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the rocket · Guru

amps n vaults

dogbox · Guru

how big is the vault

yobarr · Guru

dogbox wrote:
how big is the vault

Big enough to vault over?

swamp · Senior Member

Vault is locked so cannot see inside .

Mike Harding · Guru

None, unless it's at ohm.

KJB · Guru

It has always been my belief that Blue sparks are Volts and the Orange sparks are Amps. And that's a fact.

the rocket · Guru

This is a serious question in techies corner. shame some do not see it that way. Sorry i asked.

Thanks kjb.

-- Edited by the rocket on Tuesday 25th of September 2018 05:04:00 PM

2weis · Senior Member

a quick google search would give an answer of:
The number of amps depends on the voltage. If the voltage is 1000 VOLTS, then there's 1 amp in 1 kilo volt amp. If the voltage is 1 volt, then there's 1000 amps. If there's 50 volts, then the amperage is 20 amps.
but surely you can see the HUMOUR in the replies

yobarr · Guru

the rocket wrote:
This is a serious question in techies corner. shame some do not see it that way. Sorry i asked.
Thanks kjb.

-- Edited by the rocket on Tuesday 25th of September 2018 05:04:00 PM

You may understand if you are able to determine exactly what a vault is? I know zilch about electricity,but I THINK that watts divided by VOLTS = amps? Our more informed members may well correct me,but I know nothing about vaults.Sorry.

Aus-Kiwi · Guru

Shocking !

patrol03 · Senior Member

Yes AK I'm becoming quite electric over all this. Where will it LEAD?

Aus-Kiwi · Guru

Whatever ewe do !!! DONT file it !!! Lol

Mike Harding · Guru

the rocket wrote:
This is a serious question in techies corner. shame some do not see it that way. Sorry i asked.

My apologies, I thought you were joking.

I'm sure there are tutorials on the net which will explain all this much better than I but:

In basic electrical theory there are three parameters which are of interest, Voltage (V=volts), Current (I=amps), Resistance (R=ohms).

Voltage is the level of the electrical force needed to force current into a circuit.

Current is the amount of electricity which the voltage forces through a circuit.

Resistance is ability (or lack of) of a circuit to pass current.

Every circuit may be mathematically reduced to a resistance measured in Ohms and the amount of current it passes is dependent upon the voltage applied to it.

We can calculate this because we know that Current = Voltage divided by Resistance or V = I/R

So if we have a circuit with a resistance of 12 ohms and we apply 12 volts to it then the above equation tell us that 1 amp will flow.

If we increase the applied voltage to 24 volts then 2 amps will flow.

That's a basic explanation, please ask if you seek more information.

Bukhouse · Veteran Member

Hi

Hard to explain this link will help you

https://www.reference.com/science/many-volts-1-amp-320c319a9f8d4e0d?qo=contentSimilarQuestions

Warren-Pat_01 · Guru

Hi the rocket,
Think of it this way - a circuit consists of 3 parts.
The volts as a energy source - battery or mains power (normally shown as "v" or in a power formula as "E"); resistance - the connection medium of wires, possible dry joints, switches, lights or whatever makes the circuit (always read as ohms or in power formulae as R) and current (always read as amps, or smaller milli, microamps, etc & in power formulae is recorded as "I").

When you connect a battery to a (or more) lights, providing the resistance is low, you will get current flow & the lights, etc will operate.

I mentioned power formulae P (power as watts) = E (volts) x I (amps); P = I squared x R; or E squared divided by R

Other members have shown some figures above.

mezza56 · Senior Member

Hey guys you never made fun of MACKA and his spelling was unbelievable , come to think of it I have seen quite a few posts with spelling stuff ups on this site, and they reckon young kids are illiterate these days .

Mike Harding · Guru

mezza56 wrote:
Hey guys you never made fun of MACKA and his spelling was unbelievable , come to think of it I have seen quite a few posts with spelling stuff ups on this site, and they reckon young kids are illiterate these days .

Since the very first days of the internet and before that bulletin boards (around 1988 in my experience) it has always been considered rude and cowardly to criticise people's spelling or grammar.

We have no idea of a poster's background, whether they had access to education or not, or indeed whether English is their second, or third or more, language.

In this case I think respondents were simply confused by the original question and thought it was a play on words.

Izabarack · Guru

the rocket wrote:
This is a serious question in techies corner.

-- Edited by the rocket on Tuesday 25th of September 2018 05:04:00 PM

What, like - What's the difference between a duck?

Iza

Aus-Kiwi · Guru

Auto correct stuffs things up too !!

T1 Terry · Guru

Maybe a boxing metaphor, Volts is the speed of the punch, amps is the muscle driving the punch and watts is the combined force of the punch. At any given moment in time, the combination of volts x amps will give the work effort that combination can deliver at that moment in time. Volts with no amps can not perform any work, nor can amps with no volts, it is only the combination of the two that can do any work. So the real question would be how many amps in a watt. To find that out you need to know how many volts, then divide the number of watts by the volts, and that will give you the number of amps.

T1 Terry

yobarr · Guru

T1 Terry wrote:
Maybe a boxing metaphor, Volts is the speed of the punch, amps is the muscle driving the punch and watts is the combined force of the punch. At any given moment in time, the combination of volts x amps will give the work effort that combination can deliver at that moment in time. Volts with no amps can not perform any work, nor can amps with no volts, it is only the combination of the two that can do any work. So the real question would be how many amps in a watt. To find that out you need to know how many volts, then divide the number of watts by the volts, and that will give you the number of amps.

