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Camping fridges


For my planned up coming trip i am going to get a camping fridge odds are it will be an waceo or engal.

But BCF have one that i can not find any info on in regards to how it preforms or lasts any info of quality on them are they new on the market or a relabe of some cheaper brand that need to steer clear of, i dont have an issue in dropin the 1k+ on the above said fridges max size would be 40lts.

https://www.bcf.com.au/p/xtm40-fridge-freezer-and-protective-cover-pack-37l/571913.html?cgid=BCF0235#start=2

Any and all feed back welcome.

Cheers Darren...



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If your looking at the XTM 40 @ $499 it comes with a 2 year warranty - Most probably made in same factory as Waeco Hard to beat.

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Hi Darren, Engel is the only camping fridge I would consider. But I would shop around for pricing and dont rely on camping shops for the lowest prices. I see in your intro post you are from south east QLD. Ive bought several Engel fridges over the years from a truck dealership in Toowoomba. A lot cheaper than camping shops!!!! If you are near Toowoomba at least try Westco truck sales. You can haggle with them a bit more than a purely retail outlet like bcf. You could save a few pennies and buy a cheaper brand but what do you do when your fridge dies in the middle of nowhere?? Its all good to have a fantastic warranty, in the meantime you lose your food on your way back to a city to get a new one !! Regards Pete.

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Yes have been looking at that 1...

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try tentworld i have found there prices on engel very good and if bcf is closer for you they price match tentworlds price and deals ie travel bag included no arguments at all .

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I always love the idea that Engel never die. Supposedly. All fridges have duds. If you are considering a Waeco at Waeco type prices, look at Evakool too esp their website specials. My TMX beats my CFX hands down in features and usability. Evakool still sell some Aust made kit.. If you are considering an Engel and can bear the prices, it's likely no one will convince you otherwise. As for the XTM, it's actually more likely to be a licenced copy of an older model, made who knows where, but not the Waeco factory. Buying by brand name is more a comment on human nature, not the products. Look at the features too, they aren't all the same.

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Thanks for ya feed back, plan on traveling for many moons to come and as the old saying goes you get what you pay for...



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I got my fridge from Tentworld when they were on sale, got a Waeco 28L, but that was the only fridge that fitted in the space I have.



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I went down the same road a dozen years ago; and at a BBQ one night whilst still procrastinating, one of my mates said quite sharply: "For .... Sake Hetho, just get an engel.

I did, and it has never let me down.

Hottest we have been is 48 in Port Hedland, lowest 2 in Tassy. Stays in the car at all times when travelling, so the temps will be a lot hotter if we are out somewhere and the car is locked up.

I have a mate with another popular brand and an Engel, and he wishes now that he had of purchased 2 x Engels.

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I always love the idea that Engel never die. Supposedly. All fridges have duds. If you are considering a Waeco at Waeco type prices, look at Evakool too esp their website specials. My TMX beats my CFX hands down in features and usability. Evakool still sell some Aust made kit.. If you are considering an Engel and can bear the prices, it's likely no one will convince you otherwise. As for the XTM, it's actually more likely to be a licenced copy of an older model, made who knows where, but not the Waeco factory. Buying by brand name is more a comment on human nature, not the products. Look at the features too, they aren't all the same.


 Haha. Brand name = human nature. Didnt realise waeco were available in the eighties when I bought my first Engel and its still going. Thanks for advice but.  Regards Pete 



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We've had an Evakool for ages and it seems bullet proof. Made on the Sunshine Coast not in some overseas factory.

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dabbler wrote:

I always love the idea that Engel never die. Supposedly. All fridges have duds. If you are considering a Waeco at Waeco type prices, look at Evakool too esp their website specials. My TMX beats my CFX hands down in features and usability. Evakool still sell some Aust made kit.. If you are considering an Engel and can bear the prices, it's likely no one will convince you otherwise. As for the XTM, it's actually more likely to be a licenced copy of an older model, made who knows where, but not the Waeco factory. Buying by brand name is more a comment on human nature, not the products. Look at the features too, they aren't all the same.


