New China Virus identified

Brodie Allen · Guru

New China Virus identified

tea spoon · Senior Member

i posted on another forum ..............................we will not see the end of this within 5 years or more ...........we my partner and i will hopefully survive till we get there ........many more will pass away before this is done ........the only chance we have is the jab this only lightens the effects if you get the covid .......sadly many dont want the jab so they are likely to expire ......

Dicko1 · Senior Member

tea spoon wrote:
i posted on another forum ..............................we will not see the end of this within 5 years or more ...........we my partner and i will hopefully survive till we get there ........many more will pass away before this is done ........the only chance we have is the jab this only lightens the effects if you get the covid .......sadly many dont want the jab so they are likely to expire ......

The virus will most likely mutate and we will have this virus for life, like the flu. I think it is time to change the name from Corona Virus to Fools Virus. Only a fool would not get the jab (medical exemptions of course). Anyone rejecting getting the vaccine should not be allowed in hospital if they do contract the disease and if hospitalisation is required...the victim should pay for the full cost of their hospitalisation as a result of their stupidity. Heaps of anti- vaxers now getting the virus and dying. Everyone all stating that they wish they had of got the jab...unfortunately too late for many of them. In future the vast majority of deaths will be amongst the unvaccinated...

Dick0 · Guru

Dicko1 wrote:
tea spoon wrote:
i posted on another forum ..............................we will not see the end of this within 5 years or more ...........we my partner and i will hopefully survive till we get there ........many more will pass away before this is done ........the only chance we have is the jab this only lightens the effects if you get the covid .......sadly many dont want the jab so they are likely to expire ......
The virus will most likely mutate and we will have this virus for life, like the flu. I think it is time to change the name from Corona Virus to Fools Virus. Only a fool would not get the jab (medical exemptions of course). Anyone rejecting getting the vaccine should not be allowed in hospital if they do contract the disease and if hospitalisation is required...the victim should pay for the full cost of their hospitalisation as a result of their stupidity. Heaps of anti- vaxers now getting the virus and dying. Everyone all stating that they wish they had of got the jab...unfortunately too late for many of them. In future the vast majority of deaths will be amongst the unvaccinated...

WOW!

Liamray · Member

The history of human coronaviruses began in 1965 when Tyrrell and Bynoe found that they could passage a virus named B814. It was found in human embryonic tracheal organ cultures obtained from the respiratory tract of an adult with a COMMON COLD!

As far these mutated strains go, coronavirus only mutated after experiments were carried out by the United States who sort to use Gain of Function research to allow the Virus to be more easily passed onto humans and make it more infectious.

So you believe that no one has the right to make their own decisions? I wonder how youd feel if the Government banned anyone say over 60 from towing a caravan or driving anything other than a standard family sedan? Because they believed that you were too old to Safely tow a caravan or drive a heavy vehicle?

To say what you said about those who want the freedom to choose whether to get vaccinated or not, simply shows how stupid and selfish you are. It is a PROVEN FACT THAT THOSE WHO ARE FULLY VACCINATED CAN CATCH AND PASS ON THE VIRUS JUST AS EASILY AS THOSE WHO ARE UNVACCINATED!

I am not Anti Vaccine, if you want to take it then go for it I dont care one way or the other ITS YOUR CHOICE! But I am PRO FREEDOM OF CHOICE and like I respect your Right to have the Vaccine, you should respect the Rights of those who choose not to get Vaccinated!

vince56 · Senior Member

I think anyone considering not to get the jab should write a letter to everyone else who has been vaxxed, thanking the majority for partially protecting their minority.
We have short memories, we don't suffer Polio, Yellow Fever, Measles (except those who don't vax their kids), Smallpox, TB, etc etc etc, BECAUSE the vast majority were Vaxxed over the past 50 years or so, THIS IS HOW we get over these diseases, by getting jabbed with a vaccine.
Simple Really......

Santa · Guru

"I am not Anti Vaccine", here we go again, these anti vaxers won't miss up an opportunity to shout out on their misguided views.

"respect the Rights of those who choose not to get Vaccinated!" Rubbish, these self centered people only take from society and refuse to contribute anything in return.

oldbloke · Guru

Liamray wrote:
The history of human coronaviruses began in 1965 when Tyrrell and Bynoe found that they could passage a virus named B814. It was found in human embryonic tracheal organ cultures obtained from the respiratory tract of an adult with a COMMON COLD!

