Suspension upgrade

orid · Senior Member

Suspension upgrade

orid · Senior Member

Hope this all some help to you Gus sorry if we have gone off track somewhat
Regards Orid

orid · Senior Member

Yobar those figures are nice er,

Ill see what the engineer has to say be about a week or so because he needs to see my original license for the axle weights ,and I am away for a few more days
Regards Orid
Thanks again your a champ

yobarr · Guru

orid wrote:
Yobar those figures are nicer,

Ill see what the engineer has to say be about a week or so because he needs to see my original license for the axle weights ,and I am away for a few more days
Regards Orid
Thanks again your a champ

Thanks Peter,for your kind words...I look forward to helping you,as I have done with other members who were receptive to my presentation of facts.Simple physics! Cheers

-- Edited by yobarr on Friday 2nd of October 2020 09:47:32 AM

Gus1949 · Senior Member

No canopy just a lid. Porpoising has only been on realy bad sealed roads otherwise good. No WDH.

orid · Senior Member

Gus I can recommend polyair they work really well for me (15 yrs )personally at the risk of flames !!! Long as yo are under gvm worth trying as a first optionRegards Orid

Radar · Guru

Gus1949 wrote:
No canopy just a lid. Porpoising has only been on realy bad sealed roads otherwise good. No WDH.

If I did not have the expensive canopy on my ute which come with soft suspension for comfort the air bags would of been enough but found we needed more and had a total suspension make over at around 60 000 ks, money well spent.

As I have enjoyed using airbags for nearly 6 years with light loads in the tub of the ute and 270 plus kilograms on the towball and no wdh towing 2.7 tonnes of caravan for 4 years, previous a 2 tonne caravan. Our gross weight is around 5.5 tonnes

The car has now travelled 136 000 ks of which getting close 100 000 kilometres towing our caravans.

Air bags for the ute cost sub $400 and couple of hours to fit them.

We run a small amount of air in them when not towing, use a bicycle pump to put a bit more air in when towing to about 12 psi, in our ute 18 psi was to much.

What ever your decision, enjoy learning and your travels.

orid · Senior Member

Yobarr PM sent,
Orid

Noelpolar · Veteran Member

I notice some talk about 200 series axle weights and GVM increases..... I can attest to how a simple GVM increase on a 200 series can be worth it for some, such as myself. Whilst I won't harp on it... a 200 series with some towball weight..... can easily reach it's standard rear axle max (1950kg) whilst still having 1550kg or a bit more on it's front axle.... so 3500kg is often seen..... so a 3650kg GVM increase to axle ratings suits these people. Off course.... one can add a lightly engaded WDH to move a little bit more back to the front axle as well. Off course in these scenarios a GCM increase is not needed.... as 3650 vehicle weight with 3150 van axle weight still is under the standard GCM of 6850.

yobarr · Guru

Noelpolar wrote:
I notice some talk about 200 series axle weights and GVM increases..... I can attest to how a simple GVM increase on a 200 series can be worth it for some, such as myself. Whilst I won't harp on it... a 200 series with some towball weight..... can easily reach it's standard rear axle max (1950kg) whilst still having 1550kg or a bit more on it's front axle.... so 3500kg is often seen..... so a 3650kg GVM increase to axle ratings suits these people. Off course.... one can add a lightly engaded WDH to move a little bit more back to the front axle as well. Off course in these scenarios a GCM increase is not needed.... as 3650 vehicle weight with 3150 van axle weight still is under the standard GCM of 6850.

Hi Noel...unfortunately,what you write is incorrect.A "lightly engaged" WDH still adds weight to your van's axle group,putting you over your van's ATM.An LC200 simply cannot SAFELY and legally tow a 3500kg van.Details tomorrow.Cheers

orid · Senior Member

Its Scary isnt it ? that so many over estimate their payload capacity.
Orid

orid · Senior Member

the Sahara for example has I think only 610 kg payload no matter what you tow.

not much better than my FJ

fill fuel tank about 118 kg, 4x passengers say 280 kg , tow ball say 230kg , or a massive 350 kg for 3500 kg van already over weight , and no accessories

add roo bar , fridge , spots and all the usual stuff ,you are way over.

I think thats about right .

Orid

-- Edited by orid on Monday 12th of October 2020 12:45:37 AM

Noelpolar · Veteran Member

yobarr wrote:
Noelpolar wrote:
I notice some talk about 200 series axle weights and GVM increases..... I can attest to how a simple GVM increase on a 200 series can be worth it for some, such as myself. Whilst I won't harp on it... a 200 series with some towball weight..... can easily reach it's standard rear axle max (1950kg) whilst still having 1550kg or a bit more on it's front axle.... so 3500kg is often seen..... so a 3650kg GVM increase to axle ratings suits these people. Off course.... one can add a lightly engaded WDH to move a little bit more back to the front axle as well. Off course in these scenarios a GCM increase is not needed.... as 3650 vehicle weight with 3150 van axle weight still is under the standard GCM of 6850.
Hi Noel...unfortunately,what you write is incorrect.A "lightly engaged" WDH still adds weight to your van's axle group,putting you over your van's ATM.An LC200 simply cannot SAFELY and legally tow a 3500kg van.Details tomorrow.Cheers

Sorry yobar.... I didn't say what the van ATM was.......what I said was 3150kg on van axle which would include some weight transfer from WDH (if used off course).. .. I did not say van was 3500kg....no mention of ATM by me...... anyway.. .. no point arguing with you.... read my post slowly.... and don't assume or project.... I believe my post is correct.

