wood to fill your cavity.


 Urethane foam was developed for use with fibreglass and has been used since the early 1970's.

If there's a boat builder near you you might be able to get what you need from them, along with some advice.



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Hmm Could be more than you bargained for.
Depending on roof assembly.
Could be easier to remove inner skin or parts of.
Insert some decent "timber? crossbraces to flex outer skin up and replace inner.
7plus ft width, would have fair flex there normally.
Hence cause more trouble\damage than it's worth.

Have a word with somebody who knows THAT roof b4 committing.

PS.

How deep is the "well" in centre. and central to roof or front\back more.

If deep roof probably better way is to get some timber crossrails made up.

then fit side to side across roof.

below or  flush on sides. level or slightly proud at centre to give run off???.

Also depends on inner liner composition.

 

Lots of ways.

If you don't know what you doing or mix incorrectly. you could find your "top hat" External centre piece, glued on roof. 

"toffing itself" to some passing veh's.no confuse confuse



-- Edited by macka17 on Tuesday 4th of April 2017 12:14:03 PM

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I am going to see a fibreglass guy on the weekend. He is going to give me a quote to fix it. The more info I get the more I realise I am out of my depth. I have put marine sikaflex over the holes and made an adjustable rod to support the roof as the canvas at the rear bows inward because of the weight of the water held in the well. I have also waterproofed the canvas. Hopefully all of these measures will hold until it can be fibreglassed. The well in the pop top is about 40mm deep and is the whole width of the pop top. I would love to know what was there before.

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