"The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated"

mezza56 · Senior Member

Animal rights

vince56 · Senior Member

I can see this post getting some attention.... Well I for one absolutely disagree with the tactic of disrupting a city for their cause, they could have had their demonstration utilizing the police liaison and planning the event but no, the careless and arrogant decided to create havoc. These same people have raided restaurants and frightened and annoyed owners and patrons trying to push THEIR views onto others. I have seen the mistreatment of animals and I dislike it immensely, it should be curtailed, demonstrations like theirs does not help their cause.

These same people trespass and raid innocent, law abiding farms and have caused a lot of disruption. And I dare say a lot of them are on the dole or "students". Get a job!

mezza56 · Senior Member

Your right I dont condone how they went about it either, but their cause is a just one , your assumption that they are dole bludgers is stereotyping these people , they are just people that are sick of the issue being pushed aside. Check out the website and see what they are so passionate. But we are all entitled to our opinion .

blissonwheels · Senior Member

Gooday,

Perhaps this answers the question why they do not eat meat!.

-- Edited by blissonwheels on Tuesday 16th of April 2019 12:47:50 PM

-- Edited by blissonwheels on Tuesday 16th of April 2019 12:56:27 PM

The Belmont Bear · Guru

I watched a video last week on facebook that these so called Vegan activists had posted of themselves tresspassing on a farm, intimidating the owners, stealing livestock, jamming them in the back of mummy dears nice new Jeep GC and driving off with them. I would no more visit one of their websites than I would any other extremist group trying to force their personal points of view onto everyone else. Vince the young girls in the video didn't look like dole bludgers to me mainly because on welfare they wouldn't have been able to afford the leather boots that they were wearing. More like poor little rich kids with nothing better to do in life than interrupting law abiding citizens going about their normal business.

BB

Crinkle and Dobbie · Member

my signature I thinks say it all. Food for thought.

dogbox · Guru

one young lady that was involved in the goat café closures was on facebook crying that her life was in shambles and she was living in fear because she was being stalked for her involvement ( note: she was charged) two wrongs don't make a right but what did she expect to happen when they did something like that then plaster it all over social media

-- Edited by dogbox on Tuesday 16th of April 2019 02:54:49 PM

Umpie1 · Senior Member

The big problem with these vegan terrorists is that they try to imply that mishandling of animals is industry wide. I believe that the big majority of farms care for their animals and it is just a few cowboys or something taken out of context. It is easy to pick and choose from an interview or video to support a particular train of thoughts. These terrorists want to force their views on all of society. So don't get taken in by extremist propaganda. After all wasn't it Goebbels who said that if you keep saying the same thing over and over people will believe it is true. I wonder how any of the above posters would react if when sitting down to a meat meal there caravan/home gets suddenly invaded by these people?

Kebbin · Guru

If you don't want to know about both sides of the story and condemn one then that's plain bigotry. as for your statement dogbox the young lady would have expected harsh words and bigotry but to be stalked or followed or even worst, that's just psychopathic. This maybe a divisive subject but surely there is no protest if animals are treated humanely.

mezza56 · Senior Member

Blissonwheels your short sightedness is astounding , I'm not suggesting to be vegan , I eat meat , simply to treat animals no matter if a food source or not with compassion . Its sounds as though there are a few of you running scared of "terrorists or extremists breaking into your van and stealing your sausage.

Izabarack · Guru

Annoying the majority of the population has not helped the vegan cause. And I still don't know exactly want they want. If they want everyone to be vegan, then that is just silly. If they want an increase in animal welfare, then I am all for that. Causing distress to hard working and already drought stressed farmers has not gained them anything good.

Iza

Aus-Kiwi · Guru

Why pick on farmers ? Most look after their animals . Ok the dairy industry sends male bull calves to the works after 7 or so days . They cannot keep every calf born
. Sooner or latter someone is going to get hurt or more . What some of these people do is actually cause animal cruelty themselves to film and show Medea . Ok things happen when you rear 1000 cows or pics, chickens etc These people have no idea of animal husbandry!! They want farms and businesses to close down !! Seems we can all live off Centrelink.,

Craig1 · Guru

No A K, that's only kiwis who do that. Sorry mate, cheep shot

The Belmont Bear · Guru

Vegan activists force Victorian goat cafe closure | The West Australianhttps://thewest.com.au/.../vegan-activists-force-victorian-goat-cafe-closure-ng-b88116...

These so called activists whose actions some of you are defending cost 8 people who worked in the Goat Cafe their livelihood. What penalty did they receive for the illegal harrasment of staff, tresspassing, breaking bio security laws and stealing livestock a paltry $1 fine ... A bigot is someone who is intolerant of someone else's beliefs, ethnicity etc. I am not at all intolerant of these people's beliefs they can eat anything they like, protest all day long if they want to - what I am intolerant of is when they break the law by illegally harassing and bullying others who are trying to go about their normal business.

Vegans would do well to remember that plants have feelings too... biggrin biggrin biggrin

BB

mezza56 · Senior Member

Hey bb I'm not condoning any ones actions merely highlighting the in humane way a lot of mass farmed animals are treated I dont care if its a minority of farms or not ,its simply not right , you and others are so hooked up on what these people have done that your not acknowledging the wrong treatment of animals , get off your high horse and put the effort into stopping the ill treatment of animals .