As far these mutated strains go, coronavirus only mutated after experiments were carried out by the United States who sort to use Gain of Function research to allow the Virus to be more easily passed onto humans and make it more infectious.
So you believe that no one has the right to make their own decisions? I wonder how youd feel if the Government banned anyone say over 60 from towing a caravan or driving anything other than a standard family sedan? Because they believed that you were too old to Safely tow a caravan or drive a heavy vehicle?
To say what you said about those who want the freedom to choose whether to get vaccinated or not, simply shows how stupid and selfish you are. It is a PROVEN FACT THAT THOSE WHO ARE FULLY VACCINATED CAN CATCH AND PASS ON THE VIRUS JUST AS EASILY AS THOSE WHO ARE UNVACCINATED!
I am not Anti Vaccine, if you want to take it then go for it I dont care one way or the other ITS YOUR CHOICE! But I am PRO FREEDOM OF CHOICE and like I respect your Right to have the Vaccine, you should respect the Rights of those who choose not to get Vaccinated!

Please if your going to use the word fact make sure it is. That statement is simply bull sh1t.

Only about 15 to 20% of vaccinated catch it and spread it. It's the spreading of the above bull sh1t that is the problem.

What you don't mention is the vaccinated don't die. The unvaccinated do. Make your choice but don't put other people at risk by taking a hospital bed. Your the selfish one.

Cupie · Guru

oldbloke wrote:
Liamray wrote:
The history of human coronaviruses began in 1965 when Tyrrell and Bynoe found that they could passage a virus named B814. It was found in human embryonic tracheal organ cultures obtained from the respiratory tract of an adult with a COMMON COLD!

As far these mutated strains go, coronavirus only mutated after experiments were carried out by the United States who sort to use Gain of Function research to allow the Virus to be more easily passed onto humans and make it more infectious.
So you believe that no one has the right to make their own decisions? I wonder how youd feel if the Government banned anyone say over 60 from towing a caravan or driving anything other than a standard family sedan? Because they believed that you were too old to Safely tow a caravan or drive a heavy vehicle?
To say what you said about those who want the freedom to choose whether to get vaccinated or not, simply shows how stupid and selfish you are. It is a PROVEN FACT THAT THOSE WHO ARE FULLY VACCINATED CAN CATCH AND PASS ON THE VIRUS JUST AS EASILY AS THOSE WHO ARE UNVACCINATED!
I am not Anti Vaccine, if you want to take it then go for it I dont care one way or the other ITS YOUR CHOICE! But I am PRO FREEDOM OF CHOICE and like I respect your Right to have the Vaccine, you should respect the Rights of those who choose not to get Vaccinated!
Please if your going to use the word fact make sure it is. That statement is simply bull sh1t.
Only about 15 to 20% of vaccinated catch it and spread it. It's the spreading of the above bull sh1t that is the problem.

What you don't mention is the vaccinated don't die. The unvaccinated do. Make your choice but don't put other people at risk by taking a hospital bed. Your the selfish one.

I prefer not to get involved in these Covid arguments. IMHO it just creates bad feelings & changes nothing .. but

In this case I just had to say thanks to OLDBLOKE for putting the case so clearly. I couldn't agree more.

For everybody's sake just go & get vaccinated.

Peter_n_Margaret · Guru

Cheers,

Peter

Dick0 · Guru

vince56 wrote:
I think anyone considering not to get the jab should write a letter to everyone else who has been vaxxed, thanking the majority for partially protecting their minority.
We have short memories, we don't suffer Polio, Yellow Fever, Measles (except those who don't vax their kids), Smallpox, TB, etc etc etc, BECAUSE the vast majority were Vaxxed over the past 50 years or so, THIS IS HOW we get over these diseases, by getting jabbed with a vaccine.
Simple Really......

Not sure whether the logic is correct.

All the diseases you listed were one jab vaccines that gave you a small dose of the disease and let your antibodies thereafter fully control immunity.

Covid is not a one jab solution. You require a booster, not just once, probably twice a year forever until a fully effective vaccine is developed. Don't forget the vaccine is still experimental.

