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Number 1's and Number 2's - What do you or your friends do? - Contents Disposal?


Something we all do but nobody seems to talk about much.  Some have porta potties others use buckets or other containers.   What do you or others use and how do you dispose of the contents?  This applies to caravan parks (not everyone wants to go out in the rain or cold at night, also for security reasons.  And of course in free camping/overnight spots as well.

I don't have a porta potti and for No1's I use "Billie Bucket" and my wife uses a suitably shaped "Jilly Jug".  No 2's are confined to caravan parks, service stations, shops/park toilets etc, and in dire circumstances to bush/shovel in suitable locations.
We also carry a "hospital pan" for emergencies where there may be no suitable cover (bushes/trees) outside, haven't had to use it yet, but it is there just in case. 

Disposal;  In caravan parks, those with buckets usually empty them in the morning either into the toilet pans or sometime the laundries have a toilet pan for disposing of nappy contents which are best as they have a tap there.  Those with porta potties normally use a "dump" point provided in the caravan parks as most use chemicals and a lot of caravan parks have septic tanks and the chemicals would kill the bacteria in the tanks that break down the solids.  What do you or your friends do? 

A couple of funny stories to kick this off;  

1.  There was this poor chap at a caravan park whose wife had used a bucket when she had to go, trouble was, when she got up from squatting on it, the bucket stuck to her bottom and as she stood up the bucket fell off and went everywhere in their caravan.  Hubby had to clean up the mess.

2.  Another incident was where this couple pulled up alongside the road as his wife wanted to "pee" using their porti potti which was in the back of there vehicle.  He got it out, opened the doors on the offside and put the porta pottie between the doors for her privacy.  Only trouble was, the road verge was sloped loose gravel and wifey and porta potti took off and landed in a heap at the bottom in a very undignified pose.

3.  A club I was in had this couple and in the morning it was hubby's job to take their "Billie Buckets" over to the toilet to empty them of their overnight No 1's.  We couldn't restrain ourselves from laughing as his bucket was blue, and hers was pink.  Colour coded, now that's what I call organised ! He He.

4.  On a sparsely bushed road in a remote area, we saw a car parked alongside the road facing the opposite direction, a male was looking back down the road and his wife was a few feet from the edge squatting down doing a No1 facing in the same direction, all exposed in our direction.  They didn't hear us coming until the last moment, and looking back in our direction the wife fell over backwards.  I wanted to bip the horn but my wife wouldn't let me.

5.  A female friend of mine was working on a camping tour bus as a cook and the bus stopped in a desert region with just a few small shrubs around.  The bus driver sent the men to the right on the opposite side of the road and the women to the left on the bus side of the road for privacy.  This friend said she had squatted down behind a small bush that gave waist high privacy, however in the middle of her "task" a large high tourist bus pulled up behind the other bus and she looked up to see she had an audience all staring out of the window down at her. Ha Ha.

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-- Edited by Vic41 on Thursday 18th of June 2009 12:52:13 PM

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A lot of RV clubs are coming on board with the "Leave No Trace" Scheme and are urging RV'ers to either be self contained when camping. Some are also urging local councils to provide overnight parking on town showgrounds and other rest or free camping areas only to those who are fully self contained. What is the LNT? See "Leave No Trace" scheme thread for more info.

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-- Edited by Vic41 on Thursday 18th of June 2009 05:09:19 PM

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Number 1's & 2's are completley biodegradeable and should be dumped in either a dump point or away from any natural watercourse.
I have a you beaut modification to my Loo that makes it chemical free and to a degree composting so I can safely empty it anywhere as long as it's away from the general areas of habitation, if not in a dump point I dig a hole and bury it.

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Hey whats wrong with you people.Who wants to know how you attend to your personal waste disposal problems.Just use commonsense and decency.Were we all not potty trained as kids.

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Onya ibbo - you beat me to it....lol...



