8.5 kg gas bottle

Cruising Cruze · Guru

8.5 kg gas bottle

Dougwe · Chief one feather

John, maybe get a bit of rubber and glue to the inside of the ring.

spida · Guru

A stick of some sort - or a noodle? I had the opposite problem - have had to get new holders because the 9kg bottles are a little fatter than the old ones and I could not get my brackets to shut on them even wound right out!

justcruisin01 · Guru

Cruising Cruze wrote:
How do we can overcome the problem with the smaller gas bottle in the 9kg bracket
any idea ??

Cheers John

We have the 4.5 kg bottles, found that there is a lot of different size's of these that dont fit so I refuse to swap them, plus it's cheaper to refill x 50%

Pam · Guru

We carry an old scrap of carpet and wrap it round with single layer or doubled. Works well.

Cruising Cruze · Guru

thank you all for your reply's
I just got 2 bottles from Bunnings and the 1e one I put back in the bracket is a 9kg one ,and the other looks the same

I had 2 empty ones and there was one 8.5 & the other 9kg
that's why I asked the question
I think your reply Pam of a bit of carpet I will keep in mind
( btw Jim the 4.5 kg is 18 dollars here and the 9 kg 23 exchange by Bunnings
to refill the 9kg is 28 dollars by BCF here )

Cheers John

justcruisin01 · Guru

Their prices are all over the place, I always ask for price before filling.

Couple of yrs back I filled two at BCF @ X $'s. Drove down the street for fuel at shell/coles & their swaps were exactly doubble, Thats bull****.

JC

spida · Guru

Cannot always find a place to refill????

Vic41 · Guru

Dougwe wrote:
John, maybe get a bit of rubber and glue to the inside of the ring.

Clark Rubber have strips of rubber with adhesive on one side that would suit this purpose too...

native pepper · Senior Member

Only ever used one of those refill ones, prefer to use our own 9kg ones and never have any trouble finding places to refill them. We get welding gas at times and was told by the delivery bloke not to buy pre- filled bottles as they only fill them to 7.5-8kg at the depot and it saves them a fortune. He also said that's the standard practice. We've never paid more than $25 for a refill and our two bottles lasts us close to 3 months on the road. The little out of the way towns give the best deal, they fill them to the top, unlike in large towns where most won't fill them and demand you take a pre-fllled one for an exorbitant price. If they will fill them, they never fill them right up, only until the first bit of gas vents and that's about 70-80%.

oldbobsbus · Guru

If you think your exchange cylinder from Bunnings or anywhere else is underfilled all you need to do is put it on a set of bathroom scales and weigh it...

Stamped on the side of the cylinder is the Tare Weight TW..

if the total weight = 17.5kg

If the Tare = 9.00kg

Then you have 8.50kg of gas..

As for underfilling cylinders it is against the Trade Practices Act (weights and measures) to do so and the retailer AND the refiller are in for heavy fines if caught.

All LPGas cylinders are only filled to 80% and to fill them any further is also illegal and highly dangerous..

When filling an LPGas cylinder by ullage (out of a larger cylinder) the filling MUST cease as soon as liquid appears from the ullage tube outlet and if liquid continues to flow after the trigger is released then the operator is required to allow the liquid to stop exiting the cylinder before closing the ullage valve screw...

aussie_paul · Guru

oldbobsbus wrote:
If you think your exchange cylinder from Bunnings or anywhere else is underfilled all you need to do is put it on a set of bathroom scales and weigh it...
Stamped on the side of the cylinder is the Tare Weight TW..
if the total weight = 17.5kg
If the Tare = 9.00kg
Then you have 8.50kg of gas..
As for underfilling cylinders it is against the Trade Practices Act (weights and measures) to do so and the retailer AND the refiller are in for heavy fines if caught.
All LPGas cylinders are only filled to 80% and to fill them any further is also illegal and highly dangerous..
When filling an LPGas cylinder by ullage (out of a larger cylinder) the filling MUST cease as soon as liquid appears from the ullage tube outlet and if liquid continues to flow after the trigger is released then the operator is required to allow the liquid to stop exiting the cylinder before closing the ullage valve screw...

Excellent info Bob.

Aussie Paul. smile

Spook · Senior Member

You are spot on, Bob.

Ontos45 · Guru

I have also been told that the exchange gas bottles are of a thinner steel ment for BBQ's than bottles ment for the rigors of being mounted an a van "A" frame, stones etc.

oldbobsbus · Guru

Ontos45 wrote:
I have also been told that the exchange gas bottles are of a thinner steel ment for BBQ's than bottles ment for the rigors of being mounted an a van "A" frame, stones etc.

Shhhhssss I dunno where some of you people come up with this misinformation..

That's total tripe..

ALL cylinder have to conform to the Aust Standard :- AS2030 SAA Gas Cylinders Code..Cylinders for compressed gasses other than acetylene..