-- Edited by Noelpolar on Monday 12th of October 2020 09:39:36 PM

yobarr · Guru

Noelpolar wrote:
yobarr wrote:
Noelpolar wrote:
I notice some talk about 200 series axle weights and GVM increases..... I can attest to how a simple GVM increase on a 200 series can be worth it for some, such as myself. Whilst I won't harp on it... a 200 series with some towball weight..... can easily reach it's standard rear axle max (1950kg) whilst still having 1550kg or a bit more on it's front axle.... so 3500kg is often seen..... so a 3650kg GVM increase to axle ratings suits these people. Off course.... one can add a lightly engaded WDH to move a little bit more back to the front axle as well. Off course in these scenarios a GCM increase is not needed.... as 3650 vehicle weight with 3150 van axle weight still is under the standard GCM of 6850.
Hi Noel...unfortunately,what you write is incorrect.A "lightly engaged" WDH still adds weight to your van's axle group,putting you over your van's ATM.An LC200 simply cannot SAFELY and legally tow a 3500kg van.Details tomorrow.Cheers
Sorry yobar.... I didn't say what the van ATM was.......what I said was 3150kg on van axle which would include some weight transfer from WDH (if used off course).. .. I did not say van was 3500kg....no mention of ATM by me...... anyway.. .. no point arguing with you.... read my post slowly.... and don't assume or project.... I believe my post is correct.
-- Edited by Noelpolar on Monday 12th of October 2020 09:39:36 PM

Hi Noel...if I thought that you would heed any advice that I could give,I would be happy to write a long explanation of why your figures are unobtainable,but,briefly,there is no way you'll get 1700kg onto your car's front axle when the van is connected.The way that I concluded that your van weighs 3500kg is that I simply added the generally accepted 10% towball weight to your stated weight-on-van-wheels of 3150kg.(3150+350=3500).The problem starts with the fact that 350kg towball weight adds around 525kg to your car's rear axle,so simple maths would show that the maximum weight on that axle before adding towball weight would be 1425kg (1950-525=1425). Happy to give detailed figures if you are willing to understand them.Cheers

Bill B · Guru

yobarr wrote:

Happy to give detailed figures if you are willing to understand them.Cheers

People maybe more willing to listen if your attitude wasn't so condescending

Noelpolar · Veteran Member

yobarr wrote:
Noelpolar wrote:
yobarr wrote:
Noelpolar wrote:
I notice some talk about 200 series axle weights and GVM increases..... I can attest to how a simple GVM increase on a 200 series can be worth it for some, such as myself. Whilst I won't harp on it... a 200 series with some towball weight..... can easily reach it's standard rear axle max (1950kg) whilst still having 1550kg or a bit more on it's front axle.... so 3500kg is often seen..... so a 3650kg GVM increase to axle ratings suits these people. Off course.... one can add a lightly engaded WDH to move a little bit more back to the front axle as well. Off course in these scenarios a GCM increase is not needed.... as 3650 vehicle weight with 3150 van axle weight still is under the standard GCM of 6850.
Hi Noel...unfortunately,what you write is incorrect.A "lightly engaged" WDH still adds weight to your van's axle group,putting you over your van's ATM.An LC200 simply cannot SAFELY and legally tow a 3500kg van.Details tomorrow.Cheers
Sorry yobar.... I didn't say what the van ATM was.......what I said was 3150kg on van axle which would include some weight transfer from WDH (if used off course).. .. I did not say van was 3500kg....no mention of ATM by me...... anyway.. .. no point arguing with you.... read my post slowly.... and don't assume or project.... I believe my post is correct.
-- Edited by Noelpolar on Monday 12th of October 2020 09:39:36 PM
Hi Noel...if I thought that you would heed any advice that I could give,I would be happy to write a long explanation of why your figures are unobtainable,but,briefly,there is no way you'll get 1700kg onto your car's front axle when the van is connected.The way that I concluded that your van weighs 3500kg is that I simply added the generally accepted 10% towball weight to your stated weight-on-van-wheels of 3150kg.(3150+350=3500).The problem starts with the fact that 350kg towball weight adds around 525kg to your car's rear axle,so simple maths would show that the maximum weight on that axle before adding towball weight would be 1425kg (1950-525=1425). Happy to give detailed figures if you are willing to understand them.Cheers

Oh dear.... let it go yohbar.... I did not say one can or can not get 3650 on axles.... I did say "3500" is often seen.... as is the case with my vehicle....

Anyway.... I'm sure lots would end up with 1600 to 1700 on their front axle that have a front bar, aux battery and use a WDH.... allowiing them to get close to a 3650 GVM.... but most with a 3650.... like me..... are probally just a bit over their 3350.... and if wanting a higher rating would pay the dollars for a 3800 or 4,000 etc etc product.... not complicated.