Covid-19 misinformation June 2021

Tony Bev · Guru

Covid-19 misinformation June 2021

bgt · Guru

More fool them for taken any notice of what Mr Palmer has to say.

Besides 25 million Australians have the right to express an opinion.

Tony Bev · Guru

Hi bgt

I agree that every one of us 25 million Australians, have the right to express our opinion

But...

In my opinion, there is a very wide dividing line, between expressing an opinion, and telling porkies, through the radio media channels

My interpretation of the media article, (so I could be wrong), is that Mr Palmer, has been warned, for being economical with the truth

msg · Guru

What did Mister Palmer say? The article doesn't elaborate. Often I find that the click bait from the media is more likely to spread misinformation. Nobody seems to read beyond the click bait. The more sensationalist the better.

bgt · Guru

Tony if telling 'pokies' is a criminal offense in Australia who would we have for politicians?

If his name was anything else no one would give a dam.

Recoup · Guru

The problem in Australia , we have no more Opposition , now we have to get all the BS from the net or Sky News ,cheers

bgt · Guru

Recoup maybe some of the BS comes from the ABC as well.

Tony Bev · Guru

msg wrote:
What did Mister Palmer say? The article doesn't elaborate. Often I find that the click bait from the media is more likely to spread misinformation. Nobody seems to read beyond the click bait. The more sensationalist the better.

Hi msg

What Mr Palmer (or his lackys) said is outlined below

The link (not sure if it is from the left or right) is also below

It also appears he saturated the radio media, with this ad

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/clive-palmer-paying-for-antivaccination-ads-on-queensland-airwaves/news-story/10c6c8e572208fb30faf3b1e7d7aeb41

The ads include the following audio: "Australia has had one Covid-19 associated death in 2021. But the TGA reports that there's been 210 deaths and over 24,000 adverse reactions after covid vaccinations. Authorised by Clive Palmer, Brisbane."

The ads are based on publicly-available information from the Therapeutic Goods Administration.

But Palmer's ads omitted the section that declared clearly: "Apart from the single Australian case in which death was linked to TTS (Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome), Covid-19 vaccines have not been found to cause death."

Tony Bev · Guru

bgt wrote:
Tony if telling 'pokies' is a criminal offense in Australia who would we have for politicians?

If his name was anything else no one would give a dam.

I am led to believe, that when a politician is caught lying in Parliament, (telling porkies), they are asked to leave

I would assume that, in an era of Pandemic, the TGA (Therapeutic Goods Administration), are only targeting Mr Palmer, as he authorised the ads

If it had been anyone else, who authorised those ads, I am sure they would have been targeted

bgt · Guru

Tony does anyone still believe anything the Mr Palmer says?

Tony Bev · Guru

bgt wrote:
Tony does anyone still believe anything the Mr Palmer says?

Yes, unfortunately they do, and the older they are, the more vulnerable they become

A few months ago, My Palmer sent a flyer, to the letter box, in my area

(In my opinion), it was misinformation about the Covid-19 vaccine

But...

A 84 year old neighbour, in my street, then decided not to have the vaccine, after reading the flyer

My advice to him, was to see his own doctor

After eventually seeing his doctor, he is now booked in to have his first vaccine, towards the end of September

I had my first vaccine after we received the flyer, and I shall be having my second vaccine, in 11 days time

dorian · Guru

bgt wrote:
If his name was anything else no one would give a dam (sic).

That's exactly the point. What don't you understand?

dorian · Guru

Tony Bev wrote:
It looks like Mister Palmer, has been caught spreading misinformation again, about the vaccine
Link below to the article
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-08/tga-clive-almer-grant-broadcasters-ads-vaccine-misinformation/100198330

Palmer is an ignorant prat. A COVID-19 vaccine is infinitely less likely to kill him than his next lunch.

msg · Guru

Tony Bev wrote:
msg wrote:
What did Mister Palmer say? The article doesn't elaborate. Often I find that the click bait from the media is more likely to spread misinformation. Nobody seems to read beyond the click bait. The more sensationalist the better.
Hi msg
What Mr Palmer (or his lackys) said is outlined below
The link (not sure if it is from the left or right) is also below

It also appears he saturated the radio media, with this ad
https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/clive-palmer-paying-for-antivaccination-ads-on-queensland-airwaves/news-story/10c6c8e572208fb30faf3b1e7d7aeb41
The ads include the following audio: "Australia has had one Covid-19 associated death in 2021. But the TGA reports that there's been 210 deaths and over 24,000 adverse reactions after covid vaccinations. Authorised by Clive Palmer, Brisbane."
The ads are based on publicly-available information from the Therapeutic Goods Administration.
But Palmer's ads omitted the section that declared clearly: "Apart from the single Australian case in which death was linked to TTS (Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome), Covid-19 vaccines have not been found to cause death."

So, if you are a dissenter of public opinion, or god forbid interpret a report differently then you are telling lies? I often wonder why you are protesting so hard, and why it should matter to you. Are you trying to prove your opinion is validated?