 Sorry missed the usability line.  What is that?   Just turn the fridge on and it keeps your food and beer cold !!!!   Thats all I want from a fridg. Regards Pete 



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Pete, dimensions, amount of control, type of feedback, lidded or drawer, daisy-chained power all affect usability. In my case, I couldn't open my fridge in it's original location unless it featured a lid that opened in different directions. The fixed lid most fridges offer would have been unusable. No offence to the OP but naming two brands without knowing models and their features is asking for a reinforcing of an existing thought process. Human nature to seek reinforcement. Also human nature to defend our choices.

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Really touched a nerve didn't I ? And I haven't even mentioned the Engel that failed within 30km of pickup. Two questions to ponder, no need to reply. 1) if all you care about is a cold fridge, why insist on a Engel ? and 2) thoughts on a Toyota tax ?

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Yep Engels are super reliable. Ive scraped 3 of them now all faulty compressors. Now have a Waeco & an Evacool fiberglass model. The Evacool fiberglass model is beter insulated than the Waeco.

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About 4 months ago I bought a 40 ltr dometic at BCF for $600 with $100 gift card. ( club members) Seems to be working well.

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our last Engel only lasted 4 yrs so bought an Evacool - not overly happy with it - failed after 9 mths and repaired under warranty. Turned itself off on the last trip at the end of a days travel - reverted to 240v overnight and then ran OK next day on 12v but am loosing confidence in it. Friends bought one from Aldi and have no problems after a year and think it came with a 5 yr warranty

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Had a CF50 Waeco for the past 11 years, taken all around Australia in the back of the Cruiser and never let us down.

The original Engel was renowned for it longevity, but that is not a guarantee that the current models will last the same, especially the new plastic one. I would hope the metal (read expensive ones) are still made the same.

You just have to get what suits your space and budget, and hope.

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Very happy with our ARB 60l, they also make a 40l.

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just to make your thought process more difficult.
I've never had a 12v fridge die on met yet (touch wood) , have had a few waecos, a cheap Giant (not so cheap now), a dometic and a vitrifrigo.
Not had an issue with any of them (all purchased 2nd hand too) . In fact, with all my mates I go 4wding with, I've not once heard of anyone with issues with their fridges, from engels all the way down to the cheaper aldi fridges.

If one of em had a crap one, they'd be whining about it, that's for sure.

Haven't had a beer handed to me out of any of them yet,  warm enough to knock back biggrin


True, you do get what you pay for but I think there's a break even point and then you're just paying more than you have to.
If it makes people feel warm and fuzzy to have a specific name on the side, then so be it.  


I'd say, just pick one at least of a branch you've heard of before, that fits where you need it to go and something you like the look of. 

Depending on your set up though, I'd also be checking out the power ratings/specs on them. 

Some can be much more power hungry than others. Look for real world tests though, not just what's on the website. 

 

cheers Brett 



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Well Im sorry I recommended Engel fridges. Judging by the replies Im just lucky none of my four Engels has ever failed. One of them(in my work ute) rarely ever gets turned off. Cant see myself ever commenting on this type of thing ever again. And cant help but wonder what this Toyota tax bull**** is about. This is a thread about camping fridges. Anyhow you live and learn. Regards Pete.

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Well Im sorry I recommended Engel fridges. Judging by the replies Im just lucky none of my four Engels has ever failed. One of them(in my work ute) rarely ever gets turned off. Cant see myself ever commenting on this type of thing ever again. And cant help but wonder what this Toyota tax bull**** is about. This is a thread about camping fridges. Anyhow you live and learn. Regards Pete.

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Buy a fridge to fit the space. Then if you feel inclined rip it apart & modify it. If my fridge fails I can only blame myself. The fridge has now done about 4000 km of corrugated roads & quite a few of them were seriously rough.

Modifications to my fridge. https://thegreynomads.activeboard.com/t65059593/extra-fridge-insulation-wattage-test/?page=last#lastPostAnchor

 



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We all learn what we learn from the road traveled, for each of us that experience is diffrent i thank you all for your feed back advice and experience.

Cheers Darren...

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We have a good friend who repairs all these portable fridges and has some he has rebuilt that I believe he would sell to a fellow gold prospector 

 

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Had a CF50 Waeco for the past 11 years, taken all around Australia in the back of the Cruiser and never let us down.

