Genealogy

countryroad · Senior Member

RE: Genealogy

Rip and Rosie · Guru

Mucking around with my database.......... housework! Sorting stuff, checking stuff .... you know how it is.

Came to my attention that "Find my Past" has put up quite a few old Irish newspapers.... humm .... housework might wait while I play for a while

animalcarer · Senior Member

Its so interesting genealogy. have been able to go back about 200 years or so. Howards line is a lot more interesting than mine. Love to win lotto and go touring about. sigh

pambaz · Senior Member

Alll families had their secrets and skeletons people just didn't talk about them years ago. My cousins have delved into our family past and have come up with some beauties. One cousin is staying with family in Ireland that he tracked down, still on the original farm from 1839.

My husbands side never discussed the fact they were descendants of first fleeters (bottom of the ship). We all now find it fascinating and quite proud of it.

My parents were divorced in the 1950's and the only people that knew were family and close friends,people my Mother met later she told them she was a widow. She always thought that she would be thought less of if they knew she was divorced. She never remarried.

Funny how things have changed. We have unearthed some wonderful information over the years about both our families and our generation are very proud of what our families achieved in those "olden" days.

I have my Fathers war service papers too and they are very interesting.

Pam

Rip and Rosie · Guru

I'm currently at home, with good internet and lots of resources available.

Happy to do look ups for anyone on the road.

Rip and Rosie · Guru

Ah, the elusive Irish !

Such hard work !

Cyndi's list is always a good place to start: http://www.cyndislist.com/uk/irl

Ireland reaching out is a new site, but one to keep an eye on : http://www.irelandxo.com

National Library of Ireland http://www.nli.ie/en/homepage.aspx

Irish genealogy Toolkit: http://www.irish-genealogy-toolkit.com

Free Irish History e-books: http://irishlocalhistory.blogspot.com.au

Irish Newspaper Archives: http://www.irishnewsarchive.com

Rootsireland: http://www.rootsireland.ie

Find my past Ireland: http://www.findmypast.ie

Google is always great : found this one Ballylynan, Laois http://www.genealogylaois.com

-- Edited by Rip and Rosie on Saturday 5th of October 2013 01:30:59 PM

Rip and Rosie · Guru

I'm doing the tree of an old friend of my mother's, a country girl from a small town in the Hunter Valley.

In that town 2 large Irish catholic families had heaps of kids, and grandchildren,(as they did). Three brothers married 3 sisters, and 2 of the brother's sisters married 2 brothers from the other family and one grandson from one family married one of the grandaughters of the other... (making 6 marriages between 2 families) could be more yet to uncover... interwoven and enmeshed.

As they used the convention of naming children after relatives, there are recurring John's, James', Michael's, Thomas', Margaret's, Bridget's, Mary's, Edward's etc, etc, etc. it's doing my head in trying to keep track of them all. I'm so grateful for the rarer Constance or Stanislaus !

To make matters worse, funeral notices and other newspaper reports omit the women's christian names, calling them just Mrs Edward ... etc. or worse Mrs J. ... One funeral notice names a daughter using her husband's name _ Mrs Patrick C. I would have appreciated a hint such as "daughter Anne (Mrs Patrick C..)" as I have seen in other families.

I feel like the old woman in the joke who trys to use Corn Flakes as a jig saw and complains the pieces dont fit.

chaslib · Senior Member

Genealogy - Irish records

Rip and Rosie · Guru

RE: Genealogy

barina · Guru

What a great idea I will certainly do something like that. So that they info can be kept.

Rip and Rosie · Guru

Anyone searching for Scottish records?

This is very useful and though some one else might also find it a help.

Its a bit large to print out, and easier to carry on the road as a pdf anyway.

chaslib · Senior Member

A great resource Rosie ..... pity there is not one for Ireland - I may have less grey hair if their was. However, my main research is Scotland so this should help lots. I have taken my tree back to pre-Robert (the) Bruce but the last 2-3 hundred years was just a bit to easy so next job is to put the tree on hold and cross check all the details and dates - all the individuals prior to when my Gray family married into the Erskine family are members of the Scottish nobility/royalty, so they should be reasonably easy to check in the Library and online. Trouble is so many sites are populated with information from trees which have incorrect information, for eg ... how can someone have a son that was born 30 years before the father, also lots of conflicting information where children have been assigned to the wrong spouse when there are multiple marriages. It also gets very confusing with the nobility and their titles as they don't run in any sort of chronological or logical order in many cases - eg you may have the 7th earl of woop-woop, who is also the 23 baron of something else but his son (unmarried so no wife and her titles) is something entirely different!!!!! .... how the hell can you figure that out!!!. Whoever designed peerages centuries ago should have been hung, drawn and quartered (they may have been anyway!) Take my world for it - if they decide to build a mental institution specifically designed for family history researchers, they I would qualify for a "charter member".