The jab does not invoke the virus to let your antibodies fully control immunity.

The jab will, however, assist you from severe suffering of the virus but will not prevent you from infection or transmission.

More persons die annually and/or are hospitalized from the flu than currently from Covid.

So the same logic can be applied to the flu jab. Will it be mandatory from now on?

If you came from a Marxist Socialist/Communist environment you would then understand that, indeed, you were required to write to the Authorities or those that agreed with the System, as to why you had differing views to the State.

The Thought Police would not be kind to you.

Freedom of choice was paramount to those populations and in the end we won our sought after freedoms so views could be written openly on forums like here.

Be careful what you wish for. smile smile smile

montie · Guru

Cupie wrote:
oldbloke wrote:
Liamray wrote:
The history of human coronaviruses began in 1965 when Tyrrell and Bynoe found that they could passage a virus named B814. It was found in human embryonic tracheal organ cultures obtained from the respiratory tract of an adult with a COMMON COLD!

As far these mutated strains go, coronavirus only mutated after experiments were carried out by the United States who sort to use Gain of Function research to allow the Virus to be more easily passed onto humans and make it more infectious.
So you believe that no one has the right to make their own decisions? I wonder how youd feel if the Government banned anyone say over 60 from towing a caravan or driving anything other than a standard family sedan? Because they believed that you were too old to Safely tow a caravan or drive a heavy vehicle?
To say what you said about those who want the freedom to choose whether to get vaccinated or not, simply shows how stupid and selfish you are. It is a PROVEN FACT THAT THOSE WHO ARE FULLY VACCINATED CAN CATCH AND PASS ON THE VIRUS JUST AS EASILY AS THOSE WHO ARE UNVACCINATED!
I am not Anti Vaccine, if you want to take it then go for it I dont care one way or the other ITS YOUR CHOICE! But I am PRO FREEDOM OF CHOICE and like I respect your Right to have the Vaccine, you should respect the Rights of those who choose not to get Vaccinated!
Please if your going to use the word fact make sure it is. That statement is simply bull sh1t.
Only about 15 to 20% of vaccinated catch it and spread it. It's the spreading of the above bull sh1t that is the problem.
What you don't mention is the vaccinated don't die. The unvaccinated do. Make your choice but don't put other people at risk by taking a hospital bed. Your the selfish one.
I prefer not to get involved in these Covid arguments. IMHO it just creates bad feelings & changes nothing .. but
In this case I just had to say thanks to OLDBLOKE for putting the case so clearly. I couldn't agree more.
For everybody's sake just go & get vaccinated.

I too try to refrain from responding to Covid posts but I definitely agree with Oldbloke. Our only way out of this is to get vaccinated.

It is the 20% who won't get vaccinated that will, when restrictions get lifted, be the ones who will get sick or die and clog up our hospital systems.

Bang on about your "freedom of choice" and your "rights" all you like but you do not have the right to put other people's lives at risk.

Dick0 · Guru

Brodie Allen wrote:
Twice as virulent as Delta.

When will we ever get an uninhibited holiday.

I don't hold out much for big laps anytime soon.

From NEWS:
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/doomsday-covid-variant-detected-in-south-africa-even-worse-than-delta-strain/news-story/cd272bb749122954f3e58322be40be53
"A doomsday Covid variant has been detected in South Africa and there are warnings it is worse than the Delta variant.
A new preprint study by South Africas National Institute for Communicable Diseases warns the new variant has mutated substantially and is more mutations away from the original virus detected in Wuhan than any other variant previously detected.
The new variant, known as C. 1.2, first emerged in South Africa but has also been detected in England, China, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Mauritius, New Zealand, Portugal and Switzerland".

If it gets hold here kiss goodbye all the freedoms promised for getting both jabs to 80% immunity. It will all be irrelevant.

This will be the trigger for the States to take greater control of the population for the good of Health.

If you think you have it bad now...

oldbloke · Guru

This was accurate yesterday.
The Last RH Column indicates the prediction of how many deaths we would have had if AU managed covid the same as the country on that row. As an example, if we were in the same situation as our Kiwi brothers we would have had, in theory, about 138 deaths in AU. Sweden, 37,230 deaths. The point being we have so few because covid has been managed. It is an estimation but shows that comparing covit with the flu is nonsensical.

