Alice Springs

Xyz · Veteran Member

RE: Alice Springs

Aussie1 · Guru

DMaxer wrote:
Well Aussie1, do you think the situation we are seeing in some of these towns would be resolved if we just arrested everyone and gave them lengthy gaol terms?
Do you think that would stop those people gaoled from reoffending after they were released and stop everyone else who was not in custody, from offending.
You don't think it is a good idea to look at how some other countries have handled issues such as ours. Why is our situation different?
Serious question.

Serious answer, I have made my position quite clear. I have made no reference to gaol time by the way. To add anything further may well "inflame" the situation and I will not be drawn into any form of Q & A from anyone on this forum. I simply post my personal thoughts (as much as the forum police allow). I have nothing further to add. By the way I also made it clear I have no interest in other countries problems or how they have or have not handled them. Trust this is a serious enough answer.

Cheers Cobber.

DMaxer · Guru

If you don't wish to share your knowledge then that is your right Aussie 1. It is just that when you said the front line workers were not being supported by the judiciary I thought you were about to offer a solution. I can't see why that would be shut down. i thought you might have had in mind a revolutionary diversion program or a community style involvement as you seemed to have ruled out custodial sentences.

Sorry to question you. I was just curious to see how you would treat 10-16 year olds that would firstly solve the problem and secondly convince others not to follow in their footsteps as no other solution has been found.

In answer to your question Xyz, I haven't heard anymore from him. I hope he comes to the party, the bloody thing is going to cost about $1400.

I always like to hear people's views regarding sentencing and crime prevention. I remember when my office was broken into twice in a week I didn't exactly think a group discussion was the answer.

-- Edited by DMaxer on Sunday 29th of January 2023 07:11:57 PM

Xyz · Veteran Member

Easy money DMaxer, but I doubt the invisible man will payup
MIKE, ARE YOU THERE?????
cheers
IAN

86GTS · Senior Member

Xyz wrote:
Easy money DMaxer, but I doubt the invisible man will payup
MIKE, ARE YOU THERE?????
cheers
IAN

Still no reply. Typical of his ''create a storm them duck for cover down a Wombat hole'' mentality.

Hairyone · Veteran Member

Xyz wrote:
Slightly over the top, just take care when visiting and keep things locked up.
It sounds as if a "lot" of the trouble is at night, l think most of us oldies are all tucked away at those times, again if out and about late, take care
As far as avoiding totally, a bit hard to do if your travelling up that way?

-- Edited by Xyz on Saturday 28th of January 2023 04:49:15 PM

Not over the top at all, and if you think being tucked up in your van makes you safe, think again.....

Tony LEE · Guru

https://www.facebook.com/Action-for-Alice-2020-111304870409274/?mibextid=ZbWKwL

Mike Harding · Guru

Tony LEE wrote:
https://www.facebook.com/Action-for-Alice-2020-111304870409274/?mibextid=ZbWKwL

Well that is odd!

I get nearly all my Australian news from the ABC and they have hardly mentioned Alice Springs for ages but according to that Facebook page it's akin to a war zone.

dogbox · Guru

according to miss LT it is a war. an she is doing her best to rally the troops which i do not think help the situation in anyway .
any solution will take generations to show any benefits. the alcohol bans may be the first step but it is only a band aide.

Craig1 · Guru

" Our ABC ", ha ha, too busy reporting on assorted marches in Melbourne.

Gary and Barb · Senior Member

Hmmm...
We seem to have kidnapped the OP and exposed each other's prejudices. All a bit divisive and self-defeating, I think.
Let's get back to practical discussions that seek to solve the problems (deliberately plural!) without personalising. Blaming someone else is merely a thinly disguised way of absolving oneself from responsibility.
Simplistic solutions to a complicated problem are easy to make - but can they work to the satisfaction of the everyone?
Let's support Alice Springs to work it out with help from experts and governments in a way that doesn't demonise anyone.
They can identify the problems, address the causes, propose and then implement the solutions.
A complex and lengthy process, no doubt, but more likely to succeed than any tenuous knee-jerk reactions.

