Spare me from the bloody word policemen, this is a forum not a classroom
Brian, I don't recall saying anything about anyone on this forum having conform to my way of thinking.
I expressed an opinion.......nothing more and something I recall you doing many times as well.
And conversley I was expressing my opinion, something I recall you have done on many occasions and guess what I don't have to agree with your opinion just as you do not have to agree to mine, but we have the right to express them
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Spare me from the bloody word policemen, this is a forum not a classroom
Brian, I don't recall saying anything about anyone on this forum having conform to my way of thinking.
I expressed an opinion.......nothing more and something I recall you doing many times as well.
This subject has been aired time and again on this and other forums, I reiterate we do not want to frighten others from posting because how they express themselves does not conform.
We all have our opinions and we are all entitled to those opinions.
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This subject has been aired time and again on this and other forums, I reiterate we do not want to frighten others from posting because how they express themselves does not conform.
We all have our opinions and we are all entitled to those opinions.
You are right JRH and it is not my intention to scare anyone away...it is simply one of my little idiosyncrasies.
PLEASE dont any member be put off posting because of an opinion expressed by me.
Lighten up guys, let's keep having a bit of fun with this thread...
If we wish to be really pedantic about "correct" grammar and syntax it raises the question of "what is correct". English is a dynamic and constantly changing language that's spoken in many parts of the world, all with their own vernacular.
There is no official authority that decides what is "correct" and what isn't. Major newspapers have "style" policies to ensure consistency in their publications and these tend to set the standards but there is nothing official about them.
Dictionaries are compiled based on common usage of words and phrases and as these change over time and new words appear they are included.
Digressing slightly,
check these two sentences...
1. "Excessive pedantry is something up with which I will not put."
2. "Excessive pedantry is something I won't put up with."
The first sentence is considered grammatically correct, the second sentence is not. I think we would all agree that the second sentence sounds nicer, flows better and is preferable.
Edit to add...
Good post FF, I was composing mine when you put yours up on the forum
-- Edited by jimricho on Saturday 3rd of March 2012 09:08:24 PM
This subject has been aired time and again on this and other forums, I reiterate we do not want to frighten others from posting because how they express themselves does not conform.
We all have our opinions and we are all entitled to those opinions.
You are right JRH and it is not my intention to scare anyone away...it is simply one of my little idiosyncrasies.
PLEASE dont any member be put off posting because of an opinion expressed by me.
Boroma as you say we are all entitled to express our opinions and one of mine is that the message on your avatar is so correct, why can we not be more like dogs and know how to love one another unconditionally. Over the years I have reached the conclusion that I like animals especially dogs more than I like humans and I include myself in that.
Animals are not selfish like humans can be at times.
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This subject has been aired time and again on this and other forums, I reiterate we do not want to frighten others from posting because how they express themselves does not conform.
We all have our opinions and we are all entitled to those opinions.
You are right JRH and it is not my intention to scare anyone away...it is simply one of my little idiosyncrasies.
PLEASE dont any member be put off posting because of an opinion expressed by me.
Boroma as you say we are all entitled to express our opinions and one of mine is that the message on your avatar is so correct, why can we not be more like dogs and know how to love one another unconditionally. Over the years I have reached the conclusion that I like animals especially dogs more than I like humans and I include myself in that.
Animals are not selfish like humans can be at times.
I'm an animal who loves to be loved
You are all entitled to your opinions even if you are all rong (last word spelt wrong)
JRH wrote:Boroma as you say we are all entitled to express our opinions and one of mine is that the message on your avatar is so correct, why can we not be more like dogs and know how to love one another unconditionally. Over the years I have reached the conclusion that I like animals especially dogs more than I like humans and I include myself in that.
Animals are not selfish like humans can be at times.
JRH.....you get my vote every time and like you I too often like my dogs more than I like some humans.
It is never my intention to prevent or criticise another for having an opinion or expressing it. In saying that, I also like to be afforded the same privilege.
Agree with all the foregoing examples of dreadful grammar but there's one more expression that really gets up my nose - 'making history' - particularly when it's used when referring to some really dumb football match - so and so made history today scoring 45 goals in the 2nd quarter. That history will be forgotten by next week.
As long as the message is understood does anyone really care about spelling and composition??
It doesn't matter in the forum sense. The fact people are contributing, and the quality of the content is much more important. (Wombats not excluded).
There are places where it is vital to get it right, and spell-check is set up by Americans who spell funny. So don't rely on it, as JimRicho demonstrated.
The media constantly get it wrong. Now there's an ad for "gooder" and "goodest". Where do these people come from?
The media plays such a big roll (role) in people's life, especially TV, and then they do this? I think I might start complaining to the Broadcasting Policeman. It's just not good enough.
I think it's time yous get your axe together and write and spell proper on the wireless.
Writing was my profession and is my craft, but I try not to be pedantic on the forum. I respect the content and contribution. Not everyone has had the education or the grasp of the language, but they excel elsewhere and are good at something else.
Oh, just for information, the correct terminology is, "Rosy and I....." when speaking about you and another person.
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As long as the message is understood does anyone really care about spelling and composition??
It doesn't matter in the forum sense. The fact people are contributing, and the quality of the content is much more important. (Wombats not excluded).
There are places where it is vital to get it right, and spell-check is set up by Americans who spell funny. So don't rely on it, as JimRicho demonstrated.
The media constantly get it wrong. Now there's an ad for "gooder" and "goodest". Where do these people come from?
The media plays such a big roll (role) in people's life, especially TV, and then they do this? I think I might start complaining to the Broadcasting Policeman. It's just not good enough.
I think it's time yous get your axe together and write and spell proper on the wireless.
Writing was my profession and is my craft, but I try not to be pedantic on the forum. I respect the content and contribution. Not everyone has had the education or the grasp of the language, but they excel elsewhere and are good at something else.