I would think that the 24,000 adverse reactions may in fact be fairly true just going by the reactions on this website. Wouldn't be hard to get 24,000 with sore arms, fatigue etc that a lot of people get. The deaths could very well be deaths where there no definite causal link but are a possibility they are connected.

My issue is just what he he is trying to say on these ads. They seem rather pointless.

bgt · Guru

msg I think you said what I was trying to say. Regardless of Mr Palmers opinion he is entitled to have it. Just because you don't agree with him doesn't make him wrong or anyone else wrong. But given his track record I wouldn't be rushing to defend what he is saying. But I will defend his right to say it.

dorian · Guru

msg wrote:
Tony Bev wrote:

It also appears he saturated the radio media, with this ad
https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/clive-palmer-paying-for-antivaccination-ads-on-queensland-airwaves/news-story/10c6c8e572208fb30faf3b1e7d7aeb41
The ads include the following audio: "Australia has had one Covid-19 associated death in 2021. But the TGA reports that there's been 210 deaths and over 24,000 adverse reactions after covid vaccinations. Authorised by Clive Palmer, Brisbane."
The ads are based on publicly-available information from the Therapeutic Goods Administration.
But Palmer's ads omitted the section that declared clearly: "Apart from the single Australian case in which death was linked to TTS (Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome), Covid-19 vaccines have not been found to cause death."

So, if you are a dissenter of public opinion, or god forbid interpret a report differently then you are telling lies?

Palmer lied by omitting the pertinent facts. The ad misleads the listener by implying that 210 deaths were vaccine related. It's not about interpreting a report, it's not even about misinterpreting a report, it's all about misrepresenting it.

And where does "public opinion" feature in the information from the Therapeutic Goods Administration?

-- Edited by dorian on Wednesday 9th of June 2021 04:08:21 AM

Sandyfreckle · Veteran Member

Re Mr Palmer...., "who's more of a fool ? A fool, or a fool who follows a fool ?"

msg · Guru

Dorian, "Public opinion" is right here on this website. This would be yourself. If you can't have a decent discussion without getting your knickers in a knot then you really shoudn't comment. What an angry young man you are.

TheHeaths · Guru

Clive Palmer.

He selective quotes the TGA release in his ads to make a false assertion to seek to influence people AGAINST vaccination using drugs that have undergone at least some major testing around the world.

He was of course the same man who purchased 30 million doses of an untested against Covid drug that he WANTED people to take.

Seems Clive talks out of the orifice at the wrong end, and says what will be best for Clive.

-- Edited by TheHeaths on Wednesday 9th of June 2021 08:07:53 AM

bgt · Guru

TheHeaths the so called 'untested drug that Mr Palmer offered has been tested throughout the world. It's used for 'other' applications. And it has been 'tested' by various organizations for covid treatment.

See how this works? Mr Palmer is accused of misrepresenting yet here we have a member doing just the same. We are all guilty of 'selective' statements. We recently had the ABC 'misrepresenting' the commissioning of a naval vessel. It happens every day in ALL the media. Why get upset when someone with a known track record makes another statement?

msg · Guru

I think Mr Palmer acquired the drug and donated it to the Govt. Stockpile. The Govt then banned the drug from being used as a treatment for the early stages of Covid. I believe it was never intended as a vaccine substitute but a treatment for covid sufferers.

dorian · Guru

That drug was the subject of yet another of Palmer's baseless claims:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-21/has-hydroxychloroquine-helped-australia-flatten-the-death-curve/12256996

TheHeaths · Guru

bgt wrote:
TheHeaths the so called 'untested drug that Mr Palmer offered has been tested throughout the world. It's used for 'other' applications. And it has been 'tested' by various organizations for covid treatment.

See how this works? Mr Palmer is accused of misrepresenting yet here we have a member doing just the same. We are all guilty of 'selective' statements. We recently had the ABC 'misrepresenting' the commissioning of a naval vessel. It happens every day in ALL the media. Why get upset when someone with a known track record makes another statement?

Could you please advise what organisations did the testing, and what TGA approvals they received for the use against Covid? Tested for other purposes or illnesses is not valid re Covid. As such, he was promoting an untested, non approved drug as the silver bullet. Where is that a selective statement, or misrepresentation?

Incidentally, drug testing goes beyond giving it to people, and saying it is effective. If it had been tested properly, was effective, and had no major side effects, dont you think it would have been used?

Not upset at all, just expressing an opinion.

Wanda · Guru

How can anyone seriously stickup for for CP, more of a reflection of your own personality me thinks.
And don't hide behind the free speech argument either!
The man is an Id....T, but a dangerous Id...T at that!
Ian

bgt · Guru

TheHeaths I'm sorry I highlighted your post. It wasn't my intention to attack you. What I'm trying to say is that the drug Mr Palmer was advocating as a covid treatment is a widely used drug for other ailments. Does it work on covid? I have no idea. But many folks do believe it does. Unfortunately Mr Palmer's drug was politicized. That made more research all but impossible. None of us on this forum are qualified enough to make definitive statements about any of the drugs.