Explanation

Column B= total population

Column C= total deaths

Column D= ratio to deaths. UK= 1 in 514 people have died

Column E= ratio to AU. UK their death rate is 48.7 x higher than AU

Column F= how many deaths we would have had if covid had been managed the same as that country. UK / AU 50,296 deaths

Magnarc · Guru

Liamray, you say you are not anti vaccine. If this is the case,

GET THE BLODDY VACCINE. Try thinking of your fellow aussies instead of your own selfish motives. If your post was intended to be a S--t stir we don't need your sort on the forum.

Do the right thing! The situation we are in is dire, personal freedoms count for nought in these times and we all need to do whatever is necessary to beat this virus.

-- Edited by Magnarc on Sunday 5th of September 2021 02:28:03 PM

-- Edited by Magnarc on Sunday 5th of September 2021 02:35:48 PM

Dicko1 · Senior Member

Dick0 wrote:
vince56 wrote:
I think anyone considering not to get the jab should write a letter to everyone else who has been vaxxed, thanking the majority for partially protecting their minority.
We have short memories, we don't suffer Polio, Yellow Fever, Measles (except those who don't vax their kids), Smallpox, TB, etc etc etc, BECAUSE the vast majority were Vaxxed over the past 50 years or so, THIS IS HOW we get over these diseases, by getting jabbed with a vaccine.
Simple Really......
Not sure whether the logic is correct.
All the diseases you listed were one jab vaccines that gave you a small dose of the disease and let your antibodies thereafter fully control immunity.
Covid is not a one jab solution. You require a booster, not just once, probably twice a year forever until a fully effective vaccine is developed. Don't forget the vaccine is still experimental. Sorry mate...that is absolute bullsh#te.
The jab does not invoke the virus to let your antibodies fully control immunity.
The jab will, however, assist you from severe suffering of the virus but will not prevent you from infection or transmission.
More persons die annually and/or are hospitalized from the flu than currently from Covid. Once again more rubbish..
COVID-19: Current COVID-19 deaths*
Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide.
The COVID-19 situation is changing rapidly. Since this disease is caused by a new virus, the vast majority of people do not yet have immunity to it. Doctors and scientists are working to estimate the mortality rate of COVID-19, but at present, it is thought to be substantially higher (possibly 10 times or more) than that of most strains of the flu.
*This information comes from the Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases map developed by the Johns Hopkins Center for Systems Science and Engineering.
So the same logic can be applied to the flu jab. Will it be mandatory from now on?

If you came from a Marxist Socialist/Communist environment you would then understand that, indeed, you were required to write to the Authorities or those that agreed with the System, as to why you had differing views to the State.
The Thought Police would not be kind to you.

Freedom of choice was paramount to those populations and in the end we won our sought after freedoms so views could be written openly on forums like here.

Be careful what you wish for.

montie · Guru

Dicko1 wrote:
Dick0 wrote:
vince56 wrote:
I think anyone considering not to get the jab should write a letter to everyone else who has been vaxxed, thanking the majority for partially protecting their minority.
We have short memories, we don't suffer Polio, Yellow Fever, Measles (except those who don't vax their kids), Smallpox, TB, etc etc etc, BECAUSE the vast majority were Vaxxed over the past 50 years or so, THIS IS HOW we get over these diseases, by getting jabbed with a vaccine.
Simple Really......
Not sure whether the logic is correct.
All the diseases you listed were one jab vaccines that gave you a small dose of the disease and let your antibodies thereafter fully control immunity.
Covid is not a one jab solution. You require a booster, not just once, probably twice a year forever until a fully effective vaccine is developed. Don't forget the vaccine is still experimental. Sorry mate...that is absolute bullsh#te.
The jab does not invoke the virus to let your antibodies fully control immunity.
The jab will, however, assist you from severe suffering of the virus but will not prevent you from infection or transmission.
More persons die annually and/or are hospitalized from the flu than currently from Covid. Once again more rubbish..
COVID-19: Current COVID-19 deaths*
Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide.
The COVID-19 situation is changing rapidly. Since this disease is caused by a new virus, the vast majority of people do not yet have immunity to it. Doctors and scientists are working to estimate the mortality rate of COVID-19, but at present, it is thought to be substantially higher (possibly 10 times or more) than that of most strains of the flu.
*This information comes from the Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases map developed by the Johns Hopkins Center for Systems Science and Engineering.
So the same logic can be applied to the flu jab. Will it be mandatory from now on?