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Hey Basil, what is your "you beaut modification"?  The recommended chemical is an expensive item.blankstare

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RobCol wrote:

Hey Basil, what is your "you beaut modification"?  The recommended chemical is an expensive item.blankstare



Here is the link; all illustrated with pictures.....

 http://www.activeboard.com/forum.spark?forumID=51933&p=3&topicID=25392715



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Now, at some time or another most of us have had the experience of dealing with soiled diapers. The cloth kind that one re-uses, I mean.
Years ago a product appeared on the supermarket shelves with which it became necessary only to soak the article over night and rinse clean the next day.
The name "Napisan" became generic; like "Hoover" for vacuum cleaners.
Now, what that stuff could do for baby poo; the most toxic, most bacterially polluted substance known to mankind (with the possible exception of the saliva of the Komodo Dragon) can likewise work for the alimentary waste products of adults of the species.
In a rare case of perversity, the in-house brands of our two major supermarket chains actually are more efficacious than the proprietary brands, containing approximately twice the proportion of the active ingredient, sodium percarbonate.
As the end product of it's use is water, some hydrogen peroxide and oxygen sterilised body waste, there is absolutely no negative impact on the environment consequential upon it being released into the ground, and no unpleasant odours whatsoever.
Cheap, too, in comparison with the often highly dangerous proprietry brands of potty chemicals.
Try it. You'll never regret it.

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I use my own home made toilet chemical from borax, cloudy ammonia and disenfectant. It's toilet friendly, but I us the dunny dump in the park to dispose. It costs about $5 for 5 litres to produce. It's a recipe passed on to me by a fellow traveller.
In the bush you get the "dunny digger" (spade) and take the rolls for a run to a bush far enough away from camp, and to afford privacy, and bury it.
What's hard about that? Common sense must kick in some time soon, I hope.
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ibbo wrote:

Hey whats wrong with you people.Who wants to know how you attend to your personal waste disposal problems.Just use commonsense and decency.Were we all not potty trained as kids.



Ibbo & Sue, there are a lot of people new to caravanning that may wonder about these things and what people do, so the post was more to help them out with info.  There are a lot of people who don't do the right thing, I am sure you both have seen the toilet paper confetti and "logs" left on the ground at roadside stops and overnighters, I have stood on them and once spent a bit of time cleaning my tyres with a stick where I had run over some....so what happened to their potty training........they must have forgotten about it.  I have seen people rinsing their pee buckets in the toilet block sinks (yes the ones you wash your face and shave in).   I have also stood in things in the showers that would turn your stomach, there are some bloody grubs and inconsiderate people around.  Only a few months ago in a Family Park I saw a bloke washing his baby's bum in a sink, using toilet paper to clean it under the running tap after it had poo'd its pants.........then left the "yellow" coloured splashed water all around the sink bench when he departed.   Commonsense and decency ????? Not everybody.   And I know from feedback from others and having seen it myself how many come out of toilets after having done their No 2 and leave without washing their hands.

No one is asking anyone to comment here on their or others habits if they don't want to, why is it that people are so afraid of discussing what are human functions when RV'ing?  It is part of the lifestyle.

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-- Edited by Vic41 on Thursday 18th of June 2009 10:02:17 PM

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Hi Granny, sounds like a good "recipe" that has stood the test of time. What quantities/measurement do you use of each?

Others on another forum swear by the stuff Rolly is talking about (generic brand type Napisan) in the toilet as Rolly has said, and also for soaking the porta potti in before storage to clean out any residual gunk etc.

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Howdy, how much "Napisan" do you put in the cassette, I presume you mix with water???
Very useful ideas have come up on this subject!!
Thanks for your reply
Colleen

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G'day - what do you prepare mixture in and in what quantities, and what do you store it in? Sounds much much cheaper!!
Cheers Colleen

Oh forgot to mention this is for Granny and her "home mix"

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We were on a bus tour in the bush once and at the morning tea break we were directed to the toilets Ladies LaverTREEto the left Mens LaverTREE to the right

We used to belong to a service club and spend quite a few outings in the back blocks of the farms.To keep us ladies happy the club purchased a portopotty. They also made a 2 sided sign. The sign would go on one side of the tree and the portopotty on the other.

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Part of the lifestyle?I would like to think that we are all civilised enough to do the right thing.I understand your comments and the reason for them. I have my opinion about personal hygiene which I keep to myself.