The original Engel was renowned for it longevity, but that is not a guarantee that the current models will last the same, especially the new plastic one. I would hope the metal (read expensive ones) are still made the same.

You just have to get what suits your space and budget, and hope.


The good friend showed me what the difference is between the earlier Engle fridges and the later one that have not quite as good a reputation for longevity. It is all to do with a change in the method of connecting the wire at the end of the solenoid wire, the early ones were soldered, the later one had a squashed clip connector and this snaps off and falls into the works in the bottom of the compressor. Because the compressor is a sealed unit, if you aren't sufficiently switched on and skilled, that is the end of that compressor and a replacement makes the repair not financially viable.

I won't hand out his name on here, he wouldn't thank me for it because his workload already stops him from getting away to go gold prospecting :lol: He lives less than a days drive away from me now, but he still can't seem to squeeze in a trip to the beautiful town of Mannum for a visit .. well that's the excuse he gives anyway :lol:

 

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One other thing, we have a Waeco 60ltr approx. 15 yrs old, one of the earlier ones before the 240vac was incorporated inside the unit. Hopeless without it outer jacket when in the heat, but fine with the jacket and will even freeze everything if the temp button accidently gets pushed so it selects a lower temp set point. We ended up taping a 50 cent piece over it after freezing the milk and tomatoes ... but the beer was excellent wink It did have problems if the battery voltage got low, even with the silly cigarette lighter socket with internal fuse removed and replaced with a Merritt (Hella) plug (a must for any thing that has a cigarette lighter plug on it) but once we upgraded to the lithium battery the voltage drop was a thing of the past and it has worked faultlessly since.

 

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A few more simple things for substantially increasing efficiency.

2 layers, 3 where possible, of foam between fridge & cover.

I added some acoustic foam which has good thermal properties to fill gaps.

Also a bit on the bottom of the fridge.

Velcro sewn on the cover & other half stuck on fridge, especially the exhaust side to stop hot air going up between the fridge & cover.

Insulation under the boot floor, in my case around spare wheel.

Cover fridge with white towel if necessary to keep sun off it.

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just to make your thought process more difficult.
I've never had a 12v fridge die on met yet (touch wood) , have had a few waecos, a cheap Giant (not so cheap now), a dometic and a vitrifrigo.
Not had an issue with any of them (all purchased 2nd hand too) . In fact, with all my mates I go 4wding with, I've not once heard of anyone with issues with their fridges, from engels all the way down to the cheaper aldi fridges.

If one of em had a crap one, they'd be whining about it, that's for sure.

Haven't had a beer handed to me out of any of them yet,  warm enough to knock back biggrin


True, you do get what you pay for but I think there's a break even point and then you're just paying more than you have to.
If it makes people feel warm and fuzzy to have a specific name on the side, then so be it.  


I'd say, just pick one at least of a branch you've heard of before, that fits where you need it to go and something you like the look of. 

Depending on your set up though, I'd also be checking out the power ratings/specs on them. 

Some can be much more power hungry than others. Look for real world tests though, not just what's on the website. 

 

cheers Brett 


 Brilliant answer Brett! :)

We've had Waeco, Evakool, Companion & even a cheap Aldi 40L Waeco knock off; none have failed. We just took our cheapie from Aldi with us up the Oodnadatta Track, Mt. Dare, Old Andado,  Santa Teresa to Alice, then home. It came with us last year up to Wanaaring, the Hamilton Gate, Thargo, Quilpie, Windorah, Haddon Cnr, Betoota, Birdsville & Alice via the Plenty Hwy, then home. No dramas! Same goes for the other fridges we own, or have owned. They came with us on similar trips & we had zero fridge problems :)



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Hi. Just over 8 years ago I bought an "EvaKool60" Fridge/Freezer. Made in Qld for Australian Conditions. It does NOT need an insulated "cover" to help keep things cold.

I considered that both Engel and Waeco were initially made for the European environment, where the ambient temperatures rarely get above 30 degrees C. Here in Aust we experience 40+ Centigrade. My EvaKool is running 24 / 7, when not in the caravan on the road it is my beer fridge at home in Sydney South West. 

I did ask myself why a Fridge would need a padded cover, if in fact it is designed for our climate.

Cheers all. KB



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