A little like these people when we were looking for a new tug, I would be up at 0500 every morning and onto the net and into carpoint and looking at Rodeo 4x4 Diesel Autos. It took 6 months but eventually we got what we wanted and at a price about $6,000 below the dealers asking price. Did the same thing with the Van and are really happy with the result. The van came from a private dealer off the Trading Post and was just up the road. We got the van for $9,500 and there were many not as good in dealerships for $15,000+