I most cases they are re-valved and repainted trade in cylinders..

-- Edited by oldbobsbus on Tuesday 22nd of April 2014 09:46:43 AM

Ontos45 · Guru

Maybe its so people like you can correct us. It was a legitimate question on what I was told by others mate. Sorry if it annoyed you, can't all be perfect.

native pepper · Senior Member

Ontos45 wrote:
Maybe its so people like you can correct us. It was a legitimate question on what I was told by others mate. Sorry if it annoyed you, can't all be perfect.

I've heard that as well, don't put much faith in it. There are those here who take great pleasure in denigrating and abusing what others post, seems that's all they have in life. To me all information is credible for the occasion and normally leads to good knowledge being bandied around. Sadly some feel they have the right to ridicule others for what they say and feel it is only their knowledge that counts, when the reality is normally the opposite and stifles good debate. Especially when they constantly make derogatory and demeaning comments, even on threads they don't have a clue about.

Keeping putting forward your views and what you've heard, it's always interesting to hear what others have been told or think. You can enhance peoples viewpoint nicely and with good knowledge, if they have misunderstood or got it wrong. Just ignore the irrelevant rabble in the background, it makes life easier that way.

oldbobsbus · Guru

native pepper wrote:
Ontos45 wrote:
Maybe its so people like you can correct us. It was a legitimate question on what I was told by others mate. Sorry if it annoyed you, can't all be perfect.
I've heard that as well, don't put much faith in it. There are those here who take great pleasure in denigrating and abusing what others post, seems that's all they have in life. To me all information is credible for the occasion and normally leads to good knowledge being bandied around. Sadly some feel they have the right to ridicule others for what they say and feel it is only their knowledge that counts, when the reality is normally the opposite and stifles good debate. Especially when they constantly make derogatory and demeaning comments, even on threads they don't have a clue about.
Keeping putting forward your views and what you've heard, it's always interesting to hear what others have been told or think. You can enhance peoples viewpoint nicely and with good knowledge, if they have misunderstood or got it wrong. Just ignore the irrelevant rabble in the background, it makes life easier that way.

Don't let the facts get in the way of a good story..

Santa · Guru

Denigration and abuse have nothing to do with it, if you are unaware of the facts why make an (I have heard) type post?

Misinformation is at best annoying and at worst can lead to people drawing an incorrect conclusion, which if the advice is acted on, could have disastrous consequences.

The internet is loaded with misinformation and this forum seems to have more than its share of believers.

hako · Guru

It's strange how if someone is told verbally that such and such is wrong there is no problem, but if the identical words are put in print they can and sometimes do get dissected and gain meanings not originally intended.
I am guilty of this myself but I am aware of it and generally figure it's just what I've read into it.
Good Luck.

Ontos45 · Guru

Santa wrote:
Denigration and abuse have nothing to do with it, if you are unaware of the facts why make an (I have heard) type post?
Misinformation is at best annoying and at worst can lead to people drawing an incorrect conclusion, which if the advice is acted on, could have disastrous consequences.

The internet is loaded with misinformation and this forum seems to have more than its share of believers.

I thought that's why we asked questions, to make us aware of the facts and to correct, incorrect "old wives tales". Keep denigrating members for asking questions to correct miss-conceptions and you soon won't have any questions asked.

The facts quoted by oldbobsbus were taken on board, it was the heading that annoyed me:

"Shhhhssss I dunno where some of you people come up with this misinformation..

That's total tripe.."

Not a child mate, so don't treat me like one.

oldbobsbus · Guru

Ontos45 wrote:
Santa wrote:
Denigration and abuse have nothing to do with it, if you are unaware of the facts why make an (I have heard) type post?
Misinformation is at best annoying and at worst can lead to people drawing an incorrect conclusion, which if the advice is acted on, could have disastrous consequences.

The internet is loaded with misinformation and this forum seems to have more than its share of believers.

I thought that's why we asked questions, to make us aware of the facts and to correct, incorrect "old wives tales". Keep denigrating members for asking questions to correct miss-conceptions and you soon won't have any questions asked.
The facts quoted by oldbobsbus were taken on board, it was the heading that annoyed me:
"Shhhhssss I dunno where some of you people come up with this misinformation..
That's total tripe.."
Not a child mate, so don't treat me like one.

Peter, you didn't ask a question you made a statement..

I have also been told that the exchange gas bottles are of a thinner steel ment for BBQ's than bottles ment for the rigors of being mounted an a van "A" frame, stones etc.

If you would have asked it as a question I would have answered it differently..

Having spent 20yrs directly involved in the gas industry and the last 15 on the sidelines you would be amazed at some of the misinformation we have to deal with..