Anyway - I am sure you have all experienced this type of frustration!!!!

Cheers

Esmeralda · Guru

The problem with Ireland is that in 1922 an explosion and fire destroyed many historical records including all their pre 1901 census records. I believe they are trying to reconstruct as much as possible.

Rip and Rosie · Guru

Esmeralda wrote:
The problem with Ireland is that in 1922 an explosion and fire destroyed many historical records including all their pre 1901 census records. I believe they are trying to reconstruct as much as possible.

Explosion nothing ! In the civil war the bloody idjuts used the archive building to store artillery and explosives ! And of course they blew up, or got blown up, and away went the records !

but it is true the Irish records were majorly lost, and now we lost families have a real job on our hands to try to trace our ancestors.

I guess we all should meet for a drink, and a group hug while we commiserate !

countryroad · Senior Member

Guess I should count my blessings...no Irish

chaslib · Senior Member

Lol ... A gathering of the Seekers of Lost Irish Ancestors .... Good idea .... i can just see the headlines ...... The Irish Connection take over Greens .... See you all there next year.

cheers

Libby

Rip and Rosie · Guru

You can only find what there is to discover, i.e if a record was made and now survives.
For my understanding of the Irish records, the 1922 "accident" left a huge hole, but lots of records are available for northern Ireland and some southern church records are emerging. ( http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/irish-records-what-is-available/church-records )

Find my past has alot of records as well (but you will need to pay for them) http://www.findmypast.ie/articles/world-records/full-list-of-the-irish-family-history-records

Registration of births did not become mandatory until about 1864 in Ireland (I think), bit before that most babies were baptised, and so church records are vital, HOWEVER, most of them were stored in individual churches haphazardly, are many are lost, records missing and standards vary. As the protestant church was the religion of state, catholic records were sometimes forced "underground" and can be even less well preserved.

In addition, well-to-do families had land records, rents, tithes and business record which might be still around.................mine however were ag labs and crooks !

Now, crooks are OK as some of the criminal records survive, and the newspapers are being digitalised !! but my ag labs, who named all their children after living relatives, have left few records, and even fewer which would help me tell one "John Jennings" or "Thomas Grant" from another.

http://www.irishorigins.com/

http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/

www.irishtimes.com/ancestor: a how-to site, with maps and source listings
www.census-nationalarchives.ie: the 1901 and 1911 censuses, free to search
www.familysearch.org: the Mormon portal, including a part transcript of Irish births 1864-1875
www.origins.net: subscription site with an excellent copy of Griffiths Valuation and the accompanying Ordnance Survey maps.
www.ancestryireland.com: the Ulster Historical Foundation has a good selection of subscription-only material.
www.proni.gov.uk: the Public Record Office of Northern Ireland has some excellent free searchable material, including freeholders lists and the 1912 Ulster Covenant.
www.brsgenealogy.com: The Irish Family History Foundation site has a basic pay-per-view search of church records a number of counties.

-- Edited by Rip and Rosie on Sunday 10th of November 2013 08:40:07 AM

Shuttlebugs · Veteran Member

Count me in for the Seekers of Lost Irish Ancestors! Lol! I just read this thread with great interest.

I too have the genealogy bug and have used Ancestry.com since 2007 - but I have not paid for a subscription yet. I managed to obtain a great raft of paper records from my father's side of the family, sources I trust as my Great Aunt made a hobby of chasing down our family tree. My mother's side has been harder as her father was killed in a work accident the year I was born and my grandmother had a broken heart for the rest of her life (till she was six weeks off being 90) so stories of our past were never told and photos were hidden away.