Oh, just for information, the correct terminology is, "Rosy and I....." when speaking about you and another person.
Well put Chris, bad spelling and such used to bug me but I realised that a lot of people on the forums are not of english speaking extraction and let's be honest, Enlish is a very difficult language to learn and understand.
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Thought you might all appreciate an English lesson.
You think English is easy?
1) The bandage was wound around the wound. 2) The farm was used to produce produce . 3) The dump was so full that it had to refuse more refuse. 4) We must polish the Polish furniture. 5) He could lead if he would get the lead out. 6) The soldier decided to desert his dessert in the desert. 7) Since there is no time like the present, he thought it was time to present the present. A bass was painted on the head of the bass drum. 9) When shot at, the dove dove into the bushes. 10) I did not object to the object. 11) The insurance was invalid for the invalid. 12) There was a row among the oarsmen about how to row. 13) They were too close to the door to close it. 14) The buck does funny things when the does are present. 15) A seamstress and a sewer fell down into a sewer line. 16) To help with planting, the farmer taught his sow to sow. 17) The wind was too strong to wind the sail. 18) Upon seeing the tear in the painting I shed a tear.. 19) I had to subject the subject to a series of tests. 20) How can I intimate this to my most intimate friend?
Let's face it - English is a crazy language. There is no egg in eggplant, nor dog in the hotdog, nor ham in hamburger; neither apple nor pine in pineapple. English muffins weren't invented in England or French fries in France . Sweetmeats are candies while sweetbreads, which aren't sweet, are meat. We take English for granted. But if we explore its paradoxes, we find that quicksand can work slowly, boxing rings are square and a guinea pig is neither from Guinea nor is it a pig..
And why is it that writers write but fingers don't fing, grocers don't groce and hammers don't ham? If the plural of tooth is teeth, why isn't the plural of booth, beeth? One goose, 2 geese. So one moose, 2 meese? One index, 2 indices? Doesn't it seem crazy that you can make amends but not one amend? If you have a bunch of odds and ends and get rid of all but one of them, what do you call it?
If teachers taught, why didn't preachers praught? If a vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat? Sometimes I think all the English speakers should be committed to an asylum for the verbally insane. In what language do people recite at a play and play at a recital? Ship by truck and send cargo by ship? Have noses that run and feet that smell?
How can a slim chance and a fat chance be the same, while a wise man and a wise guy are opposites? You have to marvel at the unique lunacy of a language in which your house can burn up as it burns down, in which you fill in a form by filling it out and in which, an alarm goes off by going on.
English was invented by people, not computers, and it reflects the creativity of the human race, which, of course, is not a race at all. That is why, when the stars are out, they are visible, but when the lights are out, they are invisible.
PS. - Why doesn't 'Buick' rhyme with 'quick' ?
You lovers of the English language might enjoy this ..
There is a two-letter word that perhaps has more meanings than any other two-letter word, and that is 'UP.'
It's easy to understand UP, meaning toward the sky or at the top of the list, but when we awaken in the morning, why do we wake UP ?
At a meeting, why does a topic come UP?
Why do we speak UP and why are the officers UP for election and why is it UP to the secretary to write UP a report? We call UP our friends.
And we use it to brighten UP a room, polish UP the silver; we warm UP the leftovers and clean UP the kitchen.
We lock UP the house and some guys fix UP the old car.
At other times the little word has real special meaning.
People stir UP trouble, line UP for tickets, work UP an appetite, and think UP excuses.
To be dressed is one thing, but to be dressed UP is special..
A drain must be opened UP because it is stopped UP.
We open UP a store in the morning but we close it UP at night.
We seem to be pretty mixed UP about UP!
To be knowledgeable about the proper uses of UP, look the word UP in the dictionary.
In a desk-sized dictionary, it takes UP almost 1/4th of the page and can add UP to about thirty definitions.
If you are UP to it, you might try building UP a list of the many ways UP is used.
It will take UP a lot of your time, but if you don't give UP, you may wind UP with a hundred or more.
When it threatens to rain, we say it is clouding UP.
When the sun comes out we say it is clearingUP. When it rains, it wets the earth and often messes things UP. When it doesn't rain for awhile, things dry UP.
One could go on and on, but I'll wrap it UP,
for now my time is UP,
so........it is time to shut UP!
so you dont have to put UP with me
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I must be a binge thinker. I do it a lot at times, then, not much at all.
Let's face if folks. we can have a lot of fun with the English language as it is wrote and spoke.
When writing news copy for radio and television I had to be aware someone else would be reading what I had written, so it had to make sense to them. When we read our own writing we can place the emphasis where we mean it to be. When we write for someone else to read we have to be more specific. There's also the paper I read, or the paper I purchased to read. Which has nothing to do with the colour red, but it could if you were seeing red.
The demise of the comma can really change how sentences are read and understood. I love the language. Comedians base most of their work on the English language and the ironies and quirks within it's context. It's very hard to do it in other languages, as most have one word, one meaning I've been told by someone who was bilingual. Now that has nothing to do with being ambidextrous, or ambiguous, but it could.
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Anyone who has the hide to criticize any person who doesn't have perfect spelling or grammar is in my opinion a word policeman.
And oh! about yelling, your scrip sure seems much larger than normal and in another colour, isn't that yelling ???
No, the colour is my choice and I have always used both colour and slightly larger text in all my posting on this forum Brian. In fact I use it in all my emails and PMs as well.
Yelling on the other hand in cyber land, is the use of capital letters, but I am sure I do not have to tell you that. I know that you already know that.
Re my criticism of another person or any person here on this forum or anywhere for that matter.....Brian please show me where I did that and I will make a point of going back to apologise to that person.