Aus-Kiwi · Guru

Yea treated bad

Aus-Kiwi · Guru

Love our animals

The Belmont Bear · Guru

The facebook video that the cafe owners posted of this stunt received thousands of responses and from what I read they were running at least 20 to 1 against the protestors. What was interesting was that no one was actually addressing animal cruelty which was supposedly the point of the excercise they were in the main attacking this groups actions. The reputations of organisations who are legitimately fighting for animal welfare are also being damaged and they are going to find it harder and harder to gain the financial support that they need to survive.

Meza - in your OP about the vegan activity you said "I totally support these people bringing this reality to public awareness" now you are saying "I don't condone anyones actions" maybe I am mistinterpreting your point. I for one don't support the actions of this group and that has nothing to do with how I feel about the mistreatment of animals. Sorry if I sound like I am on my high horse but maybe you need to take your blinkers off and look at the damage that these vegans activists are doing to the animal welfare cause.

BB

Kebbin · Guru

noun, plural big·ot·ries.
stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

Ron-D · Guru

most if not just about all of the Australian population would not support animal cruelty its evil and stupid,we dont need to have the obvious rammed down our throats by Ferrell brain dead ratbags looking for a headline,disrupting business and causing trouble .

SouthernComfort · Guru

The Belmont Bear wrote:
"......maybe you need to take your blinkers off and look at the damage that these vegans activists are doing to the animal welfare cause."
BB

Couldn't agree more. If their agenda is seriously about animal welfare then they need a major re-think about their methods. Intentionally creating chaos and ruining livelihoods is not the way to do it and such extremism can't be justified as a credible or effective method of raising public awareness. The betterment of animal welfare with a specific focus on animal mistreatment is one of our key passions and the credible organisations my wife and I give our tangible support to will be desperate to distance themselves from this toxic element.

mezza56 · Senior Member

Aus kiwi for every right theres a wrong , not all animals live in bliss. Some of the replies are totally missing my point , what I support is people bringing awareness to animals plight in some forms of farming , these people are approaching the issue wrongly yes but at least they are doing something to raise the issue .

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Brenda and Alan · Guru

As I see it these people are vegans and want the whole world to become vegans. The protests claiming animal cruelty are just a means to that end. However if this ideal comes to pass these same animals will be slaughtered as they take up space where plants will be grown and or they will eat them. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

Alan

Izabarack · Guru

Have to agree with Alan's point. I have two puppy farms operating within a kilometre of where I live. These puppy farms are regularly visited by authorities such as the RSPCA, but never any vegan group kicking up about animal welfare. I also see a lack of effort by the vegans to convince feral cats to turn vegan and save the thousands of native animals torn to pieces every day. So, on the face of it, I am convinced that vegan terrorists are only concerned with having other people turning vegan.

Iza

Hewy54 · Senior Member

Through Blazeaid I have been involved in many farms over the last 4 years.
Every farmer I have worked with take a great deal of care with their animals - it is their livelihood.
Unfortunately their may be situations out there where animals are treated in an inhumane way. These need to be addressed in the correct way, not by invading private property and stealing animals.

If anyone chooses to be a vegan or vegetarian, that is their right.

I choose to eat meat and consume animal products, and that is my right.

dogbox · Guru

Kebbin wrote:

If you don't want to know about both sides of the story and condemn one then that's plain bigotry. as for your statement dogbox the young lady would have expected harsh words and bigotry but to be stalked or followed or even worst, that's just psychopathic. This maybe a divisive subject but surely there is no protest if animals are treated humanely.

what ever her intentions she thought it was bit of fun to ruin someones lively hood (no sign of mistreatment) but cries foul on social media when the shoe is on the other foot. as I stated
"two wrongs do not make a right"

Roy E · Senior Member

Phillipn · Guru

Kebbin wrote:
If you don't want to know about both sides of the story and condemn one then that's plain bigotry. as for your statement dogbox the young lady would have expected harsh words and bigotry but to be stalked or followed or even worst, that's just psychopathic. This maybe a divisive subject but surely there is no protest if animals are treated humanely.

Kebbin, are you a friend/mate of Mark Pearson? I know of one farm that he will not go back to. He got more than he bargained for.

He was on a property, without permission taking photos about 6 years ago on the north coast of NSW. The owner tackled him to the ground and took his camera off him. Then smashed the camera and took the SD card out.

I bet if these vegans turned up at this property, they would get the same treatment.

-- Edited by Phillipn on Thursday 18th of April 2019 08:52:14 PM

Kebbin · Guru

So phillip as you used my quote you must be upset that I spoke up for the young lady that was being stalked, in which case you must condone those actions. There was nothing in the statement referring to the subject other then 'animals should be treated humanely' and if you don't agree with that statement, then you have no hope.
So phillip what's your problem?

pomme · Senior Member

I personally think if a person has been convicted of a crime they should have their name put up for every one to know who is responsible.
Name them and shame them, i think there would be less petty crime, or any crime.
Pomme.