I do know we have ancestors in Scotland (thank you for the resource, Rosie), England, Holland, Germany, and, of course, Ireland.

I believe two brothers emigrated from County Cork to go to the USA in the 1700s, but am unsure how to go about finding anything earlier.

There are lots of interesting stories I have uncovered along the way :)

chaslib · Senior Member

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chaslib · Senior Member

RE: Genealogy

Esmeralda · Guru

Yes Rosie I knew the explosion was bombing in civil war/uprising. My gripe is the records lost seem to all come from Galway then again cannot find any records of my GGMother who was from Dun Laoghaire near Dublin. She moved to Halifax/Liverpool area but don't know when.

Cheers Helen

barina · Guru

Thanks Rosie for the links I have kept them to have a look when I have some time......

Rip and Rosie · Guru

Esmeralda wrote:
Yes Rosie I knew the explosion was bombing in civil war/uprising. My gripe is the records lost seem to all come from Galway then again cannot find any records of my GGMother who was from Dun Laoghaire near Dublin. She moved to Halifax/Liverpool area but don't know when.
Cheers Helen

Have you checked the English census records, Esmeralda?

Rip and Rosie · Guru

Some one sent me this, which is quite good reading and while I was saving it to my genealogy usefuls, I thought I might share it.

Its about tracing military ancestors (Scotland and England) without spending a fortune!

Rip and Rosie · Guru

Anyone researching convicts will be sad to hear that Lesley Uebel has a terminal brain tumour.

Lesley moderated the Port Jackson Convicts email list with Rootweb and the Claim a Convict website. She published a series of CDs listing every convict and convict vessel which arrived in Sydney, and was a source for great help for anyone stuck on finding a convict in the family.

So very sad.

whitey2 · Veteran Member

ah it's all so interesting, been digging into my families stories, plenty.... On my mothers side is "Billy Blue" a (Jamaican?) convict from England (in 1803) who when pardoned became one of if not the first water policeman in Sydney, but then had that taken off him when found out that he was running rum across the harbour! He also had land given to him now called "blues point" , lots more stories on him. On my dad's side they came to aus in 1850 from Scotland, arrived in SA made there way to Vic then a couple of brothers moved to mid/western NSW for farming which farms are still there (one still in family and one sold), this family goes back to "Rob Roy Macgregor". Lots of other stories on both sides (mine and hubbies) of a babe being born on the banks of a river in the gold diggings in vic, a ggg grandfather helping with the naming of parkes in nsw (diff family to the Scottish ones, this is English one on mums side!) ...... I find it hard like others have said when every family uses same names or you get to a dead end as there is no paper trail, which only means there is more interesting things hidden!

whitey2 · Veteran Member

Rosie, That's very sad

-- Edited by whitey2 on Saturday 11th of January 2014 09:22:34 AM

Peterpan · Guru

We have been searching through our family lines for some time now.

Have had some interesting happenings, one one my wifes side was tarred and feathered.

The reasons and outcomes were quite interesting. Trolling through "Trove" gave us the

outcome of what occurred. Our big dead end is where a relatives arrival in Australia seems to be

untraceable. He lived in Tas, married in SA, had children in Tas. Marriage certificate shows nothing

about his place of birth. We believe that he came from the Netherlands, changed his name from

the Dutch version to an English version ( Konig, DeKonig, to King.) and maybe was a sailor and jumped ship.

We can guess at many scenarios but without some proof of arrival in Aus, going back any further is very difficult.

Genealogy is frustratingly addictive, so we will continue to search.

Kevin

-- Edited by Peterpan on Saturday 11th of January 2014 11:21:11 AM

Gerty Dancer · Guru

I found quite a lot about my mothers family since they arrived in Australia in the 1830's... Its odd but nobody in Mums generation knew or was interested in their ancestors, and I've been able to share the stuff I found with several cousins who were all fascinated. My personal problem is that none of my kids are interested, after all there's no Princes or VIP's among them. Who can I leave this precious paperwork to? It even includes my grandfathers discharge certificate after the Boer war ."We don't keep information about the Boer war" said the bright young thing at the Australian War Memorial when I was looking for info.
I'm so sad about this, I reckon those tough pioneers should be honourably remembered by the next generations.

Rip and Rosie · Guru

Your local family history society would probably take them Gerty