The Cashless debit card, is coming for everyone, within 2 years time, hope you people whom are pensioners and veterans, remember next time round, to stop these idiots from doing it to you and everyone else whom receives payments from the government. But if you think that you personally need money management, at your age then by all means support them. One of the things you wont be allowed to do is travel, or maybe not be able to even buy a caravan or RV. No lotteries or weekly lotto, no smokes, and no daily happy hour. Only 45% of businesses out there will be authorised to accept the card. No cash buys from farmers markets, no buying used clothes, or furniture from op shops. no buying firewood from a supplier in the bush. No being allowed to go into licensed premises to buy a meal, as alcohol is sold there, so card wont work. But by all means if you support the gov. , then you support the card. Just remember at 70 years of age, how would like being told, that you don't know how to manage your funds and the government will do it for you, because they don't trust you. Something to look forward to.
-- Edited by Bicyclecamper on Thursday 10th of December 2020 10:57:15 PM
Not entirely correct Ric. At the moment the CDC is only part of allocated benefit, the remainder is deposited as cash for any discretionary spending. Any genuine business is able to apply to be listed to accept payment from the CDC. It may well prevent some cash deals for goods/services that currently are not collecting GST, which is Tax evasion.
If it helps rid the Country of Drugs and illicit or nefarious dealings, it won't be all bad
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Well, I can see it being a good thing for the pensioners and veterans, of which I am classified as one, as many a time I go to the RSL sub branch, ( which does not sell alcohol) , and drop into the RSM club to find a RSL member to let me into the rooms, and their are loads of pensioners in there, on the pokkies, so it will stop that at least. For the other comment as how much of this is true, I was watching the parliment until 1am this morning, and then reading the Parliment twitter page, and the government, said they are hoping to bring it in for everyone, at the end of the next 2 year trial, that was passed at 12.30 am this morning. So it is coming. I don't drink alcohol, But I do smoke, but two things I would like to see, banned in Australia, is alcohol and cigarettes. It would save so much heartache if you could not buy alcohol any more, plus a lot less violence as well. So the good thing about the CDC would be about 6 million people, would not be able to buy or drink alcohol anymore, so a lot of pubs and clubs would shut down,. No more lottos or gambling as well. A lot less violence and lawbreaking would disappear as well. I maybe looking at this the wrong way, it could be a good thing if vets., and pensioners lose the right to waste their money, but to live more sensibly on it.
I did read whom it applies too. It currently exempts Vets and pensioners in the trial sites only, but they wont be exempt, when it is rolled out nationally. But even so, do you think, that disability pensioners should be exempt as well, especially the ones that are over 60, don't they have a right to have a normal life, or do you think, they must be managed as well. An people on family payments, should they have managed money. Or are you have the same belief as Pauline Hanson whom last night said, people whom go on welfare have no rights, and are not entitled to rights. Disabled pensioners such as myself, didn't want to go on the pension, but I had no choice. I do also have a Disabled Vet.s pension injured whilst on the the job is this my punishment, getting a government support package does not entitle me to any rights anymore. That at 61, I must be told how to look after the money they so graciously give me.
-- Edited by Bicyclecamper on Friday 11th of December 2020 12:01:04 AM
The irony is that, if people hadn't squandered their wages on drugs, gambling and alcohol in their youth, then they wouldn't be dependent on a handout today.
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I did read whom it applies too. It currently exempts Vets and pensioners in the trial sites only, but they wont be exempt, when it is rolled out nationally. But even so, do you think, that disability pensioners should be exempt as well, especially the ones that are over 60, don't they have a right to have a normal life, or do you think, they must be managed as well. An people on family payments, should they have managed money. Or are you have the same belief as Pauline Hanson whom last night said, people whom go on welfare have no rights, and are not entitled to rights. Disabled pensioners such as myself, didn't want to go on the pension, but I had no choice. I do also have a Disabled Vet.s pension injured whilst on the the job is this my punishment, getting a government support package does not entitle me to any rights anymore. That at 61, I must be told how to look after the money they so graciously give me.
