Santa wrote:

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I see there is a call for Aussies to boycott Australian wineries with links to China, cant say I blame people, I certainly wont be buying their products, or anything else made in China where there is a viable alternative.

Lists of wineries and brands with links to China, along with captions encouraging consumers to boycott them, are being circulated on social media via a Facebook page

Vino e Amigos

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9037255/Furious-Aussies-vow-boycott-nations-biggest-wine-brands-selling-China.html

 

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Bit hard to detect what they have their fingers in. Sometimes a third party is used and we never know. Might be made in Aust but O/S owned!!

Dick.

bgt wrote:

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Don't forget these businesses employ Australians. You boycott them and you may be responsible for putting them out of work!

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 So be it, someone needs to have the courage to draw a line in the sand.

I suspect the tariffs the Chinese are imposing on Australian produce and minerals will also put a lot of Australians out of work.

I doubt anything we do will prevent the eventual take over of Australia by the Chinese, they are growing bolder by the day.

 

Boycotting an 'exporter' isn't that smart. If you want to boycott anything then boycott the imports. But remember that all of the importers and exporters employ Australian and pay their taxes.

Long term the only answer is to find new markets. IMHO Australian exporters have been lazy. Seen China as a huge cash cow. Now the cows is nolonger giving milk!

If it was me in charge I would turn off the iron ore supply. China would squeal big time about breaking agreements. Stiff. BUT And a BIG BUT. The but is what do you do with all the unemployed workers in the iron ore industry? Sounds simple. But it's not. And Scomo has the backing of the vast majority of Australians re China. So it's a long bow to start blaming him.

The alternative is to bend over and let China ........... us.

Wanda wrote:

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The way I look at it, Scomo opened his big mouth, maybe now he and his cronies have to expect the ramifications of his chest beating.

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You mean if Morrison had not mentioned the doctored photo and not called for an inquiry into Covid everything would be OK and the Chinese would still love us, is that right?

I think you need to look at a much, much larger picture than currently seems to be within your field of vision.

Mike Harding wrote:

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Wanda wrote:

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The way I look at it, Scomo opened his big mouth, maybe now he and his cronies have to expect the ramifications of his chest beating.

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You mean if Morrison had not mentioned the doctored photo and not called for an inquiry into Covid everything would be OK and the Chinese would still love us, is that right?

I think you need to look at a much, much larger picture than currently seems to be within your field of vision.

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 Nothing wrong with my vision MH,ha, excuse me, I'm not entitled to an opinion though according to you

I am referring to Morrison originally standing up there demanding an inquiry as to the Corona outbreak. I think it could have been done a lot more diplomatically through other world platforms rather than standing on his "own" trying to gather votes. It was purely a vote catching exercise, IN MY OPINION, that has now put us at loggerheads with China. I think it would be fair to say, "thats a fact!"

China's population 1,439,323,776 people V Australia 25,499,884

Yep that gives us some bargaining power does'nt it............NOT!

regards

Ian

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-- Edited by Wanda on Wednesday 16th of December 2020 04:30:31 PM

Wanda standing back and letting others 'go over the top' is IMHO hiding behind someone's skirt.

www.abc.net.au/news/2020-12-16/kimberley-sand-mine-gets-chinese-buy-in-approval/12986100. SCOMO can be relied on to chase the votes. Thats about it. No follow through.

bgt wrote:

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Wanda you 'blamed' Morrison for opening his mouth as the root cause of the China relationship Australia now finds itself in. My response was to point out that standing behind someone else skirt is not on for most Australians. Morrison has to stand up for Australia's interest. What else do you expect him to do?

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 Get off your high horse bgt about "not on for most Australians", since when did you get given the license to speak for "most" Australians.

I edited my post to clarify my point to Mr MH, here is the quote I reposted

"I am referring to Morrison originally standing up there demanding an inquiry as to the Corona outbreak. I think it could have been done a lot more diplomatically through other world platforms rather than standing on his "own" trying to gather votes. It was purely a vote catching exercise, IN MY OPINION, that has now put us at loggerheads with China. I think it would be fair to say, "thats a fact!"

