Yobarr:

I have only one word to say to you... paragraphs.... :)

yobarr wrote:

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 Mike, I'm not sure if you're simply being pedantic,

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Yobarr!

Coming from the man who frequently corrects people's grammar that is priceless :)

Craig1 wrote:

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Yobarr, just try " Enter or Return " every couple of sentence's, after your full stop and space bar. That will at least give a small break.

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 Thanks Craig. I'll give that a shot! Cheers

Bobdown wrote:

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Craig1 wrote:

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Yobarr, just try " Enter or Return " every couple of sentence's, after your full stop and space bar. That will at least give a small break.

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 Yobarr should give us all a small break from the usual Ram 1500, LC 200 lecture every time he makes a post........

Shouldn't this be in the weights section anyway? 

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As always, Bob, great to see your another of your positive contributions. The reason that I chose the General section for this thread is that this is where newbies and others with little understanding of weights would be more likely to stumble across the topic and be alerted to another of the many dangers faced by the gullible, and those that are uneducated in weights etc. As you'd no doubt understand, ignorance is bliss.                               My rote-learning method of presenting indisputable facts is a most effective method of alerting owners to the inadequacies of vehicles that may have been misrepresented to them at the time of purchase.The fact that owners are not overjoyed by my indisputable advice is of little concern to me. Don't shoot the messenger. Cheers

P.S Nic's cafe does a lovely breakfast, does it not?

Bobdown wrote:

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yobarr...it's been done to death, and I'm not talking about your punctuation marks. 

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 Bob, surely you would realise that no matter how many times something is written, always there will be new readers, be they members new to the forum, or current members who have suddenly realised, or suspect, that their weights are not quite right and are seeking help. This is why many of my posts appear repetitive.  Using your logic, would you suggest that because the local maths teacher taught maths in 2022 he should not bother teaching  maths in 2023? Of course not. New pupils. Simple stuff. Because last years students should already have learned the lessons there is no need for them to take part. Same here. If my posts discuss WDHs or the inadequacies of certain vehicles, and you think  that  you already know about such things or have no interest in learning, just skip to the next topic. The distressed couple that I helped last week thought  that because they had a GVM upgraded LC79 and were towing a caravan with ATM of only 2600kg, everything would he Honky Dory. It wasn't, and their car's rear axle was overloaded to the point of stupidity.  These are the sorts of people that I regularly help, sometimes by PM, sometimes in person, and if my posting of their experience helps just one other person to avoid falling for the spiel of caravan sellers or car salesmen, it will all have been worthwhile. The more often I point out the indesputable inadequacies of the 2 vehicles you mention, the greater is the chance of me helping prevent another poor buyer falling for the rubbish in the advertising brochures, and the spiel of a slick salesman. Cheers

P.S You no doubt will have noticed that for around 2 months I posted very little. This was because I was doing loooong hours on the Roadtrain and couldn't devote the time, or the level of concentration needed to post helpful facts. A dispute over meals saw me park the truck,start the car and depart. Too old to bother with people who try to change the rules in the middle of the game! Have a  great Xmas Bob. Cheers

RickJ wrote:

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Hi Yobarr,

Have you ever given any thought to becoming a weights advisor for the towing fraternity?

It appears that you have a caravan and a vehicle that is all compliant and with a little sign writing and maybe some printed point check forms and informative pamphlets and business cards you could become the

*Wandering Weight Warrior*

travelling our land and ensuring that all those who dont know about towing weights, actually learn from an expert.

Rather than rely on public weighbridges, for not too much cost you could invest in a set of those portable type scales that would then give you the flexibility to correct those needing correction while on the spot.

Food for thought yobarr.

PS if you use that WWW for a business name I want a kickback. 

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Hi Rick. What you suggest sounds like a great idea, but I get great satisfaction from simply helping those folk who don't really understand weights, or have been led astray by shifty salesmen, or by well-intentioned but ill-informed friends, family or forum members. Small family type businesses are OK because their staff are unlikely to be on a commission-based income structure. One of the biggest problems I face when addressing a group of caravanners is the one Big Mouth Know-it-all who knows nothing but argues everything. It is not uncommon for me to simply stop, then say "Hey I'll do the talking. You do the listening". Sometimes the noisy one takes his bat and ball, and heads for home, but usually his mates will then tell him to simply listen. Once they actually stop arguing with me,and listen to what I'm saying  they soon realise that I know what I'm talking about. Many times on this forum I have been challenged to produce evidence of qualifications, and every time my response has been the same. With weights there is no need for any formal qualifications, as it's all simple physics. One does not need to be a meteorologist to know it's raining!  Cheers

Edit: To suggest to someone that they could upgrade to 2900 kg on a single axle van is not good advice IMHO, off road van or not.

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Hi Bob. Forgot to address your assertion above. This van already had AGR (Axle Group Rating) of  2600kg, so 2900kg ATM was simply a number I picked to illustrate a point. If he chose to upgrade his  AGR above 2800kg he would have needed to fit 12" brakes, I believe. There are some who claim that ATM can't exceed AGR, but they're wrong. As far as I can recall you're allowed up to 3000kg on a single axle, and this fella already was running 2600kg on his car's rear axle! My car (and van) tyres are rated at 1550kg each. Cheers

Blues Man wrote:

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Mike Harding wrote:

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Yobarr:

I have only one word to say to you... paragraphs.... :)

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I agree with Mike Harding Yobarr, you must learn to paragraph.