T1 Terry

Thanks Terry....thats a great explanation,so simple that even I can understand! Cheers

Cupie · Guru

Let Me try - (I will restrict this description to a Battery situation, using a little of the Electron Theory to explain the situation)

Voltage/Potential Difference (PD)/E/Volts

These terms are used to describe & measure the force or energy that drives Current around an electric circuit.

In a battery situation, the chemical action within the battery produces an excess of electrons at its negative terminal. If you put a volt meter across the battery terminals it will measure the Potential difference in Volts. Volts = E

Current/Electron Flow/ I/Amps (Amperes)

These terms are used to describe the movement of electrons around an electrical circuit.

In a battery situation the excess electrons at the negative terminal are forced out of the battery and cause electrons to move around the circuit back to the positive terminal. If you put a meter in the circuit it will measure the current flow in units of Amps (or Amperes). Amps = I

Resistance /R/OHMS & Greek symbol Omega

These terms are used to describe the amount of opposition that the parts of the electrical circuit present to the flow of electrons. If you put a meter across individual parts of the electrical circuit it will measure the opposition in OHMS. Ohms = R (or Greek symbol Omega)

In answer to the question how many Amps are there in a Volt?

1 Volt = 1 Amp x 1 Ohm One volt will cause a current of 1 amp to flow through a circuit with a resistance of 1 OHM

ie. A PD of 1 volt causes a current of 1 amp to flow through a circuit with a resistance of 1 OHM.

Formulae E = IxR

By transposition - I = E/R so divide the voltage by the resistance & you have the number of amps.

edit ..

On re reading this I suppose that I assumed an understanding of Electron Theory. I could have gone off with a basic explanation of parts of the Electron Theory.

eg. Matter is composed of Atoms that are comprised of a Nucleus or centre around which Electrons rotate in fixed orbits (think of our solar system). Some of these atoms are loosely held in their orbits and are relatively 'free' to move into orbits in adjacent Atoms & dislodge other loose electrons in that atom which in turn move on. This electron movement may be described as Current flow (or electron flow).

Don't worry if my abbreviated explanation is not clear, some 50 years ago it took me around 3 or 4 40 minute periods to teach this stuff to Technical Trainees.

-- Edited by Cupie on Wednesday 26th of September 2018 05:55:05 PM

-- Edited by Cupie on Wednesday 26th of September 2018 05:57:13 PM

-- Edited by Cupie on Thursday 27th of September 2018 11:37:14 AM

-- Edited by Cupie on Thursday 27th of September 2018 11:44:48 AM

Aus-Kiwi · Guru

Explaining as water through a pipe is another . Simplifies things .https://www.windows2universe.org/physical_science/physics/electricity/circuit_analogy_water_pipes.html

-- Edited by Aus-Kiwi on Wednesday 26th of September 2018 09:52:55 PM

oldtrack123 · Guru

Aus-Kiwi wrote:
Explaining as water through a pipe is another . Simplifies things .https://www.windows2universe.org/physical_science/physics/electricity/circuit_analogy_water_pipes.html

-- Edited by Aus-Kiwi on Wednesday 26th of September 2018 09:52:55 PM

Ditto biggrin

Cupie · Guru

Interesting ... Tried that link a couple of times & got this. Might be blocked by Kaspersky or Duckduckgo or Chrome who knows. I'll just have to remain ignorant.

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You don't have permission to access /physical_science/physics/electricity/circuit_analogy_water_pipes.html on this server.

Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

PeterD · Guru

Cupie wrote:
Interesting ... Tried that link a couple of times & got this. Might be blocked by Kaspersky or Duckduckgo or Chrome who knows. I'll just have to remain ignorant.
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You don't have permission to access /physical_science/physics/electricity/circuit_analogy_water_pipes.html on this server.Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

Works OK for me in FF, Opera, and Chrome. Probably the way Kaspersky is setup. Do you have any other protection on the computer, it could be that and not K. Try switching K off whildt you try the link.

Izabarack · Guru

One standout problem with any water in a pipe analogy is the unintended understanding that electron flow is subject to gravity and that an open circuit does not stop the flow of electrons into free space. Once had a guy complain about a high elec bill caused by his kids leaving unused GPOs with the switch set to On. He believed the electricity continued to fall out of the wall socket on to the floor where it then evaporated, just like water would.

Iza

Ron-D · Guru

mezza56 wrote:
Hey guys you never made fun of MACKA and his spelling was unbelievable , come to think of it I have seen quite a few posts with spelling stuff ups on this site, and they reckon young kids are illiterate these days .

A lot of spelling mistakes come from the spellcheck you type a word in it corrects it to something else ,you dont Re read your post how many times does that happen,who cares anyway if someone makes a spelling mistake,well macka he spelt his own demise...

dogbox · Guru

the rocket wrote:

This is a serious question in techies corner. shame some do not see it that way. Sorry i asked.
Thanks kjb.

-- Edited by the rocket on Tuesday 25th of September 2018 05:04:00 PM

no malice or ridicule was intended sorry if you took it wrong

iana · Guru

Look at volts and amps this way, a pipe with flowing water. Volts is the water pressure, the force that determines how far the water spurts out the end. The diameter of the pipe will determine the flow. If there is a restriction in the pipeline, that's resistance. So the amount would be the pressure X flow.