China's population 1,439,323,776 people V Australia 25,499,884

Yep that gives us some bargaining power does'nt it............NOT! end of edited post.

I stand by what I said, but, it is only an opinion, my opinion, and yes you are entitled to dissagree, its just how you go about it!!!

regards

Ian

Still can't get my head around your comment "hide behind someone else skirt". A bit like"some mothers do have em"

Wanda wrote:

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 Nothing wrong with my vision MH,ha, excuse me, I'm not entitled to an opinion though according to you

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Please indicate where I said anything of the sort Wanda.

Governments back to the 80's have sold our manufacturing and productive base in the interest of supposed "free trade agreements".
These free trade agreements never favour Australia...we give them what they need and we get all the crap that we don't need.
It's time to send a savvy negotiator on these "free trade" missions....we are being bluffed.. 

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-- Edited by montie on Wednesday 16th of December 2020 08:35:28 PM

Whenarewethere wrote:

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Canada has trade issues with China. I think we have to start looking at all the products that come into Australia to make sure they comply to health & safety standards.

 

Canadian inspectors intercepted nearly 900 food products from China over concerns about faulty labels, unmentioned allergens and harmful contaminants that included glass and metal between 2017 and early 2019, according to internal federal records

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-china-food-inspection-items-problems-1.5211623

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 Agree. And put a 10% tariff on all unprocessed exports sold to China. Esp iron ore and ALL coal.

Within a ten minute drive of our place in Adelaide there are three brand new Chinese owned wine bottling plants, all the product is exported to China. The dumping of Australian wine on China is a fact, but it is not us doing it...

Yes BB I agree, which is what I was saying, we are so small a country to China the last thing we need is our PM standing up(on his own) beating his chest, in my opinion only a popular vote getting excercise.

Obviously the source of the virus Should be thoroughly investigated, thats a no brainer, but we Australia should not be the ones sticking our neck out. As I quoted, just look at the population figures, Aus v China. There are other options our PM should have gone down I think, although the task is more difficult with the orange idiot in the US

Must admit don't know a lot about the Chamberlain issue but so true.

regards 

Ian

 

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Yes BB I agree, which is what I was saying, we are so small a country to China the last thing we need is our PM standing up(on his own) beating his chest, in my opinion only a popular vote getting excercise.

Obviously the source of the virus Should be thoroughly investigated, thats a no brainer, but we Australia should not be the ones sticking our neck out. As I quoted, just look at the population figures, Aus v China. There are other options our PM should have gone down I think, although the task is more difficult with the orange idiot in the US

Must admit don't know a lot about the Chamberlain issue but so true.

regards Ian 

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Ian,if you think that you can do better than the great job that Scott Morrison is doing in handling this crisis,perhaps you could offer yourself for election to parliament?  Or are you one of the many who is happy to sit back and let Australia be bullied into submission by this super power? And when China owns Australia,either by buying everything outright,by bribery,or by military force,will you be among the first to bleat and moan that the "Gummint din do enough"? As for your comment  "...there are other options our PM should have gone down" (sic) perhaps you would be kind enough to enlighten us as to what these "other options" may be? One of the first lessons you learn in life is that if you let yourself be bullied, with no retaliatory actions,the bullying will quickly escalate.Or do you think Mr Morrison should simply have run and hid behind the USA's president,hanging on to his shirt tail? Personally,Î'm all for severing ties with China,and again starting manufacturing in Australia.There is another country,India I think, that imports twice as much of our coal as does China,and there will no doubt be many other world markets for our "good" coal? China needs our quality iron ore,so perhaps this would give us some greater bargaining power when the chips are really down.Everybody is entitled to an opinion,and everybody is entitled to criticise,but without a viable alternative strategy being offered,any such criticism lacks substance.You,no doubt have heard of the Chinese building a $200 million "fisheries business" a mere 200km from our shores,in an area where there are few,if any,fish? Luckily for our country,this is merely a "fisheries business".Yeah,right.Cheers

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