the reason we are were we are, is because of the lock down. we have not had the infection rate/deaths that other countries have had because of our over reaction and hope fully the powers to be will start to ease restrictions but not to quickly .
one step at a time as long as the hospitals are coping .the problem would be if the virus got out of control we could be worst off.
think i heard that 48 people are dying daily from heart disease? but the road toll is down

I received this in an email from a friend. it is solid stuff....



"The paragraphs below were written by a nurse who works with ventilators:

Here you go folks... for those people who don't understand what it means to be on a ventilator but want to take the chance of going back to work....

For starters, it's NOT an oxygen mask put over the mouth while the patient is comfortably lying down and reading magazines. Ventilation for COVID-19 is a painful intubation that goes down your throat and stays there until you live or you die.

It is done under anesthesia for 2 to 3 weeks without moving, often upside down, with a tube inserted from the mouth up to the trachea and allows you to breathe to the rhythm of the lung machine.

The patient can't talk or eat, or do anything naturally - the machine keeps you alive.

The discomfort and pain they feel from this means medical experts have to administer sedatives and painkillers to ensure tube tolerance for as long as the machine is needed. It's like being in an artificial coma.

After 20 days from this treatment, a young patient loses 40% muscle mass, and gets mouth or vocal cords trauma, as well as possible pulmonary or heart complications.

It is for this reason that old or already weak people can't withstand the treatment and die. Many of us are in this boat ... so stay safe unless you want to take the chance of ending up here. This is NOT the flu.

Add a tube into your stomach, either through your nose or skin for liquid food, a sticky bag around your butt to collect the diarrhea, a foley to collect urine, an IV for fluids and meds, an A-line to monitor your BP that is completely dependent upon finely calculated med doses, teams of nurses, CRNA's and MA's to reposition your limbs every two hours and lying on a mat that circulates ice cold fluid to help bring down your 104 degree temp.

Anyone want to try all that out?

Then stay home!
Stay safe and well!"

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I received this in an email from a friend. it is solid stuff....

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No it isn't. It's a diatribe intended to stir emotion.

Some supposed missive from a supposed nurse is not a sufficient reason to cause enormous damage to the economies of major nations.

On top of that it totally fails to consider the deaths which have occurred because of imagined effects of C19:

https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/05/15/we-could-open-up-again-and-forget-the-whole-thing/

C19 may, or may not, be a significant problem but we should not simply lie down and let governments walk all over us.

Mike Harding wrote: "No it isn't. It's a diatribe intended to stir emotion."

Free choice Mike. I am not panicking, but I am certainly not going round wildly socialising either. Right now, I am fully occupied caring for my wife who is recovering from major surgery, so there is no way that I would even consider going out for a drive etc, but hopefully soon I will be able to get her out in the sun and go somewhere for a change of scenery. We are not paranoid about the virus, but we certainly are not slap happy with it either.

Luckily we live in the country where currently we have no virus cases in our town. But we are en route to and from the ski fields, and I am certain there will be a lot of pressure on the Govt to allow the ski season to go ahead. Down come all the yuppies and ski bunnies (including one or two virus cases) and next thing some of the locals will get it too. And then we will all be in lockdown again around here. And some of the older residents (me included ) will then be exposed to the virus where we have missed out so far. And all because the ski field operators will be pressuring the Govt to open the ski fields for the season....

 

In a strange way, I am glad of the virus because at least we can get from one side of the main street to the other without having to risk life and limb from the ski traffic in winter and the fishing traffic in the summer. Normally, it is a case of cross the street before the June Long weekend, and wait until the October long weekend before we can get back....

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I am far from favouring our government, but comparing them to the USA government, one person in particular, I think that our system has kept us so much safer than the US. Yes - it is a damned nuisance, yes - our grandchildren will still be paying for all the incentives that have been thrown our way, but yes - our infection and death toll is so much less that other countries, it makes it all worthwhile.

 

It is worth remembering that the majority of deaths which come from this virus are elderly people, whose ability to resist the virus has been reduced by a number of factors, age being the key one, but also lifestyle and affluence. I have never smoked, yet I have a severe respiratory condition and if the virus hit me, I doubt I would survive it. What price do you put on that?

It's not hard to see that a large segment of the population have been conned by the misinformation and over reaction lead by the media claptrap, reality there are big tracts of Australia that have had zero infections of the virus, but have to endure the stupid shutdowns because at it's height of this perceived crisis it was still less than 0.03% infection rate, social distancing and shutdowns were not the reason the infection rate went down. Many hospitals across the nation were almost empty, never seeing a single case, my niece is a nurse in a country hospital, she had to work 12 hour shifts sitting around doing nothing, but being paid 4 hours overtime a day. Truth is the victim of this saga.

