Gravy73 wrote:

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First time I have seen this data collated.

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 Hi Graeme. Initially I was going to refrain from commenting on this,but I couldn't help myself,as there is not one vehicle on that list that can safely reach its claimed towing capacity.Not one. There are various reasons for this,but the main one is that the low rear-axle capacity of all of these cars. Providing "information" such as that listed only gives a false sense of security to those who have NO understanding of weights,and encourages recently retired Ma and Pa Kettle,who have never driven anything bigger than a Corolla,to rush out and buy the flash 6000kg GCM twin-cab ute,hook up the flash 3500kg ATM van,and set sail to see the world.This is an accident looking for a place to happen,as always the weight on the wheels of the car should be at least 10% more than the weight on the van's wheels if safety is of any concern.This can never be achieved with tge listed cars if they're towing at their rated maximum.Please note,Graeme,that this is in no way a criticism of you,as your intentions are good,but information such as that provided no doubt contributes to many caravan accidents.Cheers

KevinJ wrote:

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I thought the Isuzu MUX was 3000kg Max Tow Capacity with a 300kg Tow Ball weight.

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 Good point there,Kevin! Although I was aware of that limitation,I was more interested in some of the other vehicles.Like all other cars on the list,the MUX has NO chance of safely towing the ATM van that it is rated to tow,in this case a 3000kg van,although a friend of mine proudly tells that he and his wife completed a "full lap mate" with an MUX towing a van that weighed "just over 3 ton mate"."No worries mate". He tells anyone who'll listen that this great feat was achieved because he is "highly experienced",and "drives to the conditions mate".He was far from impressed when I told him that his great "achievement" was more a result of good luck than good management.Cheers.

-- Edited by yobarr on Friday 6th of August 2021 04:28:16 PM

In their new specs, they claim axles are upgraded(mux mob)

Vehicle weights are specified with only 10 litres of fuel on board something to be considered when calculating available payload.

Mate I have just been through a circus to find a tug that I can legally tow my van with an upgraded ATM of 2700 kg and tow bar download of 246kg. I got severely bitten, the original compliance plate ATM was 2240 which I could have just legally towed with my Hilux with a GCM of 5030. A trip over the scales destroyed all past beliefs with the added factor of having to get an ATM upgrade.

Sale of the Hilux plus a Volvo XC60 resulted in purchase of a Land Rover Discovery which gives me considerable latitude to tow legally, Land cruisers were not in my budget.

I feel for others caught in this present loop of vehicle and caravan sales misinformation, it is time for the bureaucrats to get involved to protect purchasers. The 3500 tow ratings have to be amended and Compliance Plate values must be based upon a loaded van with accessories fitted and water tanks and gas bottles full.