Jim. We didn't do things like this when we were young - well, certainly not to the extent that these young people do today. It seems to be cool to be anti-society

How about the 3 young kids in Geraldton who trashed a vacant house about 2 weeks ago and damage is estimated at $100K - the house may be demolished its so trashed!! Too young to go to Court and will be referred to some govt group of do-gooders and told that they were naughty - but no punishment

Some (but not most) young people have a bad attitude towards the law, the police, other people and property.

I think we treat 10-16 year olds as adults and give them adult decision making rights - they are bloody kids and shouldn't have all these rights.

When ones this young offend, send them to a work camp run by the Army - not juvenile detention centres (we cant even call them prisons) where they are trained to become a better criminal by others. These camps should be in the bush and the re-education and training of these kids by NCO's be tough and held in remote areas. No paper pushers and shrinks - just tough love.

I did this with my daughter in NZ when she was about 15 (not the Army, but run by ex- Army staff). She was in a camp for girls only for 3 months. She came back a totally changed person - all for the better. She is now the mother of 7 (doesn't watch enough TV lol) children, the oldest being 17 and the youngest 2 years old. All are happy, well behaved. The 17 year old is an apprentice chippie and the next oldest is doing her final years and is planning on becoming a doctor.

Looking back, we believe our daughter went off the rails because of some bad kids at school she associated with and we were prevented from being tough enough by the welfare staff and police at the time. It cost us $6K for that "army" course (a lot of money then), but was worth every cent

Bruce and Bev wrote:

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Jim. We didn't do things like this when we were young - well, certainly not to the extent that these young people do today. It seems to be cool to be anti-society

How about the 3 young kids in Geraldton who trashed a vacant house about 2 weeks ago and damage is estimated at $100K - the house may be demolished its so trashed!! Too young to go to Court and will be referred to some govt group of do-gooders and told that they were naughty - but no punishment

Some (but not most) young people have a bad attitude towards the law, the police, other people and property.

I think we treat 10-16 year olds as adults and give them adult decision making rights - they are bloody kids and shouldn't have all these rights.

When ones this young offend, send them to a work camp run by the Army - not juvenile detention centres (we cant even call them prisons) where they are trained to become a better criminal by others. These camps should be in the bush and the re-education and training of these kids by NCO's be tough and held in remote areas. No paper pushers and shrinks - just tough love.

I did this with my daughter in NZ when she was about 15 (not the Army, but run by ex- Army staff). She was in a camp for girls only for 3 months. She came back a totally changed person - all for the better. She is now the mother of 7 (doesn't watch enough TV lol) children, the oldest being 17 and the youngest 2 years old. All are happy, well behaved. The 17 year old is an apprentice chippie and the next oldest is doing her final years and is planning on becoming a doctor.

Looking back, we believe our daughter went off the rails because of some bad kids at school she associated with and we were prevented from being tough enough by the welfare staff and police at the time. It cost us $6K for that "army" course (a lot of money then), but was worth every cent

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I wonder if it's a kiwi thing, lol  but I agree with you 100+1 % there Bruce

I recall many years back in N.Z. when the Bikies ran riot through the country,

They were all rounded up and bought before the "Hanging Judge" as he was called back in the early 60's

his verdict was, all bikes were confiscated and all offenders were sent straight into the army 3 years each,

well when those blokes came out of the army, they were like a group of different people,

no more trouble and a lot of them are successful  business people today.

 

K.J.

    

Nothing is more certain than change. Many attitudes have changed for the better, some have not, but all in all I think generally times are better now than when I was young un.
Attitudes towards Gays and single Mums are way ahead in my view, domestic violence is being met head on and hopefully this will make a difference to all women who are suffering at the hands of their partners.
In general we seem to be more aware that our disabled need a fair go and eventually there will be a properly funded scheme to achieve this, that is if our Pollies ever stop squabbling.
I look back over my life and yes there were good times but I don't think that I would like to visit the past in its entirety, there are so many good things happening now and it's good to get out there and live what is left of my life to the full, time is too short to be looking backwards when there are so many positive things happening.
There are many amazing young people out there and what they are doing will change our world for the better.
I think we would all be a lot happier if we stopped watching and listening to the dismal news that is fed to us 24hours a day and just got on with living our daily lives as best we can.
Cheers
David

elliemike wrote, ---   So people who try to protect children are now classed as  Goodie Goodies.  

 

Going to be interesting seeing where this thread goes.   

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Hmm ! Can you 'define' Protect. ! as in some area's That Protection is for the greater Good, ! -- However some of the Goodie Goodie, type 'protection' causes some Children Enormous Damage, and that damage goes on to be very dangerous and Detrimental to to society in general.

