don't want windows 10

peter_s · Veteran Member

don't want windows 10

Tony Bell · Member

http://ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/ is a site to down load software to disable windows 10 update reminder(called nagware in the trade). Do not upgrade as drivers for your printers, USB ports and hardware compents may not be available as yet in windows 10. If your system works do not fix it

PeterD · Guru

Just got myself a copy of Windows 10 for Dummies. Their recommendation for Win 7 users is not to upgrade. Their recommendation to Win 8 or 8.1 users is to definitely upgrade.

If you do upgrade and you are using a wireless modem my recommendation is to get rid of most of the live tiles on the start menu. All those live are apps that keep updating their information (news, weather etc.) This will suck your download allowance dry. Don't use Crotana, she stores all her information in the cloud and does heaps of searches on the net. You will find your net usage will increase a bit after switching to 10, if you don't switch all the nice new things off your net usage will increase far more than a bit. Mine went up triple until before I hobbled the apps.

BaupleNut · Senior Member

Had windows 7 nothing but trouble with my canon printer read about all the negative comments about windows 10, but in the end upgraded for nicks and couldn't be happier the printer works better than it ever did, of course you must have a computer that can handle the upgrade.

Wanderlust · Veteran Member

Download a free utility called Never10 from grc.com - that'll stop it.

El Gringo · Senior Member

This will stop it too and get rid of all the nags etc.
GWX contol panel
ultimateoutsider.com/downloads/

Cheers,

Joe50 · Guru

Wanderlust wrote:
Download a free utility called Never10 from grc.com - that'll stop it.

Thanks for the heads up on GRC's Never10, Wanderlust. I'm a few months behind in listening to Steve Gibson's weekly Security Now podcast so haven't heard him mention this utility (yet). Will definitely run it on my laptop, and also search for the appropriate Security Now episode as I'm sure he'll give a full explanation of how it works.

Cheers

Joe

peter_s · Veteran Member

Thanks all will get on to that now i'm back in inet range

Hylife · Guru

The same basic code has been used for Windows Vista, 7, 8, 8.1 & 10 except that with each new iteration MS is getting better at trimming down the code size and automating an awful lot of stuff the dumb users fiddled with and screwed up their PCs.

Windows 10 only uses approx. 60% of the hardware resources that Windows 7 or 8 did and every PC I have worked on that has made the move to 10 has run considerably faster under 10 than previously.
Virtually every program written since Vista that works with Vista also works with 7, 8, 8.1 & 10.

Don't try and be King Canute, you can't stop the tide. One constant of live is change. Embrace new stuff or the old use it or loose it kicks in for the grey matter.
One major problem I continually see with my clients is those who have stubbornly held onto their old stuff because they were comfortable with it.
Eventually they are forced to update years later than they should have (often due to hardware failure) and suddenly they find themselves an a bewildering new world that is so foreign to what they were used to because they have leap-frogged 3 or more versions of Windows.
As we get older we are quite able to cope with small incremental changes but the big changes can lay us out flat.

Windows 8 was a bit weird but Windows 10 is so like Windows XP, Vista, 7, that you will pick it up in no time and unless the upgrade advisor app informs you of some old incompatible hardware, your PC will run much better than before.

Just take note to turn on "Set as Metered Connection" after the upgrade if you are using a Mobile Internet service, because like all previous versions of Windows, automatic Windows updates is turned on by default, and the new update methodology is to regularly release complete new builds of Windows, rather than force users to download greater and greater quantities of updates when they choose to do a Windows "refresh", which can amount to as much as a normal retail DVD edition (approx. 3.5GB).

If you really want to turn off the upgrade nag screen (upgrade advisor) because of incompatible hardware or software there is an easy fix. The upgrade advisor was released as one of those updates that you blindly accepted and ran instead of choosing to install manually, and runs as a scheduled task. A simple registry tweak can turn that off.

Open Notepad and then copy and paste the following 3 lines of text and save as GwxDisable.reg Be sure to choose All Files (*.*) from the Save as type and save it to the desktop:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Gwx]
"DisableGwx"=dword:00000001

Now just double click that reg file you saved on the desktop and accept the warning, then reboot your PC.