I started to read your post then about half way through it i gave up . All the words were so   close together that  i lost my place 

and then i gave up reading the rest , but hey , each to their own.

Cheers.

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 Hi Patrick. Perhaps, unlike Mike, you have not seen my previous explanations of why my posts have no paragraphs, as such. You can rest assured that I have a very good command of grammar, punctuation and the English language, but my iPad won't play the game! 

If I start a new paragraph at the left margin, when I post the script  the paragraph seems to start in any one of a number of places on the viewer's screen.

In order to assist those whose concentration span does not seem long enough to uninterruptedly read a few lines I will make enquiries with an iPad expert when next I am in a bigger town. Cheers.

yobarr wrote:

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RickJ wrote:

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Hi Yobarr,

Have you ever given any thought to becoming a weights advisor for the towing fraternity?

It appears that you have a caravan and a vehicle that is all compliant and with a little sign writing and maybe some printed point check forms and informative pamphlets and business cards you could become the

*Wandering Weight Warrior*

travelling our land and ensuring that all those who dont know about towing weights, actually learn from an expert.

Rather than rely on public weighbridges, for not too much cost you could invest in a set of those portable type scales that would then give you the flexibility to correct those needing correction while on the spot.

Food for thought yobarr.

PS if you use that WWW for a business name I want a kickback. 

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Hi Rick. What you suggest sounds like a great idea, but I get great satisfaction from simply helping those folk who don't really understand weights, or have been led astray by shifty salesmen, or by well-intentioned but ill-informed friends, family or forum members. Small family type businesses are OK because their staff are unlikely to be on a commission-based income structure. One of the biggest problems I face when addressing a group of caravanners is the one Big Mouth Know-it-all who knows nothing but argues everything. It is not uncommon for me to simply stop, then say "Hey I'll do the talking. You do the listening". Sometimes the noisy one takes his bat and ball, and heads for home, but usually his mates will then tell him to simply listen. Once they actually stop arguing with me,and listen to what I'm saying  they soon realise that I know what I'm talking about. Many times on this forum I have been challenged to produce evidence of qualifications, and every time my response has been the same. With weights there is no need for any formal qualifications, as it's all simple physics. One does not need to be a meteorologist to know it's raining!  Cheers

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 Yobarr, I have noted that you have been asked on many occasions to qualify your knowledge or more to the point, the advice you offer to others.

As I was reading some posts of yours it got me wondering how valid your advice is when you clearly and openly state that the use of a WDH when towing a caravan is not required and I have noticed that you have gone further at times suggesting that the use of such equipment would be dangerous in your opinion.

It is a brave man that may be quoting information which may be in fact incorrect and that the recommendation of not using approved equipment that has been designed and marketed to achieve a certain result, might be bordering on litigious.

I am not here arguing that you are in fact correct or incorrect, I dont know and will leave it to others.

The forum admin is very liberal when it comes to some comments within topics on here. I wonder if their concern would ever be related to the possibility of incorrect and, or, dangerous advice being offered.

I wonder also could the forum become liable for permitting comments, if they were deemed to be dangerous or litigious in a court of law.

Your reference to others in previous topics at times has been quite demeaning to those members.

Maybe if you were to become a recognised instructor or to gain some cred, you might follow a new tactic to get your view across.

Here is a small tale which may help you when trying to help others.

An old man meets a young man who asks:

Do you remember me?

And the old man says no. Then the young man tells him he was his student, And the teacher asks:

What do you do, what do you do in life?

The young man answers:

Well, I became a teacher.

ah, how good, like me? Asks the old man.

Well, yes. In fact, I became a teacher because you inspired me to be like you.

The old man, curious, asks the young man at what time he decided to become a teacher. And the young man tells him the following story:

One day, a friend of mine, also a student, came in with a nice new watch, and I decided I wanted it and I stole it, I took it out of his pocket.

Shortly after, my friend noticed the flight and immediately complained to our teacher, who was you. Then you went to the class:

This students watch was stolen during classes today. Whoever stole it, please return it.

I didnt give it back because I didnt want to. Then you closed the door and told us all to get up and you were going to search our pockets one by one until the watch was found. But you told us to close our eyes, because you would only look for his watch if we all had our eyes closed.

So we did, and you went from pocket to pocket, and when you went through my pocket, you found the watch and took it. You kept searching everyones pockets, and when you were done you said

open your eyes. We have the watch.

You didnt tell me and you never mentioned the episode. You never said who stole the watch either. That day you saved my dignity forever. It was the most shameful day of my life.

But this is also the day my dignity was saved and I decided not to become a thief, a bad person, etc. You never said anything, nor even scold me or took me aside to give me a moral lesson, I received your message clearly.

And thanks to you, I understood what a real educator needs to do. Do you remember this episode, professor?

And the professor answers:

I remember the situation, the stolen watch, which I was looking for in everyones pocket, but I didnt remember you, because I also closed my eyes while looking.

This is the essence of teaching:

If to correct you must humiliate; you dont know how to teach.