If you came from a Marxist Socialist/Communist environment you would then understand that, indeed, you were required to write to the Authorities or those that agreed with the System, as to why you had differing views to the State.
The Thought Police would not be kind to you.

Freedom of choice was paramount to those populations and in the end we won our sought after freedoms so views could be written openly on forums like here.

Be careful what you wish for.

Cobblers!

Plain Truth · Guru

So people are saying,it is necessary that the individual should finally come to realise that his own ego is of no importance in comparison with the existence of the nation,that the position of the individual is conditioned solely by the interests of the nation.

So do what is right for the nation.

Dicko1 · Senior Member

Plain Truth wrote:
So people are saying,it is necessary that the individual should finally come to realise that his own ego is of no importance in comparison with the existence of the nation,that the position of the individual is conditioned solely by the interests of the nation.
So do what is right for the nation.

If not for the nation do it for your kids, parents, mates, community and for the overworked health workers who often have to care for the anti vaxxers, egotists and downright stupid who dont give a f about anyone except themselves.

Dick0 · Guru

montie wrote:
Dicko1 wrote:
Dick0 wrote:
vince56 wrote:
I think anyone considering not to get the jab should write a letter to everyone else who has been vaxxed, thanking the majority for partially protecting their minority.
We have short memories, we don't suffer Polio, Yellow Fever, Measles (except those who don't vax their kids), Smallpox, TB, etc etc etc, BECAUSE the vast majority were Vaxxed over the past 50 years or so, THIS IS HOW we get over these diseases, by getting jabbed with a vaccine.
Simple Really......
Not sure whether the logic is correct.
All the diseases you listed were one jab vaccines that gave you a small dose of the disease and let your antibodies thereafter fully control immunity.
Covid is not a one jab solution. You require a booster, not just once, probably twice a year forever until a fully effective vaccine is developed. Don't forget the vaccine is still experimental. Sorry mate...that is absolute bullsh#te.
The jab does not invoke the virus to let your antibodies fully control immunity.
The jab will, however, assist you from severe suffering of the virus but will not prevent you from infection or transmission.
More persons die annually and/or are hospitalized from the flu than currently from Covid. Once again more rubbish..
COVID-19: Current COVID-19 deaths*
Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide.
The COVID-19 situation is changing rapidly. Since this disease is caused by a new virus, the vast majority of people do not yet have immunity to it. Doctors and scientists are working to estimate the mortality rate of COVID-19, but at present, it is thought to be substantially higher (possibly 10 times or more) than that of most strains of the flu.
*This information comes from the Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases map developed by the Johns Hopkins Center for Systems Science and Engineering.
So the same logic can be applied to the flu jab. Will it be mandatory from now on?

If you came from a Marxist Socialist/Communist environment you would then understand that, indeed, you were required to write to the Authorities or those that agreed with the System, as to why you had differing views to the State.
The Thought Police would not be kind to you.

Freedom of choice was paramount to those populations and in the end we won our sought after freedoms so views could be written openly on forums like here.

Be careful what you wish for.

Cobblers!

One word to describe the suffering in human history. Amazing!