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ibbo wrote:

Part of the lifestyle?I would like to think that we are all civilised enough to do the right thing.I understand your comments and the reason for them. I have my opinion about personal hygiene which I keep to myself.



Your comment is noted Ibbo, and your choice of opinion respected,

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Howdy, how much "Napisan" do you put in the cassette, I presume you mix with water???
Very useful ideas have come up on this subject!!
Thanks for your reply
Colleen



Hi Colleen, I haven't got a porta pottie, but I would assume the mix would be the same as the directions on the product for soaking nappies in water etc.  As Rolly says, the generic products (found in Coles/Woolies etc) are just as good and a lot cheaper. 

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RobCol wrote:

Howdy, how much "Napisan" do you put in the cassette, I presume you mix with water???
Very useful ideas have come up on this subject!!
Thanks for your reply
Colleen



Hi Colleen, I haven't got a porta pottie, but I would assume the mix would be the same as the directions on the product for soaking nappies in water etc.  As Rolly says, the generic products (found in Coles/Woolies etc) are just as good and a lot cheaper. 

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G'day,

Below is the recipe for the Napisan Toilet treatment

RECIPE

3 Dessert spoons of Homebrand Nappy Treatment Plus or Coles Napicare (Antibacterial Action, Triple enzyme powered, no phosphorus, septic tank safe)
1 Dessert spoon of Yoghurt.  (Optional)
½ litre or water

METHOD
Put ingredients into the holding tank and empty out every 3 days approx.  I also add an extra Dessert spoon of Nappy Treatment Plus on the 2nd and 3rd day to boost the brew.

When emptying into the Dump Point I noted that there was very little odour at all and everything had broken down. 

At $3.45 for a 1kg bottle - its a lot cheaper than the commercial toilet treatments we have been buying (and safer for the environment).

 



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seems we are solving the cost and efficiency factor but not necessarily the disposal problem.
The waste from using napisan or similar can not be put into a septic system, but still has to be buried or disposed of at a dump point, as we have always done.
We only use the porta potty for no.1 and find the chemicals cheap enough at the major retail stores, although we use a lot less than the recommended amount, with no problem.


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seems we are solving the cost and efficiency factor but not necessarily the disposal problem.
The waste from using napisan or similar can not be put into a septic system, but still has to be buried or disposed of at a dump point, as we have always done.
We only use the porta potty for no.1 and find the chemicals cheap enough at the major retail stores, although we use a lot less than the recommended amount, with no problem.


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G'day,

Napisan is definately Septic Tank Safe.  The active ingredient in Napisan is Sodium Perborate and that is Septic Tank Safe.

 



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G'day,

Napisan is definately Septic Tank Safe.  The active ingredient in Napisan is Sodium Perborate and that is Septic Tank Safe.

Hi John
the napisan website is non commital on this subject.
Suggests that the user contacts the manufacturer of the septic system, which rings my alarm bells. Septics are very temperamental and expensive to re activate if you bugga them up.

Johnw

Hmm. just followed some links to other c/van web sites and the use of napisan. Consensus of opinion is that it is septic friendly, great to use in your porta potty and cheap as well.



-- Edited by jandas fun on Friday 19th of June 2009 04:58:37 PM

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JRH wrote:
G'day,

Napisan is definately Septic Tank Safe.  The active ingredient in Napisan is Sodium Perborate and that is Septic Tank Safe.

Hi John
the napisan website is non commital on this subject.
Suggests that the user contacts the manufacturer of the septic system, which rings my alarm bells. Septics are very temperamental and expensive to re activate if you bugga them up.

Johnw

Hmm. just followed some links to other c/van web sites and the use of napisan. Consensus of opinion is that it is septic friendly, great to use in your porta potty and cheap as well.



-- Edited by jandas fun on Friday 19th of June 2009 04:58:37 PM

 



G'day Johnw,

The napisan to use in the Porta Potti is either the Woolies or Coles home brand.  The Branded Napisan is not really much good and as you say their website is non commital on septic tanks. The Woolies home brand is called Nappy treatment plus the label on which states and I quote " Biodegradable: The surfactants in Home Brand Nappy Treatment Plus are biodegradable accrding to AS4351"

Safe For Septic Tanks

This is the one we use and so far have not had any problems at all and it is as cheap as.