-- Edited by Bicyclecamper on Friday 11th of December 2020 12:01:04 AM
Hi Ric....whilst I can understand your indignation,and,to a degree,sympathise with you,we need to find some way to help many welfare recipients manage their money.A lot of us who still pay many thousands of dollars in tax each year might feel that we should have a say in how this gold is distributed? There is little doubt that genuinely disabled people need support,and oldies should be entitled to benefit from a system that they have contributed to for decades,but I object to supporting people who do not work,will not work,and never have worked.There's thousands of them,with many being able to be found on licenced premises,drinking beer and playing pokies,with the occasional break to duck outside for a cigarette or a joint. Yeah,times certainly are tough.Recently I read of some chap bleating about how tough life is on welfare,with 9 kids to support.My heart bleeds for him,but he needs to understand that it certainly was not me who fathered his offspring,so why should I have any obligation to support him? And for all those who bleat "No work", that is garbage. Thousands of people are needed to pick fruit and harvest crops,while there is a concerning number of trucking companies who cannot find drivers....a friend of mine has just left town to take up a driving job "Out West" at $45/hr plus accomodation. Although I am old,that seems to be good money? In my opinion,welfare payments are too high,as they should be used to support those in need,not to support a way of life. When the Govt chose to virtually double the dole,a local courier driver got himself fired,and went onto the dole because it now pays more than he was earning.He now fills in his day smoking weed and racing around the countryside on his trail bike.Life certainly is tough! Many people seem to feel that they're "entitled" to welfare,while others simply rort the system.I am aware of two big strong men,aged in their forties,who both have managed to weasel their way onto a permanent disbility pension,whilst living in housing commission houses.To supplement their meagre ($570/week??) income,they bought a small truck and started a furniture removal business.How they can effortlessly throw a piano onto the back of their truck,while both are "disabled" is beyond me.Merry Xmas to all.Cheers...
-- Edited by yobarr on Friday 11th of December 2020 12:25:11 PM
This thing is across the board, they are goin going to tar everybody with the same brush. If you have a proven track record, of managing the money, why should you be penalised for that.
So dorian, you are saying that all the old pensioners, veterans and even myself, were druggies, drunks and wasteful gamblers back in the day. If I had known that if I was injured on the job in the army, and would be treated like a child by the government later in life, I would not have joined up to defend our way of life, or for our freedom. Commonsense now for defense personelle, would be to walk away from the job, and tell Australia and it's taxpayers to get stuffed..
The irony is that, if people hadn't squandered their wages on drugs, gambling and alcohol in their youth, then they wouldn't be dependent on a handout today.
The irony is that, if people hadn't squandered their wages on drugs, gambling and alcohol in their youth, then they wouldn't be dependent on a handout today.
Hi dorian, thats not so foreveryone,
Most certainly such comments do not apply to everybody,but as a generalisation,perhaps they are relevent? There are far too many "takers" for the "donors" (sic) to be able to comfortably fund.The "poor me" brigade get far too much support simply because their numbers now are so great that they have immense voting power.These people seem not to understand that the seemingly endless money supply is finite.The money tree has been stripped bare by the actions of the many thousands who double dip......receiving various benefits,and working "under the table" for cash etc.Then we get the allegedly single mothers who are "shacked up" with a partner who works. Although "Un-Australian" perhaps rewards could be offered to those who "dob in" bludgers such as these? I will stop here,because if I really get going,I will be here all night.Cheers.
The irony is that, if people hadn't squandered their wages on drugs, gambling and alcohol in their youth, then they wouldn't be dependent on a handout today.
That is one of the worst , most condescending comments I have read on a forum for a VERY long time , dorian you have absolutely no knowledge of peoples situations . How dare you . Talk about having ones head up ones A$$
The irony is that, if people hadn't squandered their wages on drugs, gambling and alcohol in their youth, then they wouldn't be dependent on a handout today.
That is one of the worst , most condescending comments I have read on a forum for a VERY long time , dorian you have absolutely no knowledge of peoples situations . How dare you . Talk about having ones head up ones A$$
are you trying to say that no one on a pension ever spent their wages on drugs, cigarettes', alcohol ,or gambling.
i'm lead to believe that most people in public housing on a pension have their subsidized rent deducted straight from their account on pension day , so this process has been going on for a while ( please correct me if i'm wrong)
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" are you trying to say that no one on a pension ever spent their wages on drugs, cigarettes', alcohol ,or gambling "
NO Where did i say anything like that ?
What I am saying is that not EVERYONE on a government payment spends it on drugs, cigarettes', alcohol ,or gambling as Dorians post is suggesting . people on wages have similar problems . what I am saying is its disgusting for people like Dorian to lump everyone in to the same basket , just like saying all council workers are bludgers . As for the rent coming out automatically you are just cherry picking as most regular payments like that are direct debit these days ,neflix , phone bills insurance if you choose to pay monthly and such are all direct debit as are car loans etc if you have one and they dont care if your on centalink or your on $ 1million . Nearly all real-estate rentals insist on direct debit . so you have been corrected .
-- Edited by outlaw40 on Saturday 12th of December 2020 10:59:10 AM
The irony is that, if people hadn't squandered their wages on drugs, gambling and alcohol in their youth, then they wouldn't be dependent on a handout today.
That is one of the worst , most condescending comments I have read on a forum for a VERY long time , dorian you have absolutely no knowledge of peoples situations . How dare you . Talk about having ones head up ones A$$
If you didn't p*iss, or smoke, or gamble your earnings away, then why should you care if the CDC doesn't allow you to engage in those same vices? As a self funded retiree who never smoked or put a cent in the pokies, it upsets me that I'll be paying for this cr*p until my dying day.