-- Edited by Gary and Barb on Tuesday 7th of February 2023 07:17:33 PM

Cuppa · Guru

Mike Harding wrote:
Gary and Barb wrote:
Hmmm...
We seem to have kidnapped the OP and exposed each other's prejudices. All a bit divisive and self-defeating, I think.
Let's get back to practical discussions that seek to solve the problems (deliberately plural!) without personalising. Blaming someone else is merely a thinly disguised way of absolving oneself from responsibility.
Simplistic solutions to a complicated problem are easy to make - but can they work to the satisfaction of the everyone?
Let's support Alice Springs to work it out with help from experts and governments in a way that doesn't demonise anyone.
They can identify the problems, address the causes, propose and then implement the solutions.
A complex and lengthy process, no doubt, but more likely to succeed than any tenuous knee-jerk reactions.
What a load of pontificating tripe.

What a rude & unfriendly response. It is precisely that sort of rude intolerance which dissuades others from posting.

Plain Truth · Guru

Cuppa wrote:
Mike Harding wrote:
Gary and Barb wrote:
Hmmm...
We seem to have kidnapped the OP and exposed each other's prejudices. All a bit divisive and self-defeating, I think.
Let's get back to practical discussions that seek to solve the problems (deliberately plural!) without personalising. Blaming someone else is merely a thinly disguised way of absolving oneself from responsibility.
Simplistic solutions to a complicated problem are easy to make - but can they work to the satisfaction of the everyone?
Let's support Alice Springs to work it out with help from experts and governments in a way that doesn't demonise anyone.
They can identify the problems, address the causes, propose and then implement the solutions.
A complex and lengthy process, no doubt, but more likely to succeed than any tenuous knee-jerk reactions.
What a load of pontificating tripe.
What a rude & unfriendly response. It is precisely that sort of rude intolerance which dissuades others from posting.

Cuppa nobody stops other people posting,but if people disagree with you ,you certainly try to stop them. This is a forum everyone,everyone can different views.

Mike Harding · Guru

Cuppa wrote:
It is precisely that sort of rude intolerance which dissuades others from posting.

If they don't post how do you know?

Gary and Barb · Senior Member

Yep, Mike!

Predictable response given your other posts, I guess.

You just confirmed to me that your attitude is the problem - not the cure.

Gary and Barb · Senior Member

All too aggressive for me.
I'll wait for some sanity on here.... and probably go kick the dog.... biggrin

Xyz · Veteran Member

Gary and Barb wrote:
All too aggressive for me.
I'll wait for some sanity on here.... and probably go kick the dog....

You have to forgive MH, he spends most of his time alone in a forest, sadly this seems to have effected his thinking.

Show some compsssion and humour him biggrin

Ian

Cuppa · Guru

Ivan 01 wrote:

I find Cuppa rude aggressive and self opinionated and he is not capable of sensible debate.

Ivan, I have never been completely sure whether your forté of accusing others of forum behaviours which you so frequently display yourself is deliberate, or whether you actually just lack insight.

If I had to choose I'd probably plump for the latter.

By all means continue to snipe whenever the opportunity arises, whenever you think you may get a bit of support, but I suggest that to do so only illuminates the chip on your shoulder a little more each time.

-- Edited by Cuppa on Wednesday 8th of February 2023 07:43:11 AM

Cuppa · Guru

Plain Truth wrote:

Cuppa nobody stops other people posting,but if people disagree with you ,you certainly try to stop them. This is a forum everyone,everyone can different views.

I'll place that in the 'perpetuating a myth' category PT.

I think it is called 'The Illusory Truth Effect' a central tenet of classic propaganda. The phrase "Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth' is often attributed to Joseph Goebbels.

If you can give even one single example where I have ever tried to stop anyone posting either because they disagreed with me, or indeed for any other reason at all, please do so. More unsupported accusations or hearsay don't count.

If not let's give that one a rest eh?

I have consistently argued that robust & respectful debate & tolerance of difference is something to be encouraged, it is what makes a healthy forum. Some however appear to interpret views expressed which contradict their own, are somehow a personal attack, at least that is the only explanation I can attribute to the many personal attacks which have been made on me, presumably either a defensive response to a perceived attack, or just a case of plain old attempted bullying.

-- Edited by Cuppa on Tuesday 7th of February 2023 11:44:15 PM

dogbox · Guru

here we go again same people same attitudes no wonder so many debates end up getting shut down , play the ball not the man.
stop and think ,would i say these things if we were sitting around a campfire face to face ?

TheHeaths · Guru

Im with your comments Dogbox.

I find irony rife, and self awareness lacking, on many threads.

This one is a good example.

-- Edited by TheHeaths on Wednesday 8th of February 2023 08:52:56 AM

Webmaster · Guru

Thanks everyone I will close this now. Please ensure that posts are focused on the topic rather than on the person who posted.