There are two sides to this thread. The drug and Mr Palmer. We all know Mr Palmer's track record. But as I said above none of us are qualified enough to make blanket statements about the drug.

Dicko1 · Senior Member

I listened to the interview with Palmer. It was on the John Laws show. I was travelling along the Bruce Hwy listening to AM radio as FM was scratchy. Laws tried talking sense to Palmer and was not condescending or rude. Palmer was adamant that 210 people had died from the vaccines and thousands more had adverse conditions. Bloke is a scaremonger and was talking utter crap. Every vaccine ever produced by man will have an adverse effct on some. Adverse effect includes a sore arm, a slight headache, feeling tired along with some not very common serious affects. Stress is also a common cause of these symptons from having a needle. Selectively cherry picking bits of the TGA report and then having this pointed out to him did not deter him from insisting that 210 people had died. I thought Laws handled the interview quite well....I would have told the buffoon to forth and multiply!!

Dicko1 · Senior Member

bgt wrote:
TheHeaths I'm sorry I highlighted your post. It wasn't my intention to attack you. What I'm trying to say is that the drug Mr Palmer was advocating as a covid treatment is a widely used drug for other ailments. Does it work on covid? I have no idea. But many folks do believe it does. Unfortunately Mr Palmer's drug was politicized. That made more research all but impossible. None of us on this forum are qualified enough to make definitive statements about any of the drugs.

There are two sides to this thread. The drug and Mr Palmer. We all know Mr Palmer's track record. But as I said above none of us are qualified enough to make blanket statements about the drug.

Here is what is said about palmers wonder drug...the same drug trump was peddling as the saviour of mankind..

A recent study in the US by the University of Virginia found the good tests Trump was talking about were few and far between.

The study looked at 386 patients, 97 of which took hydroxychloroquine and had a 27.8 percent death rate, while the 158 patients that didn't take the anti-malaria drug had an 11.4 percent death rate.

In Australia, the Therapeutics Goods Administration (TGA) told The Feed they are closely monitoring clinical studies in Australia and around the world investigating the use of hydroxychloroquine for the treatment or prevention of COVID-19.

"Hydroxychloroquine can have serious side effects, and can interact with other medications. Given the limited evidence for effect against COVID-19, as well as the risk of significant adverse effects, the routine use of hydroxychloroquine outside of its current indications is discouraged at this time," a TGA spokesperson said.

Asked today about Clive Palmer's donation, federal health minister Greg Hunt said, "he's made a very generous offer to the national medical stockpile," and cited two trials underway at the Walter and Eliza Hall Institute and the University of Queensland.

Heres the verdict on palmers wonder drug...https://www.crikey.com.au/2020/05/25/fact-check-clive-palmer-hydroxychloroquine-australia-covid-19-death-rate/

-- Edited by Dicko1 on Wednesday 9th of June 2021 11:26:35 AM

Are We Lost · Guru

The study looked at 386 patients, 97 of which took hydroxychloroquine and had a 27.8 percent death rate, while the 158 patients that didn't take the anti-malaria drug had an 11.4 percent death rate.

Statistics like that can also be misleading ..in this case very misleading.

That study was done more than a year ago when our understanding of COVID19 was still in its infancy. But it was not a scientific study to evaluate the effectiveness, was not randomised, but just looked at statisitcs. It also failed to take into account the number and strength of doses.

Hydrochloroquine was already known to be a drug with significant risks and side effects. So it was administered to those in more serious condition, often as a last resort, and as such the expected death rate would obviously be higher.

From page 12 of the study: "hydrochloroquine ..... was more likely to be prescribed to patients with more severe disease"

Elsewhere: A spokeswoman for the Department of Veterans Affairs said that the research findings should not be seen as definitive. "This was not a clinical trial. It is simply an analysis of retrospective data regarding hospitalized patients. The findings should not be viewed as definitive because the analysis doesnt adjust for patients clinical status and showed that hydroxychloroquine alone was provided to VAs sickest COVID-19 patients, many times as a last resort."

I am not an advocate for or against hydrochloroquine, but the study by University of Virginia tells us absolutely nothing about its effectiveness or otherwise.

TheHeaths · Guru

bgt wrote:
TheHeaths I'm sorry I highlighted your post. It wasn't my intention to attack you. What I'm trying to say is that the drug Mr Palmer was advocating as a covid treatment is a widely used drug for other ailments. Does it work on covid? I have no idea. But many folks do believe it does. Unfortunately Mr Palmer's drug was politicized. That made more research all but impossible. None of us on this forum are qualified enough to make definitive statements about any of the drugs.

There are two sides to this thread. The drug and Mr Palmer. We all know Mr Palmer's track record. But as I said above none of us are qualified enough to make blanket statements about the drug.

Thanks for the apology Bruce. Sometimes I can be a bit precious. Alls well and let the discussion continue.

Recoup · Guru

Another crack pot ?

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