msg · Guru

montie wrote:
Dicko1 wrote:
Dick0 wrote:
vince56 wrote:
I think anyone considering not to get the jab should write a letter to everyone else who has been vaxxed, thanking the majority for partially protecting their minority.
We have short memories, we don't suffer Polio, Yellow Fever, Measles (except those who don't vax their kids), Smallpox, TB, etc etc etc, BECAUSE the vast majority were Vaxxed over the past 50 years or so, THIS IS HOW we get over these diseases, by getting jabbed with a vaccine.
Simple Really......
Not sure whether the logic is correct.
All the diseases you listed were one jab vaccines that gave you a small dose of the disease and let your antibodies thereafter fully control immunity.
Covid is not a one jab solution. You require a booster, not just once, probably twice a year forever until a fully effective vaccine is developed. Don't forget the vaccine is still experimental. Sorry mate...that is absolute bullsh#te.
The jab does not invoke the virus to let your antibodies fully control immunity.
The jab will, however, assist you from severe suffering of the virus but will not prevent you from infection or transmission.
More persons die annually and/or are hospitalized from the flu than currently from Covid. Once again more rubbish..
COVID-19: Current COVID-19 deaths*
Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide.
The COVID-19 situation is changing rapidly. Since this disease is caused by a new virus, the vast majority of people do not yet have immunity to it. Doctors and scientists are working to estimate the mortality rate of COVID-19, but at present, it is thought to be substantially higher (possibly 10 times or more) than that of most strains of the flu.
*This information comes from the Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases map developed by the Johns Hopkins Center for Systems Science and Engineering.
So the same logic can be applied to the flu jab. Will it be mandatory from now on?

If you came from a Marxist Socialist/Communist environment you would then understand that, indeed, you were required to write to the Authorities or those that agreed with the System, as to why you had differing views to the State.
The Thought Police would not be kind to you.

Freedom of choice was paramount to those populations and in the end we won our sought after freedoms so views could be written openly on forums like here.

Be careful what you wish for.

Cobblers!

Cobblers! ? How about a statement as to why its cobblers? I hate people who answer comments like that. Totally meaningless. Did you treat your customers like that when they came to you with an issue? Show a bit of respect.

msg · Guru

Liamray, Haven't you learned yet that you cannot have an opinion or thought that is not in agreement with the thought police on this forum. Remember, and learn very quickly.

Dicko1 · Senior Member

msg wrote:
Liamray, Haven't you learned yet that you cannot have an opinion or thought that is not in agreement with the thought police on this forum. Remember, and learn very quickly.

Like you msg, he has an opinion but often opinions are just that! Not facts or truths. Sometimes just a one word statement that means nothing. Opinions are fine but posting rubbish doesn,t do you any favours. Many people begrudge facts getting in the way of a good "story".

Brodie Allen · Guru

I don't think that you can take the position with any surety that these vaccines are not rather
experimental. History resounds with medications that managed short-term benefits and
devastating results which only became apparent after long-term.

And as far as I can determine, this is pretty much first cab off the rank with this type of vaccine.

Remember Thalidomide!

Santa · Guru

msg wrote:
Liamray, Haven't you learned yet that you cannot have an opinion or thought that is not in agreement with the thought police on this forum. Remember, and learn very quickly.

Everyone is entitled to a considered opinion msg, however once you start spouting misinformation and blatant rubbish you rapidly lose credibility and respect. wink

TheHeaths · Guru

Liamray wrote:
I am not Anti Vaccine, if you want to take it then go for it I dont care one way or the other ITS YOUR CHOICE! But I am PRO FREEDOM OF CHOICE and like I respect your Right to have the Vaccine, you should respect the Rights of those who choose not to get Vaccinated!

I agree with this point Liamray, that people have the freedom of choice to choose or refuse vaccination. We should not want to see any erosion of that right.

I just want those that choose to refuse vaccination, and assert their freedom of choice, acknowledge and accept that same right of business and others to exercise their freedom of choice to exclude non vaccinated people if they so wish. That is a consequence of freedom of choice, that it can cut both ways.

As it appears a majority of the population agrees with vaccination, based on numbers asserting their freedom of choice and getting vaccinated, that outcome (the exclusion of unvaccinated people) would seem to be reasonable, and many would support such exclusions. I fear, however, that some unvaccinated people will suggest that such a freedom of choice impinges on their rights again, and they should be allowed to override the businesses freedom of choice to exclude them, and be allowed access to those things that seek to exclude them. I expect to see many outraged posts, emails and news reports as more and more things become dependent on being vaccinated, as the majority seek to impose their freedom of choice and rights on the minority.

Like many things, people only raise this issue of freedom of choice and rights when someone elses freedom of choice, or rights impinges on them, and it becomes the age old question of whose rights rule. I suspect the majority choice should prevail.

Brodie Allen · Guru

A good article that includes info re the coming (here now)
MODERNA vac.

