Covid-19 vaccine

Tony Bev · Guru

Covid-19 vaccine

bgt · Guru

A vaccine will only work if everyone is vaccinated. So how do you 'force' people to be vaccinated?

Wanda · Guru

A very very good point with the virus here really under control, and going into summer, maybe we could with hold a small quantity here for the most vulnerable and send the rest to where it is needed the most.

No madness in your thinking, just a great selfless idea
regards
Ian

outlaw40 · Guru

Not wanting to rain on the parade BUT the vaccine they are starting to manufacture hasn't finished clinical trials yet , bit of wishful thinking on someone's part maybe .

Whenarewethere · Guru

Probably in the region of 93% of the population need to be vaccinated.

dogbox · Guru

Wanda wrote:

A very very good point with the virus here really under control, and going into summer, maybe we could with hold a small quantity here for the most vulnerable and send the rest to where it is needed the most.

No madness in your thinking, just a great selfless idea

regards

Ian

we might have it under control but it was at great cost to our economy. i think we should be careful it might get away again, like it has in other places. we should immunize (protect)our selves first then we can assist others that are struggling.
then open our borders to other that have been immunized . when i was young an travelling the world i had to carry a vaccine certificate with my passport to have access to some countries those days maybe returning as most cases in aust are returned travelers fortunately in quarantine

Wanda · Guru

Outlaw40, no need to state the bleeding obvious, we can all read.

outlaw40 · Guru

At what point in ops post does it say that clinic trials have not finished and the vaccine has not yet been proved fit for human use .. suggest you pull your head in WANDA .

dogbox · Guru

outlaw40 wrote:

At what point in ops post does it say that clinic trials have not finished and the vaccine has not yet been proved fit for human use .. suggest you pull your head in WANDA .

what the man (someone important?) on the news said was that we still won't get it for the people till the second quarter of 2021 if all goes well

outlaw40 · Guru

And that the CLINICAL TRIALS would not be completed for 3 months . How can they be going into production without the clinical trial data complete ,sorry sounds pie in the sky to me and at the very least a very poor business model .

dorian · Guru

It has long been mooted that governments would take a punt and pre-emptively manufacture promising vaccines well ahead of their final approval. Therefore the recent public statements are consistent with this approach.

Tony Bev · Guru

As a follow up from my original post

At the bottom is a link to the news article (dated yesterday), which clearly states that the vaccine was being manufactured (as from yesterday)

Perhaps I should have included the link, but I did not think that I would be causing any controversy

To clear up my way of thinking, very early in the piece, just about everyone worldwide agreed to fast track, any proven Covid-19 vaccine

The article does say that as it will take 50 days to make the vaccine, it will be ready for when the final trial is complete

I assume that they are talking about a fast track trial

https://www.9news.com.au/national/coronavirus-vaccine-melbourne-laboratory-csl-begins-processing-oxford-university-astrazeneca/b277e6da-af60-4886-9b16-ba2fb028e3b2

outlaw40 · Guru

Tony Bev thats my point ,who manufactures a product before its proven to work and safe ? which is exactly what the article is suggesting . dont get me wrong i wish them all the best and hope that its a success just seems a bit irish to me .

Wanda · Guru

Arguing for the sake of arguing, you are true to form oulaw40

outlaw40 · Guru

Its called a discussion you muppet ... go away fool .

Tony Bev · Guru

Hi outlaw40

I seem to recall in the distant past, that the health people worldwide, had decided to cut through all corners, to get this Covid-19 vaccine out

I think that they had decided, that due to the potential catastrophe, of waiting for the full term trials, (sometimes takes years), they would take a chance

It appears to me, (and I certainly hope that I am wrong), that with some world leaders (for whatever reason), ignoring Covid-19, it may be too late for some countries, to now go into lockdown, and they are eagerly waiting for whatever vaccine they can get

dogbox · Guru

outlaw40 wrote:

Tony Bev thats my point ,who manufactures a product before its proven to work and safe ? which is exactly what the article is suggesting . dont get me wrong i wish them all the best and hope that its a success just seems a bit irish to me .

from what i'm reading the vaccine is being produced so it can be used as soon as it has been approved on the assumption that it will be approved
the government has paid for 10 million doses to fund it's production which won't cover all of us but could cover the high risk / front line people,
by then the next batch or a better one that maybe in the pipeline will be made. if they wait for approval it may add couple of months on, till we the people get it

outlaw40 · Guru

Yes i understand why but i am just not sure i agree with that approach but anyway as i said i hope above hope i am wrong i will bow out ofthis discussion now.

Tony LEE · Guru

Got it under control have we?? You wish!!!

dogbox · Guru

Tony LEE wrote:

Got it under control have we?? You wish!!!

at the moment it is being controlled/contained but if we get complacent, (which i think we are, fewer an fewer wearing face masks less hand sanitizer being used, bigger crowds, less testing) it could break out an run wild . i don't think another lock down would be received very well

dabbler · Guru

I wouldn't accept a vaccine that hadn't been thoroughly and successfully tested. I would discourage my family and friends to reject any vaccine that hasn't been thoroughly and successfully tested. The idea our domestic economy will dramatically improve with a vaccine is nonsense. Infection control will assist our domestic economy and a vaccine is only a small part of the equation (if we quarantine any and ALL international entries). A vaccinated population that's geographically segregated will provide increased protection for that population but a worldwide vaccinated population has to be achieved before things will ever return to a pre-2020 world.

dabbler · Guru

Oops. Meant encourage not discourage.

dogbox · Guru

10 million of us could be Guinea pigs

dabbler · Guru

Feds have pre-purchased another 50 million vaccine doses about a week ago. They have plans for all of us.

dogbox · Guru

dabbler wrote:

I wouldn't accept a vaccine that hadn't been thoroughly and successfully tested. I would discourage my family and friends to reject any vaccine that hasn't been thoroughly and successfully tested. The idea our domestic economy will dramatically improve with a vaccine is nonsense. Infection control will assist our domestic economy and a vaccine is only a small part of the equation (if we quarantine any and ALL international entries). A vaccinated population that's geographically segregated will provide increased protection for that population but a worldwide vaccinated population has to be achieved before things will ever return to a pre-2020 world.

bill gates has not been mentioned (yet)

Recoup · Guru

Lawyers File Action Against Corrupt Australian Government

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Tony Bev · Guru

Recoup wrote:
Lawyers File Action Against Corrupt Australian Government

www.concernedlawyersnetwork.net/

I stopped reading after the 15 point summary

As I am not a legal type person, I have no legal words in my vocabulary

My (in layman speak) opinion of the 15 point summary, taken as a whole paragraph is:-

Not printable

msg · Guru

Tony Bev Wrote:
' I seem to recall in the distant past, that the health people worldwide, had decided to cut through all corners, to get this Covid-19 vaccine out

I think that they had decided, that due to the potential catastrophe, of waiting for the full term trials, (sometimes takes years), they would take a chance"
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I'll just be a very generous person and go to the back of the line and wait till everyone else in all countries has had a dose first. LOL

Recoup · Guru

msg wrote:
I'll just be a very generous person and go to the back of the line and wait till everyone else in all countries has had a dose first. LOL
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I will give you $20 ,if you take mine ,cheers