I'm sorry if I offended you but you do need to get your facts right before making statements like that..

oldboar · Senior Member

justcruisin01 wrote:
Their prices are all over the place, I always ask for price before filling.
Couple of yrs back I filled two at BCF @ X $'s. Drove down the street for fuel at shell/coles & their swaps were exactly doubble, Thats bull****.
JC

LMAO, Jim. Noticed the other day here in Townsville BCF were asking $28.95 for a 9kg refill, Rays Outdoors, not much further than a stones throw away wanted $24.95. Definitely pays to keep your eyes open & the brain in gear in this game.

Darrell & Sandra

ParamountCruiser · Senior Member

native pepper wrote:
We've never paid more than $25 for a refill

You haven't been to country Qld or WA then.

KFT · Guru

ParamountCruiser wrote:
native pepper wrote:
We've never paid more than $25 for a refill
You haven't been to country Qld or WA then.

Or Alice Springs, my refill at the TTP there was $36 in 2012. be interesting to know how much it is now.

I had to have at least one full cylinder before heading further north so I paid. There are probably cheaper places in the Alice to get Gas if you wanted to hunt around.

frank

dorian · Guru

www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-23/explainer-why-gas-prices-are-set-to-increase/5404748

"Gas prices across the eastern seaboard are set to rise, with the Australian market to be exposed to the international market for the first time.Australia will triple its gas production in the next few years as key gas projects in Queensland ramp up production.Despite production going up, domestic prices are set to increase as well.Most of the new gas generated by the Queensland projects will be exported to Asia, a market that pays almost triple the wholesale price of gas compared to what Australia currently pays."

KFT · Guru

Thanks Dorian

so Natural gas prices will go much the same way as Oil prices did when we "had to have" world parity pricing. UP never to come down again

great.

frank

-- Edited by KFT on Wednesday 23rd of April 2014 07:16:10 PM

native pepper · Senior Member

ParamountCruiser wrote:
native pepper wrote:
We've never paid more than $25 for a refill
You haven't been to country Qld or WA then.
Probably been to the NT or Qld more than 100 times and been based in both during over the last 50 years, learnt many many years ago how to keep our costs down. We carry 3 gas bottles and each one lasts us at least 2-3 months. We use electric cooking when we have power, hot water is generated by the engine, 12v/240v, solar and gas if needed. Our heating is wood fired and presently installing an 80lt hot water tank which is a converted ex vehicle s/s gas cylinder. We fill our bottles cheaply before we leave and only fill empty ones when we find it cheap.

It's called good planning and economics

-- Edited by native pepper on Thursday 24th of April 2014 06:06:34 AM

KevinC · Senior Member

Ontos45 wrote:
I have also been told that the exchange gas bottles are of a thinner steel ment for BBQ's than bottles ment for the rigors of being mounted an a van "A" frame, stones etc.

Yes, I heard the same thing, although it wasn't suggesting a conspiracy by bottle suppliers. It was a suggestion (obviously incorrect) that gas bottles can be manufactured in four different quality classes. Two classes were only suitable for domestic use and two of those classes were suitable for outdoor use. The warning was that if you picked up an exchange bottle without checking what class it was, you could get one unsuitable for hanging off the draw bar of your van. Of course this had van owners scurrying around checking the fine print stamped on the tops of the bottles. After reading this thread I now realize this was a total myth. And that's good for those of us who would forget to check details like this when exchanging a bottle. It's interesting how easy it is to unnerve folk who are really only trying to get the best information in order to do the right thing.

oldbobsbus · Guru

KevinC wrote:
Ontos45 wrote:
I have also been told that the exchange gas bottles are of a thinner steel ment for BBQ's than bottles ment for the rigors of being mounted an a van "A" frame, stones etc.
Yes, I heard the same thing, although it wasn't suggesting a conspiracy by bottle suppliers. It was a suggestion (obviously incorrect) that gas bottles can be manufactured in four different quality classes. Two classes were only suitable for domestic use and two of those classes were suitable for outdoor use. The warning was that if you picked up an exchange bottle without checking what class it was, you could get one unsuitable for hanging off the draw bar of your van. Of course this had van owners scurrying around checking the fine print stamped on the tops of the bottles. After reading this thread I now realize this was a total myth. And that's good for those of us who would forget to check details like this when exchanging a bottle. It's interesting how easy it is to unnerve folk who are really only trying to get the best information in order to do the right thing.

The misinformation is only as far as the metal thickness is concerned..

As far as the coating on the outside of the cylinder goes there are many qualities, ranging from a thin coat of powder coating to a heavy hot gal dip with several variations in between..

Yes if you are exchanging a cylinder and they allow you to pick the cylinder you want then IF it were me I would pick the tallest cylinder in the cage as this would indicate an older cylinder that would more than likely be galvanized..

Having said that all cylinders are suitable for use on a caravan, the only other thing to know is that you are only allowed to use Galvanized cylinders in a marine application..

Hope this makes sense to you.. smile