One example, here in Geelong, A young very disturbed young person, Of 13 years old,  with more than 120 serious offences to his name already, has just been released back into the community, as because of his age, there is no place to keep him, for his own safety, and the safety of the community, !! -- These are serious offences, he has committed,   including many cases of Arson, many cases of violence, against the elderly ] Many cases of Animal Cruelty, where he said in his statment, he likesto strangle animals to death, and listen to them take their last breath, and he also admits to commiting Beastiality' Now naturally the Geelong Public does not know who this person is, or where in the Geelong community he is living, However for the sake of my Family, My House, and my Animals,  I sincerly hope it is Nowhere near me !!    PS, this person has over the years been through our Goodie, Goodie type protection, and this is the result delivered back to the community,

 

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kiwijims wrote:

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.... the Old Man had his belt off and a few good smacks on the rear soon taught me right from wrong.....,       

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 All such violence does is teach kids not to get caught.   If the kids cannot be charged, then those who should be supervising the kids need to be held responsible, the parents.

Iza

Izabarack wrote,   ---     All such violence does is teach kids not to get caught.   If the kids cannot be charged, then those who should be supervising the kids need to be held responsible, the parents.

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They authorities, and do-gooders TAKE AWAY the parents rights to to disipline the children  So i take it you mean the authorities, and do-gooders are the ones to be charged,, Hmm !  yeh, I would agree with that,

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It is known that over here(and I suppose else where)certain members of the community take young kids with them to help commit crimes BECAUSE they know the young ones cannot be charged.....and so it goes on.

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You could be dead right there, We had our house broken into  few years back, it must have been a kid because entry was gained through the doggie door which I had installed in the rear door,

this little door only measured 200mm x 400mm,  after this person got through it must have only taken a couple of seconds for them to kick in an inner locked sliding door then steal a couple of thousand bucks worth of our possessions, this included the Video recorder a small T.V. also a whole collection of the wife's John Wayne Video Tapes,( over 50 ) nothing was ever recovered,

I would say with-out a doubt, there was an adult involved because of the amount of items taken, could not have been handled by one person. and it only took them less than 10 min from the time the wife locked up and returned, to find one hell of a mess through-out the house, 

By the way, the flaming Dog was happy, they gave him a whole pack of frozen mince which had been left out to defrost,   

 

K.J.

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Ok here is my rant...

1 - Any one classed 2 young to be charged should have the parents Pay the Price... as it is the parents that are supposed to be in charge of the kid's..
2 - introduce the strike system similar to the USofA.. 3 strikes and your out....

If they are of age to be charged.. Yes Send them to a work farm and give them time.... - Force them to have 2 choices.. Learn a Trade or Learn in the class room... B plus.. to get rewards...
It's better to teach them than what it is to not do anything...




Australia needs to pull it's head out of the sand and stop being a nanny state...
- We are far to lax on how we treat the crime's.. They have far to many right's.. Far more than our kids have..

I'm going to cope some flack here...

WE NEED TO BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY, We have grown to lax and are doing nothing for the career criminals.. Especial those that have what I would class a capital crime... I could go and name hand fulls of people that deserve to be killed for what they have done...

End of Rant...


juergen

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"HERE HERE"  WELL SAID !!!!!

K.J.

dazren wrote:

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Izabarack wrote,   ---     All such violence does is teach kids not to get caught.   If the kids cannot be charged, then those who should be supervising the kids need to be held responsible, the parents.

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They authorities, and do-gooders TAKE AWAY the parents rights to to disipline the children  So i take it you mean the authorities, and do-gooders are the ones to be charged,, Hmm !  yeh, I would agree with that,

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Gotta agree with this.  [You beat me to it.]

Cheers,

Sheba.

 

Recoup wrote,   ---   Judges and Lawyers ruining Australia , think about it .

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I could not agree anymore Recoup, ! Our Police do a fantastic job of catching real bad criminals, and for what, !! as soon as it gets to court, the judges ans Lawyers return them to the street,Because our Gaols are chock a block full, It costs BIG $$$$ to lock them up, some reports say around 95 to 110 thousand dollars per prisoner. !!! I think we should build more prisons, of a low Low risk type prisoners, 'ie' embezzlment, driving offences, petty crimes, etc,etc, Then leave our hardcore prisons for Hardcore Criminals, and STOP making them like 5 star hotels, To hell with civil liberties for anyone who commits serious crimes against Anyone, 

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my bet is 3 more posts before it's closed

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 Good  job you didn't put money on it LOL.

A little bit of fear certainly taught me right from wrong