Also some good general info.

www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/australias-great-new-covid19-vaccine-hope-is-about-to-arrive-the-moderna-jab-heres-what-you-need-to-know/news-story/52f0297c84c9633dd3654db5ab3892f9

I don't understand the reason that certain vaccines are only available for different age groups.
I wouldn't like to think that it is a rationing ploy! That would insinuate an intolerable discrimination IMHO.

And here is an up-to-date comparison of the different vaccines:

https://myacare.com/blog/comparison-of-covid-19-vaccines

-- Edited by Brodie Allen on Monday 6th of September 2021 09:07:07 AM

montie · Guru

msg wrote:
montie wrote:
Dicko1 wrote:
Dick0 wrote:
vince56 wrote:
I think anyone considering not to get the jab should write a letter to everyone else who has been vaxxed, thanking the majority for partially protecting their minority.
We have short memories, we don't suffer Polio, Yellow Fever, Measles (except those who don't vax their kids), Smallpox, TB, etc etc etc, BECAUSE the vast majority were Vaxxed over the past 50 years or so, THIS IS HOW we get over these diseases, by getting jabbed with a vaccine.
Simple Really......
Not sure whether the logic is correct.
All the diseases you listed were one jab vaccines that gave you a small dose of the disease and let your antibodies thereafter fully control immunity.
Covid is not a one jab solution. You require a booster, not just once, probably twice a year forever until a fully effective vaccine is developed. Don't forget the vaccine is still experimental. Sorry mate...that is absolute bullsh#te.
The jab does not invoke the virus to let your antibodies fully control immunity.
The jab will, however, assist you from severe suffering of the virus but will not prevent you from infection or transmission.
More persons die annually and/or are hospitalized from the flu than currently from Covid. Once again more rubbish..
COVID-19: Current COVID-19 deaths*
Flu: The World Health Organization estimates that 290,000 to 650,000 people die of flu-related causes every year worldwide.
The COVID-19 situation is changing rapidly. Since this disease is caused by a new virus, the vast majority of people do not yet have immunity to it. Doctors and scientists are working to estimate the mortality rate of COVID-19, but at present, it is thought to be substantially higher (possibly 10 times or more) than that of most strains of the flu.
*This information comes from the Coronavirus COVID-19 Global Cases map developed by the Johns Hopkins Center for Systems Science and Engineering.
So the same logic can be applied to the flu jab. Will it be mandatory from now on?

If you came from a Marxist Socialist/Communist environment you would then understand that, indeed, you were required to write to the Authorities or those that agreed with the System, as to why you had differing views to the State.
The Thought Police would not be kind to you.

Freedom of choice was paramount to those populations and in the end we won our sought after freedoms so views could be written openly on forums like here.

Be careful what you wish for.

Cobblers!
Cobblers! ? How about a statement as to why its cobblers? I hate people who answer comments like that. Totally meaningless. Did you treat your customers like that when they came to you with an issue? Show a bit of respect.

You obviously have not read my post on the matter and I am certainly not reposting it for you.

It would however, be a good idea for you get your facts right before you go spruiking on the keyboard! smile

Dicko1 · Senior Member

Brodie Allen wrote:
I don't think that you can take the position with any surety that these vaccines are not rather
experimental.
Youre a guinea pig for taking the vaccine.
Well, no youre not a guinea pig. The insinuation of this comment is that you or your family or friends are being used to test the vaccine. This is not the case as the vaccinations have gone through rigorous testing before being used on people.
Previously, some vaccines had taken years to develop. However, due to a range of measures the Covid vaccinations were created, tested and authorised at a rapid rate.
The simplest reason for this is due to the size and severity of the virus.
With millions of people being infected and dying from Covid countries and companies shared data and processes where they may not have before.
Vaccine developers conducted some stages of the process simultaneously to gather as much data as quickly as possible.
They also created vaccines using messenger RNA (mRNA), a new technology that allows a faster approach than the traditional way vaccines are made
And another key aspect was because Covid is so contagious and widespread, many volunteers who got the vaccine were exposed to the virus, and with so many exposures, the trials took a shorter time to see if the vaccine worked.
History resounds with medications that managed short-term benefits and
devastating results which only became apparent after long-term.

And as far as I can determine, this is pretty much first cab off the rank with this type of vaccine.

Remember Thalidomide!