Hope this helps as I might have confused the issue in my first message, I also substitute one capfull for one dessertspoon full as they are just about equal amounts.

Regards
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Sorry Vic41, meant no harm. But I backup JRH in the use of Woolies or Coles nappy treat plus rather than Napisan. I have a cassette toilet (18 litres approx) and have asked this question before on this and another forum and the generic brand over Napisan was the general advice.  Two level lidfuls (or less). It's all I've used in six months - works well. Nap****smells. There must be some sort of chemical in it.

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No worries Sue, everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect their view and opinion whether it is contrary to mine or not, we all look at things differently. I also apologise to anybody that may have been offended by this thread, although there maybe be those who are new to RV'ing who it may help in one way or another.

Thanks for the feedback on the additive, does anyone also use this to clean the porta potti for storage as well as when in general use? I think I read on another forum where someone said they filled their tank up with water and a measure of nappy treatment and left it for a period before emptying it out before they store it?

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Vic,I used Google to find out about the use of Napisan.All good.Cheers Ibbo.

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Hi  ..

After a previous extended discussion on this topic a few months ago, I converted to the Coles brand nappy treatment stuff ... use one capful of powder disolved in a litre of hot water into the tank.

Is great for the recommended 3 or 4 days but could be extended with another cap full.  I seem to always empty the tank every week so I am unable to comment on its performance for longer periods.

After trips (or every month or so on the road, I suppose) I fill the tank with hot water & around 3 caps of the stuff & put it aside for a week or so, turning & shaking it every couple of days.  After a thorough hose out, I lubricate all of the seals with olive oil spray & put it back in the van with the flap open & seat lid raised.  A bit of nice smelling stuff like toilet bowl cleaner in the bottom of the tank ensures no bad smell in the van.


ps.. I you are looking at repairing or getting spares for the Thelford brand, go to the European site.  It has excellent manuals that can be downloaded.
Recently my tank full light stopped working.  Using this site & some discussion with their very helpful Aussie people it was easily fixed.  The pendulum with its magnet (that operates the reed relay) had jumped over a small positioning lip.  Probably during my too vigorous cleaning..  All I had to do was push it back in place!!

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Thanks Ibbo and Cupie, all good stuff. Sometimes I put the generic nappy cleaner (a couple of tablespoons in a little water ) down my sink, leave for 30 minutes then pour hot water down it to clean out any gunk, you can also leave your outside drain hose on if you like to do that as well.

Don't do what I did, used tank cleaner containing Chlorine down my sink and forgot to put a bucket underneath, killed the lawn underneath my drain hole, lol !

Vic

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Thanks JRH
i'll try the 'home brands' in the porta potty and see how it goes. Still wont let the boss use it at home untill i'm more confident about it. At $450 to have the septic emptied and some months to get the system firing again i'm erring on the side of caution.

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Thanks JRH
i'll try the 'home brands' in the porta potty and see how it goes. Still wont let the boss use it at home untill i'm more confident about it. At $450 to have the septic emptied and some months to get the system firing again i'm erring on the side of caution.

Johw



G'day Johnw,

Couldn't agree more, erring on the side of caution usually pays dividends.

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The recipe for the home brewed toilet chemical is:-

Borax 250gm (1 cup)
Cludy Ammonia 1 litre
Lavendar Disinfectant Concentrate 1 bottle

Thoroughly dissolve Borax in boiling water - 2 litres
Allow to cool.
Add other ingredients and dilute to 5 litres. I store in sturdy, 5 litre plastic jerry can.

Add 2 cupfuls (approx) to toilet tank.

I empty my van toilet at the dump point, flush out with clean water and add the chemical.
It can be emptied into the toilet, but I prefer not to. The only smell is the lavendar cloudy ammonia. The Borax is the preservative.

At my rate of use, the 5 litres lasts about 2 months. It works out to cost about $5 per 5 litres.
The Thetford and other commercially prepared chemicals are very expensive. eg $20 per litre.

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