No Domestic Vaccine Passport Bill 2021

Recoup · Guru

No Domestic Vaccine Passport Bill 2021

Are We Lost · Guru

For those interested in a summary, right wing independent Craig Kelly has introduced a bill to Federal Parliament to abandon the idea of a vaccine passport. Not voted on yet.

Interestingly, there is another link where he inadvertantly posted a version online that had notes, pointing out some implausibilities.

While I may have supported a vaccine passport concept in the past, seeing in the US how the Democrats are disciminating against those unvaccinated, I no longer do.

dorian · Guru

Are We Lost wrote:
While I may have supported a vaccine passport concept in the past, seeing in the US how the Democrats are disciminating against those unvaccinated, I no longer do.

The whole point of a vaccine passport is that you discriminate against those who don't have one. It's to prevent antivaxxers from exposing the rest of us to the risks that they have chosen to take for themselves. Yes, let's discriminate in favour of vaxxers when it comes to cruise ships, air travel, hospital workers, aged care workers, and everything else where people-to-people contact is involved.

Recoup · Guru

dorian , you missed this one
rense.com/general96/oz-health-minister-admits-vax-doesnt-work.php

bgt · Guru

Recent events show that there is no exemptions for those who are fully vaccinated. Our PM is fully vaccinated yet has to do the 14 day quarantine. So many many folks are saying "why bother"? What would a vaccine passport actually achieve?

dorian · Guru

bgt wrote:
Recent events show that there is no exemptions for those who are fully vaccinated. Our PM is fully vaccinated yet has to do the 14 day quarantine. So many many folks are saying "why bother"? What would a vaccine passport actually achieve?

I don't want antivaxxer nutcases putting me at risk. It's as simple as that.

Plain Truth · Guru

If you are vaccinated what are you worring about,

dorian · Guru

Plain Truth wrote:
If you are vaccinated what are you worring about,

Obviously I'm worried about coming into contact with people who aren't vaccinated. The only guarantee that a vaccine provides is that my body will be ready to fight the disease when some inconsiderate antivaxxer exposes me to it.

bgt · Guru

Dorian my point was that if you are vaccinated you are still subjected to all the restriction that those aren't vaccinated. So the average Australian can't see any benefit beyond protecting them from covid. ie you can't cross a state border by proving you are vaccinated.

dorian · Guru

Recoup wrote:
dorian , you missed this one
rense.com/general96/oz-health-minister-admits-vax-doesnt-work.php

The health minister is not saying that vaccines don't work. She is simply saying that vaccinated people can still be infected. That's not the same thing. But you would know that if you bothered to consult authoritative sources instead of listening to conspiracy nutters.

BTW, what search terms do you use to find all this drivel? Or does it just turn up in your email?

-- Edited by dorian on Tuesday 22nd of June 2021 10:24:12 AM

Recoup · Guru

dorian wrote:

She is simply saying that vaccinated people can still be infected.

And keep spreading it , in Nursing Homes , it's all in your fake media.

Kebbin · Guru

I see Recoup is still posting uninformed, misleading waffle.

Greg 1 · Guru

Any vaccine, whether it be for measles, polio, diphtheria whooping cough or whatever is never 100% effective. If its 90% then 10 people in 100 will still get whatever it is that it is designed to protect against. Covid vaccines are no different. But vaccines do develop herd immunity if enough of the population are vaccinated. Polio and measles are now almost unheard-of in this country due to the effort to have the majority vaccinated against these diseases. I can remember the devastating effects of polio on my generation. My BIL was a victim and has suffered all his life with the lasting effects and a good mate was wheelchair bound from age 9 due to that disease. The vaccine has pretty much eradicated that amongst current generations. Covid can be put to bed if we get enough of us vaccinated and stop reading the bs conspiracy websites.

Recoup · Guru

Misleading waffle?
www.tga.gov.au/periodic/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-safety-report-17-06-2021

Craig1 · Guru

Clive Palmer drivel turned today in our letter box. I might put it in the biggest envelope and send it back, without a stamp.

Wanda · Guru

Kebbin wrote:
I see Recoup is still posting uninformed, misleading waffle.

Yes but he's not alone, plenty of others to keep stoking the fire

Dicko1 · Senior Member

Greg 1 wrote:
Any vaccine, whether it be for measles, polio, diphtheria whooping cough or whatever is never 100% effective. If its 90% then 10 people in 100 will still get whatever it is that it is designed to protect against. Covid vaccines are no different. But vaccines do develop herd immunity if enough of the population are vaccinated. Polio and measles are now almost unheard-of in this country due to the effort to have the majority vaccinated against these diseases. I can remember the devastating effects of polio on my generation. My BIL was a victim and has suffered all his life with the lasting effects and a good mate was wheelchair bound from age 9 due to that disease. The vaccine has pretty much eradicated that amongst current generations. Covid can be put to bed if we get enough of us vaccinated and stop reading the bs conspiracy websites.

Plenty of "gurus" will find your post waffle. Facts and common sense don't have much credence with many on this forum..

peter67 · Guru

Craig1 wrote:
Clive Palmer drivel turned today in our letter box. I might put it in the biggest envelope and send it back, without a stamp.

Simple, add it to the dunny roll supply, more satisfaction if PALMERS FACE IS ON THE NOTICE.

Craig1 · Guru

His name only is in tiny print in one bottom corner, and it is far too shiny for that Pete.