I've been breath tested three times in the last few months, twice while towing our caravan. All three times I blew 000%.

I must say how blatantly rude Victorian Police are, they have absolutely no manners & an unbelievably arrogant attitude.

I've always had respect for them in the past but not anymore.

I know they have to put up with a lot but that''s their choice of career. No need to be so rude to law abiding citizens.

rockylizard wrote:

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Desert Dweller wrote:

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SNIP~~~ All three times I blew 000%. ~~~SNIP

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Gday...

Did plod actually tell you you were 0.0% - that is - did they tell the actual reading you blew?

I am 99% certain they are not allowed to advise your reading if you blow below .05%.

That is in case you did have a few drinkies ... and it just might give the driver a false sense of security - eg 0.1% "Not bad, and I had 4 pots before." and that would/could lead the driver into thinking they could do that all the time - next time blowing 0.06%. .

Jest sayin' 

Cheers - John

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 The reason I KNOW that I blew 000% was the fact that on each occasion I hadn't had a drink for around three days prior to being tested. Good enough for me & the extremely rude constabulary. Is it good enough for you?

Unlike many retirees we have plenty of alcohol free days on our travels.

Just sayin'.

Gday...

Sorry DD  ... didn't mean to get ya knickers all in a knot 

Jest sayin' 

Perhaps you don't realise that many cough medicines will produce a reading of between 0.02% and 0.03% depending on the time between taking a dose and meeting plod wif a stick. 

Even some icecreams will also read 0.01% if ya eat one and meet plod with 30mins.

I am a non-drinker ... for what it's worth ... I work at harvesting regularly. On a property at Nyah in Victoria a couple of years ago, I had eaten a large bunch of Black Muscat grapes in the 30 minutes between knock-off and when plod made me blow in the stick ... coz the plod knew me and was surprised I raised a reading he said he wasn't allowed to tell me the reading but then said, "OH, look here comes another vehicle." .. and 'accidentally' held the reader pointed at me for about 10secs ... I saw the reading - 0.02%.

He told me to be careful just how many grapes I ate after work .... and to make sure I washed my mouth out before leaving the vineyard.

Cheers - and agen, sorry for getting ya dander up  - John

Desert Dweller wrote:

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SNIP~~~ Maybe they need a crash course on how to be Polite rather than Police.

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Gday...

yeah .. I've bumped into a few like you encountered and quite a lot who were 'normal folk' .... but I guess police persons are a bit like forum members ... some are OK ... some are not

We jest gotta take the good wif the not so good.

cheers - John

I agree with you about the attitude of Victoria police DD. In my experience it is too often high handed and arrogant.

Policing in a democratic country can only work effectively and efficiently with the cooperation of the public and given that people of the ilk of most posters to this forum are lightly to be decent, law abiding and good citizens then if the police are upsetting us - probably the easiest social group they deal with - then they likely have a *very* bad relationship with many other groups. Unfortunately the job of policing often attracts people who seek to control and wield power over others.

Perhaps the courteous police officers need to push for more training in this area for their less civil colleagues.

Hewy54 wrote:

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 Wow thanks for that. I was totally unaware that fresh grapes had alcohol content in them.

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Gday...

They actually don't have alcohol in their juice ... at the time of eating.

However, the juice can slightly 'ferment' in the saliva in the mouth over a bit of time .. and it is the juice that remains in the saliva that causes the 'false positive' reading.

If you google ... you will see there are some icecreams that have the same effect ... and many medicines (even prescription) and some lollies that leave an effect on the saliva.

That is why before being charged, the tester is supposed to take another reading 15 minutes or later to confirm whether it was a 'false positive' or not. Especially if you are showing no indication of having consumed alcohol - eg not a smell on the breath.

Cheers - John

Gday...

This will give some background and info ....

https://www.alcolizer.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/12660_WhitePaper_Substances-that-Can-Affect-A-Breath-test_LR.pdf

https://www.wklawdui.com/driving-influence-honey-buns/

Cheers - John

Mike Harding wrote:e

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I agree with you about the attitude of Victoria police DD. In my experience it is too often high handed and arrogant.

Policing in a democratic country can only work effectively and efficiently with the cooperation of the public and given that people of the ilk of most posters to this forum are lightly to be decent, law abiding and good citizens then if the police are upsetting us - probably the easiest social group they deal with - then they likely have a *very* bad relationship with many other groups. Unfortunately the job of policing often attracts people who seek to control and wield power over others.

Perhaps the courteous police officers need to push for more training in this area for their less civil colleagues.

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 The only thing democratic is we democraticly vote for a political party to dictate to us.

( tongue in check)