i wonder why the country is in good shape is it because of the restrictions ? when this business started the health system was in no state to handle what was coming, now that things are up to speed it would appear we are now prepared for the worst, if it happens. if the lifting restriction let things run a bit wild .
most country towns have no reported cases. would that be because of the restrictions ? probably
will thing get back NORMAL ? what is normal
as stated previously if our leadership had of behaved as some other countries leadership did we could of had possibly 9000 + dead people instead of 100 people who died
i think our country has done well even with the mistakes that were made .
we can see what happens overseas when people don't follow the health warnings (USA) an compare to a country that follows health warnings (Viet Nam) 100,000,000 people no deaths due to corona virus .

as restrictions get eased i hope people don't all rush out an go as far as they can, as fast as they can. as soon as they can , just because they can.
some will ,i for one will be about 3 week behind them if things a looking good and it is deemed safe for older people to out and about.
most country towns will still be lacking medical facilities and any outbreaks would stretch things and cases sent to major centres for treatment

stay safe

All the smart people are predicting a Second Wave if the general population does not remain cautious and actively participate in a staged reopening. I am very happy that my State Government is more concerned with saving lives rather than concentrating on some sort of economic recovery.

Iza

So glad our country, both state and federal, is being run by good, sensible, educated people.
They are listening to the experts, thats "health experts and scientists", not f..x news or some of those redneck disc jockeys on the eastern coast.
I am glad we don't have an "orange idiot" in charge here, but sadly, I can see that "some" people here on this forum would probably prefer that other option.
regards
Ian

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So glad our country, both state and federal, is being run by good, sensible, educated people.
They are listening to the experts, thats "health experts and scientists", not f..x news or some of those redneck disc jockeys on the eastern coast.
I am glad we don't have an "orange idiot" in charge here, but sadly, I can see that "some" people here on this forum would probably prefer that other option.
regards
Ian

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 Ian ..

I agree strongly with those who express views similar to yours.  I see the USA as a society in decline in that they can elect and in large part continue to support such an incompetent administration.

We aught to keep travel restrictions et. al. in place until the virus is in complete control as determined by the experts/scientists .. not the Economists or the vested interests.  BTW I see it as a sign of success that many Hospitals are empty.

It is good that we have a Govt. that in this case choose to listen to the experts/scientists (wouldn't it be great if they would do the same WRT Climate Change), and then implement decisions that put people first.  Or at least they have up until now, but I see the cracks appearing as their ideologues begin to push their agenda under the cloud of the focus on Covid 19.

 

While I would like to welcome the Southeners back to Qld. for winter, filling up the CPs to the extent that as usual the locals can't get a reasonable site, I am just hoping that the Qld Premier holds out long enough for us to winter at Hervey Bay.  LOL 

Perhaps a "Great Big Lovely Wall"  might be the answer, hey.  LOL

 

BTW, I trust our form of voter determined Govt. rather than the Free Market mechanisms of the Capitalist world.  I support more Govt. regulation, not less.

Well, we couldn't have all those people chucked out of their jobs having fun (on the public purse) when the frontline workers were risking life and limb. Thus they had to close everything down. Including pastimes like camping, fishing boating and golfing where there was little chance of breaking social distancing rules.... just saying. Clamp down - necessary but so much? 

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 Yes there have been 100 sad deaths.

Or do we learn to live with covid-19?

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 6 deaths in Qld.    Mostly quite old folk and nearly all from a Cruise Ship infection site.   Along comes the lockdown and no more deaths.   Zero new cases reported most days.   Is the lockdown working?    Yes is the correct answer.   I have no intention of learning to live with Covid-19.   The right way ahead is pretty clear and the responsible authorities have it right as shown by the results. 

The contrast to be recognised is in the 1000% increases in cases reported in places in the USA where the Numpties are ignoring pro-social behaviours in favour of close contact as an expression of their individual rights.    I notice these fools are dismissive of those who also have the right and desire to avoid infection.

Iza

My opinion is

I do not know enough about this Coronavirus, to predict, what is the best for me/Western Australia/Australia/World, so I will follow the advice, of the medical people

Looking at the best and worst scenario, world wide

Best = Taiwan. This country was geared up for a Sars epidemic, as they had been through that scenario, a few years earlier
They quickly locked down
As of 20 May 2020. Coronavirus cases 440, deaths 7 (0.3 deaths per million of population)

Worst = United States of America. For whatever reason, which has nothing to do with me, they were very slow to lockdown
They appeared (to me), to have placed economy before health.
As of 20 May 2020. Coronavirus cases 1,570,583 deaths 93,533 (283 deaths per million of population)

Link for the above information, is below
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

I had already agreed with myself, (long before Coronavirus) that my health, will always come before my wealth

Usual disclaimer, that as I am in my 70's, I doubt if any boss, would be silly enough to employ me, in the future

I therefore support the lockdowns, until the medical (and not the economic) people, give the all clear

Copy and paste to what the WA premier said, a few hours after I posted my original opinion

 

 

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Tony Bev wrote:

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Best = Taiwan. 

 

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 It seems Vietnam might beat that.   Zero deaths.    But then Vietnam imposed lockdowns in January.    Smart people those Vietnamese.  

Iza