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i like a beer , i use to smoke , buy my lotto every week(never won anything much), occasionally play the pokies ( lost a lot of interest when they took the handles off) still pay taxes and not entitled to any government handouts so i've put my fair share in to benefit those less fortunate for what ever reason.
i was under the impression that the with holding of cash from government pensions was considered a success in some of the indigenous communities it may not work in all circumstances but if we keep doing the same thing nothing changes
Dorian
Maybe you would like to take away the money altogether just give anyone less fortunate than yourself food stamps that would take away any shred of dignity they have left . would you be happy then .
Well if they get their way by going Cashless it will be a disaster for all:-
Food for thought !!!!!!
?A cashless society means no cash. Zero. ? It doesn?t mean mostly cashless and you can still use a ?wee bit of cash here & there?. ? Cashless means fully digital, fully traceable, fully controlled.
? I think those who support a cashless society aren?t fully aware of what they are asking for. ??? A cashless society means: * No more tuck-away cash for those preparing to leave domestic violence. * No more purchases off marketplace unless you want to risk bank transfer fraud. * No more garage sales. * No more cash donations to hungry homeless you pass. * No more cash slipped into the hands of a child from their grandparent. * No more money in birthday cards. * No more piggy banks or tooth fairy for your child. * No more selling bits & pieces from your home that you no longer want/need for a bit of cash in return. * Less choices of where you purchase based on affordability.
What a cashless society does guarantee:
* Banks have full control of every single cent you own. * Every transaction you make is recorded. * All your movements & actions are traceable. * Access to your money can be blocked at the click of a button when/if banks need ?clarification? from you which could take weeks, a hundred questions answered & five hundred passwords. * If your transactions are deemed in any way questionable, by those who create the questions, your money will be frozen, ?for your own good?.
? And before anybody slams this post ... don?t go shooting the messenger.!! I?m sharing it because maybe we all need to take off our blinkers.
? Forget about cash being dirty. Cash has been around for a very, very long time & it gives you control over how you trade with the world. It gives you independence. ? If you are a customer, pay with cash. ? If you are a shop owner, remove those ridiculous signs that ask people to pay by card. ? Cash is a legal tender, it is our right to pay with cash. ? Banks are making it increasingly difficult to lodge cash & that has nothing to do with a virus. ? Please stop believing everything you hear on the TV. ? Almost every single topic in today?s world is tainted with corruption & hidden agendas. ? Politics & greed is what is wrong with the world; not those who are trying to alert you to the reality. ????? Please pay with cash & please say no to a cashless society while you still have a choice.
outlaw40 wrote. Dorian .Maybe you would like to take away the money altogether just give anyone less fortunate than yourself food stamps that would take away any shred of dignity they have left . would you be happy then .
Perhaps we need to find a happy medium between Steve's thoughts,and those of Dorian? My thoughts are that the money supplied to these people needs to be enough to house them,feed them,and allow payment of essential bills,such as electricity etc.It is not necessary to provide endless cash to help them live a lifestyle that they seem to have become accustomed to,with the apparent "right" of these people to buy booze,cigarettes,hooch (or worse),TAB,pokies,foxtel,mobile phones etc.It has to be stopped before we reach the stage where there are too many "takers" for the "givers" to be able to finance.Cheers.
Yobarr my points are not about how much is payed and too who that's a whole other discussion its about people like Dorian who believe that just because someone has fallen on hard times they are automatically a drug addict alcoholic gambler . if there is a problem within the family and other family members ( especially children ) are suffering then someone should step in BUT i dont see that a blanket scheme like this will help anyone . anyone that has any knowledge of addicts of any description knows they will get the money no matter what .the problems with this card are the stigma attached to it .think about it every week you would have to stand in line at the supermarket ,service station or whatever and present your dole
money card . i think i would find that humiliating . the vast majority of people on benefits are just trying to survive and get by the best they can , leave them with some dignity .
Like Dorian and other I too work hard , pay taxes and am self funded . But that's where the similarity ends . i believe Australia has and always should provide all its residents with a quality of life and respect and dignity they deserve .
I am out of this discussion before i say something I shouldn't .
most of us use a credit or debit card, we can pay our bills on-line even pay with our phone ,it is just to easy we can get by without cash for most things .till the power /internet is down ,then cash becomes king again . some shops have signs requesting people to pay by card. won't be long till the only people taking cash will be the tax avoiders and drug dealers an it will get harder for them to dispose of their cash
think about it every week you would have to stand in line at the supermarket ,service station or whatever and present your dole money card . i think i would find that humiliating
A very fair point.
As the card will need to be capable of use in the EFTPOS/credit card clearing system it will be the same size and shape as all other credit cards so why not offer it with a range of designs which resemble Visa/Master Card etc?
I imagine very few of us take any interest at all in what type of card someone is using to pay with at Safeway and I'm sure the checkout girl is just as disinterested.
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