Certainly I would consider some of the specialised cleanup operations to be skilled.

Bar operations in larger places, with food, betting, mixing ****tails and other services, as well as expanding legal requirements on staff would also tend to suggest a higher level of skill and understanding than just pulling beers!

I wouldnt be judging skill levels of any jobs unless I have done the current equivalents.

I have done 3d work, has taken years to learn & I am only at the basic level. It would take 10 years to be good enough in a wide range of 3d areas, & run my own home 3d render farm, what a challenge that is. Let's not get on to the cost.

But there is no PhD!

TheHeaths wrote:

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than just pulling beers!

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 Pulling a beer needs some practice, you can't just pull that handle and have it turn out right, you have to actually do it in a certain way not to end up with a cup full of froth. 

dogbox wrote:

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what is a " home 3d render farm"? please explain

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 A render farm is a pile of computer that spit out frames for a movie. A James Bond movie will have used thousands of computers for all the digital work.

Or you can get a lot of computers working on a single image. The longest time for me was about 48 house to render (digitally process) one image, an A3 300 dpi file.

A frightening amount of electricity is used to make movies.

It takes just as long today as resolution has gone up a lot. 4k movies, double it for stereo imaging.

 

A one minute movie, 30 frames a second, so 1800 frames, took my 9 CPUs three weeks to make. 2400 watt continuously 24 hours a day! A decade ago.

 

An unskilled job is something the majority of people can be taught to
do within a few days.

Skills take time to acquire and even people with natural skills such
as in music or sport take much time and effort to hone those skills
to a professional level.

Unfortunately we now seem to live in a society which believes everyone
"has to feel valued" so unskilled jobs have been wrongly elevated and
captioned as skilled. We don't have rat catchers we have rodent
control officers.

There is nothing wrong or substandard about doing an unskilled job as
we discovered many years ago in the UK when the dustman went on
strike, very quickly we learned how important dustman actually were
to the running of society and the prevention of disease.

A person's value should not be determined by the job they do; a shop
assistant has no less intrinsic or moral worth than a surgeon or
classical musician. Indeed, my life experience indicates people
working in unskilled areas are often more prepared to take a risk in
helping others than "Professionals" - they have less to lose and are
usually less up themselves I think.

We should call a spade a spade: making coffee in a restaurant is not
a skilled job, being a vet is.

You just do not know what other things you may get from a skilled one, unskilled for me!

Dr Jayant Patel of Bundaberg Base Hospital was "skilled" worker!

OK would some define "skilled" as opposed to "incompetent".

Derek Barnes wrote:

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Would you describe a "politician" as a skilled job or an unskilled job. You don't need any degrees to be a politician!

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 A bit like a used car salesman!

Possum3 wrote:

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Whenarewethere wrote:

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Dr Jayant Patel of Bundaberg Base Hospital was "skilled" worker!

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 No he wasn't. That's why he was sacked.

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 Patel should have been a slaughterman in abattoir, and he would have stuffed that up.

 

One day, my cranky teacher caught me staring out the class room window, slapping his feather duster on deck and yelling "you wont get anywhere  staring out there". Well I proved him wrong in a big way, from the day I turned 17, I sat in a corner office with an awesome view going everywhere in this beautiful country for near on 48 years.

As transport driver we are deemed unskilled.

I think that Trevor 57, has hit the nail on the head

In the modern era, a skilled person is someone who has had a bit of training, and has a certificate to present to the employer

In my era, when we left school, we received a piece of paper, (handwritten) about your academic achievements (if any)
Plus a very short note, on how your headmaster saw you, or words to that effect

I think the car that Doug is driving and towing the caravan may not be a Pilot. We had a Pilot when I was a little kid and I am sure the windscreen had more of a downward curve in it. There were not many models of them and they were replaced by the Consul and the Zephyr. I think the Pilot were a British car made by Ford. I am not sure but if I was having a guess I reckon it might be a Wolseley.

I agree with the Bedford and the Austin and perhaps the last car is either a Chev, Pontiac or Buick.

-- Edited by DMaxer on Monday 14th of December 2020 11:24:48 AM

 

Here's a Ford V8 Pilot of the series that I remembered. 

Perhaps a slightly different windscreen & I can't see the over riders on the bumper but a lot of similarities like the spots & side lights on the mudguards along with the bonnet emblem.  The B&W photo is not clear enough to reveal the hole in the grill to take the crank handle & the number plate on my pic obscures the bottom of the grill extending below the bumper.

I think that I'll go with the Pontiac for the last one.

 

"The Ford Pilot Model E71A is a medium-sized car that was built by Ford UK from August 1947 to 1951. It was effectively replaced in 1951 with the launch of Ford UK's Zephyr Six and Consul models, though V8 Pilots were still offered for sale, being gradually withdrawn during that year. In its production run 22,155 cars were made".