Oh, and folks, Do your d@mned weekly maintenance tasks for goodness sake. Disk Cleanup, Disk Defragment, Virus Scan.

-- Edited by Hylife on Sunday 19th of June 2016 10:36:00 PM

snap1946 · Senior Member

so why cant I get my camera since up grading to windows 10

snap

Santa · Guru

I agree with most of what Hylife saysHylife wrote:
The same basic code has been used for Windows Vista, 7, 8, 8.1 & 10 except that with each new iteration MS is getting better at trimming down the code size and automating an awful lot of stuff the dumb users fiddled with and screwed up their PCs.
Windows 10 only uses approx. 60% of the hardware resources that Windows 7 or 8 did and every PC I have worked on that has made the move to 10 has run considerably faster under 10 than previously.
Virtually every program written since Vista that works with Vista also works with 7, 8, 8.1 & 10.
Don't try and be King Canute, you can't stop the tide. One constant of live is change. Embrace new stuff or the old use it or loose it kicks in for the grey matter.
One major problem I continually see with my clients is those who have stubbornly held onto their old stuff because they were comfortable with it.
Eventually they are forced to update years later than they should have (often due to hardware failure) and suddenly they find themselves an a bewildering new world that is so foreign to what they were used to because they have leap-frogged 3 or more versions of Windows.
As we get older we are quite able to cope with small incremental changes but the big changes can lay us out flat.

Windows 8 was a bit weird but Windows 10 is so like Windows XP, Vista, 7, that you will pick it up in no time and unless the upgrade advisor app informs you of some old incompatible hardware, your PC will run much better than before.
Just take note to turn on "Set as Metered Connection" after the upgrade if you are using a Mobile Internet service, because like all previous versions of Windows, automatic Windows updates is turned on by default, and the new update methodology is to regularly release complete new builds of Windows, rather than force users to download greater and greater quantities of updates when they choose to do a Windows "refresh", which can amount to as much as a normal retail DVD edition (approx. 3.5GB).
If you really want to turn off the upgrade nag screen (upgrade advisor) because of incompatible hardware or software there is an easy fix. The upgrade advisor was released as one of those updates that you blindly accepted and ran instead of choosing to install manually, and runs as a scheduled task. A simple registry tweak can turn that off.
Open Notepad and then copy and paste the following 3 lines of text and save as GwxDisable.reg Be sure to choose All Files (*.*) from the Save as type and save it to the desktop:

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Gwx]
"DisableGwx"=dword:00000001

Now just double click that reg file you saved on the desktop and accept the warning, then reboot your PC.

Oh, and folks, Do your d@mned weekly maintenance tasks for goodness sake. Disk Cleanup, Disk Defragment, Virus Scan.

-- Edited by Hylife on Sunday 19th of June 2016 10:36:00 PM

I agree with most of what Hylife says with one caveat, mess with the registry at your own peril, it's a road fraught with risk.

-- Edited by Santa on Monday 20th of June 2016 09:54:43 PM

The Phantom · Guru

I run Linux Mint 17.3 Rosa and have never written and complained about it, ever. Oh, and by the way, I don't have to bother with virus apps or any of that rubbish.

I just press the Start button and compute.

The Phantom

Joe50 · Guru

The Never10 utility mentioned above does all of the registry editing. The following is from https://www.grc.com/never10/details.htm

Never10 manipulates the values and security permission settings of the following two registry keys:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\Gwx
Under this key, the 32-bit DWORD value "DisableGwx" is set to 1 or completely deleted.
These will be referred to as the "Gwx" key and the "DisableGwx" value. This key and value control the display of the "Get Windows 10" offer icon in the system tray. When DisableGwx is set to 1, the upgrade offer icon is suppressed.

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\WindowsUpdate
Under this key, the 32-bit DWORD value "DisableOSUpgrade" is set to 1 or completely deleted.
These will be referred to as the "WindowsUpdate" key and the "DisableOSUpgrade" value. This key and value control the downloading and installation of any upgrades to Windows. When DisableOSUpgrade is set to 1, any previously downloaded Windows 10 files are deleted and Windows will never attempt to upgrade the current operating system.

The utility, from https://www.grc.com/never10 is only 83kb, doesn't install anything or remain resident in memory.

Joe

Hylife · Guru

snap1946 wrote:
so why cant I get my camera since up grading to windows 10
snap

Posted solution to your camera on your other thread.

Hylife · Guru

Santa wrote:

I agree with most of what Hylife says with one caveat, mess with the registry at your own peril, it's a road fraught with risk.

-- Edited by Santa on Monday 20th of June 2016 09:54:43 PM

Which is why I provided the registry data that you can save in a reg file, and you can run it without messing with the registry.

If you are really worried about changes, make sure system restore is turned ON for C drive, and create a system restore point before you make the change, then if you want you can simply roll it all back to that previous point in time.

>Click the Start button then type system protection in the search box
> Choose to create a restore point
> Click "Create" to make a restore point

If you make some change and don't like it go back into system restore and choose the System Restore button and restore back to your chosen point.

dorian · Guru

The Phantom wrote:
I run Linux Mint 17.3 Rosa and have never written and complained about it, ever. Oh, and by the way, I don't have to bother with virus apps or any of that rubbish.

Are Adobe's annoying Flash update nag screens a Windows thing, or do they happen in Linux, too? Just curious ...

The Phantom · Guru

They don't happen on my computer.

The Phantom

Hylife · Guru

dorian wrote:
The Phantom wrote:
I run Linux Mint 17.3 Rosa and have never written and complained about it, ever. Oh, and by the way, I don't have to bother with virus apps or any of that rubbish.
Are Adobe's annoying Flash update nag screens a Windows thing, or do they happen in Linux, too? Just curious ...

If you have Windows 8, 8.1 or 10 you wont be getting those Adobe flash updates as Flash Player has been included in Windows since 8 after Microsoft and Adobe came to an agreement regarding keeping the player updated.

Flash is not a Windows component, it is a thrid party web display (animation) language used by many web sites. If you visit a site that uses flash for running their annimation (video, games, etc) then you need to have flash player installed on your PC as a browser add-in, regardless of what operating system you use.

If you choose to use Windows and also choose to use the less secure, non-conforming to standards, free browsers (no requirement for fitness for purpose), such as Google Chrome or the open source Mozilla Firefox, Microsoft has deliberately blocked their insecure access the the inbuilt Flash Player to prevent the opportunity for a virus to compromise your PC. Unfortunately, Google has taken to including their own variation of Flash player with Chrome which presents a major security risk.
Firefox on the other hand does not include Flash Player, nor can it access the inbuilt Windows version. Instead if you visit the Adobe web site using the Firefox browser, the Adobe servers will recognise Firefox and allow you to download a unique Firefox, up-to-date version of Flash Player.

Apple take a completely different approach to software. If they don't make it you can't use it. Apple does not support Flash at all.
There is nothing wrong with this approach, it just means that most commercial software made for other operating systems simply won't work on Apple computers unless you buy one capable of having Windows installed on it.
Currently 'Office for Mac' is the only mainstream commercial software package you can buy from a retail outlet. Office for Mac is a special edition of Office 2003 that Bill Gates made for Steve Jobs (Microsoft made the original Apple OS) to prevent Apple from going under. Of course the iPhone and later large screen versions called the iPad changed Apples fortunes substantially.

Whether we like Microsoft or not, the fact remains, they command over nearly 99% of the global market for personal computer operating systems and productivity software.
A little bit like Jayco, love em or hate em, they have the biggests market share so they must be doing something right.

The main reason for the demise of Java use on web pages was because it wasn't being kept up to date by its maker. Microsoft constantly got the blame for having an insecure browser when it was actually the Java add-in being targeted by the virus writers. In 2002 Microsoft started to take things into their own hands by doing their own patches for Java but Sun got their noses out of joint and Microsoft got sued and lost. As a consequence in 2003, as retaliation to the court imposed conditions over Java, Microsoft released an automatic Windows Update that uninstalled Java on every Windows PC on the planet. Sun almost went bankrupt overnight over that stupid stoush and eventaully were taken over for next to nothing by Oracle (a database software company) in 2010.