How will they find me in an emergency

Brodie Allen · Guru

How will they find me in an emergency

Peter_n_Margaret · Guru

A PLB (cheaper and smaller version of an EPIRB).
Cheapest insurance you can buy.
Cheers,
Peter

JeffRae · Guru

I have this app on my phone.

Otherwise use a PLB

Always remember RFDS is available if you have phone service. I have used them when we needed medical attention in Sandstone

My wife was airlifted back to Perth

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Mike Harding · Guru

I agree that emergency call centres need to get their act together in this regard however, to their credit, Victoria seems to have done so: I had to call 000 earlier this year in regard to a bush fire and after the operator discovered I had no idea what the "nearest crossing street" was she asked if I could give her a lat/long which I did (in decimal degrees) and the big red truck turned up about 20 minutes later.

I suspect the major issue is that most people have no idea of mapping coordinates or how to obtain and interpret them.

Bicyclecamper · Guru

We carry a Defib, and are trained to use it. Used it once out near Birdsville on a fellow camper, and used the Sat. phone to call an ambulance, and once in town here, as the hospital knows we have one, and we were called to go to the house in case, whilst waiting for the 45 minutes for the ambulance to come. We bought it for me as I do have angina, so as were are out in the sticks, it pays to be prepared.

Onedodger · Guru

There is another AP you can get for your phone it is called My GPS Location and its free. I have used this to alert authorities to a location. Plus it is useful when adding a site to Wikicamps or for your own personal use. In an Emergency If you can call 000 then simply give them the lats and longs.

-- Edited by Onedodger on Tuesday 31st of August 2021 02:09:17 PM

TravellerBob · Veteran Member

If you download the Emergency plus app and use it to call when you have an emergeny the authorities will get your location from the app. Obviously your need to have phone coverage for it to work
other wise a Personal Locator Beacon (PLB) is a must but remember , once you have activated the PLB it can take a few hours for assistance to arrive depending on where you are of coarse.
Im currently prospecting around outback WA solo and always have my PLB within reach when out of phone range

Derek Barnes · Senior Member

All iPhones should have a "Compass" app either on the desktop or in "Extras" that shows your latitude and longitude coordinates, your altitude and a compass. You can give these coordinates to the emergency operator.

A word of warning about built-in car navigators and their latitude and longitude coordinates. The last time we had a breakdown on the Hume Highway we gave the NRMA operator the coordinates from our Nissan Patrol navigation system. Trouble was the coordinates were from the last place we stopped (Wagga), NOT our current location (somewhere south of Gundagai on the Hume Highway). The NRMA had to call us back and get our correct current location.

watsea · Guru

We have a Garmin Navigator which we do not use regularly now because our current vehicle has its own installed GPS system. My recollection of the Garmin was that, there was a display that has the coordinates of where that Garmin is located. I have not gone through everything in my vehicle's system, perhaps it has a similar display somewhere. Maybe check your navigation devices for a display option of the location coordinates.

Is there is a Standard gps datum that vehicle gps systems use? WSG88 datum is commonly used for marine navigation units.

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Brodie Allen · Guru

TravellerBob wrote:

If you download the Emergency plus app and use it to call when you have an emergeny the authorities will get your location from the app. Obviously your need to have phone coverage for it to work
other wise a Personal Locator Beacon (PLB) is a must but remember , once you have activated the PLB it can take a few hours for assistance to arrive depending on where you are of coarse.
Im currently prospecting around outback WA solo and always have my PLB within reach when out of phone range

Looking at all the posts and googling them to see whats entailed: for simpletons like me (thanks Wanda) seems the Emergency plus would be the easy solution for areas where phone coverage is ok.

I will Keep on watching for alternatives, but the EP app seems to cover just about everywhere I go especially now with the outside antenna and the CelFi booster.

PLB seems a bit complicated for a true urgency given you cant talk to the receiver.

Thanks all for comments.

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Peter_n_Margaret · Guru

Brodie Allen wrote:
PLB seems a bit complicated for a true urgency given you cant talk to the receiver.

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The PLB is the simplest to operate. Put up the antennae and press the button.

Mobiles can not give a position unless they have signals from 3 or more towers (and then the position is very approximate) or unless they have a GPS built in. Many do not.

The PLB works via satelite. That means virtually anywhere, no phone reception is required, including overseas. I have never heard of a PLB failing to do its job. Position accuracy is within meters.

Cheers,

Peter

Whenarewethere · Guru

What 3 Words has given every 3 metre square in the world a 3 word name. I believe the emergency services are using this as another tool. The data set for Australia is about 6MB

https://what3words.com/products/what3words-app/

Brodie Allen · Guru

Derek Barnes wrote:
All iPhones should have a "Compass" app either on the desktop or in "Extras" that shows your latitude and longitude coordinates, your altitude and a compass. You can give these coordinates to the emergency operator.
A word of warning about built-in car navigators and their latitude and longitude coordinates. The last time we had a breakdown on the Hume Highway we gave the NRMA operator the coordinates from our Nissan Patrol navigation system. Trouble was the coordinates were from the last place we stopped (Wagga), NOT our current location (somewhere south of Gundagai on the Hume Highway). The NRMA had to call us back and get our correct current location.

Beauty, Derek!!!

Found it in the Compass app. on iPhone.

NO COMPASS ON IPAD?????

I wonder though would 000 or others know how to use all those numbers?

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Brodie Allen · Guru

Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
Brodie Allen wrote:
PLB seems a bit complicated for a true urgency given you cant talk to the receiver.

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The PLB is the simplest to operate. Put up the antennae and press the button.
Mobiles can not give a position unless they have signals from 3 or more towers (and then the position is very approximate) or unless they have a GPS built in. Many do not.
The PLB works via satelite. That means virtually anywhere, no phone reception is required, including overseas. I have never heard of a PLB failing to do its job. Position accuracy is within meters.
Cheers,
Peter

thanks, Peter, but the time lag from pressing the button to them contacting you or emergency people.

with a heart attack or serious wounding time is critical.

Don't fully understand the jigger's application, though. Methinks it's location rather than emergency?

Peter_n_Margaret · Guru

PLBs are only permitted to be used in a life threatening circumstance.
The authorities do some quick checks to ensure that it is not a false alarm and then despatch someone to the scene. How that happens depends entirely on where you are. In remote areas they will often send a chopper if there is one within a reasonable distance, otherwise a fixed wing aircraft to "have a look". It happens very quickly.
It is a remarkable service and there is no charge.
The only better option would be a sat. phone and then you need to know exactly where you are.
Cheers,
Peter

Mike Harding · Guru

Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
The only better option would be a sat. phone and then you need to know exactly where you are.

And if you don't... you should not be there.

Brodie Allen · Guru

Mike Harding wrote:
Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
The only better option would be a sat. phone and then you need to know exactly where you are.
And if you don't... you should not be there.

I have been many places where you do not know within 100k of where you are.

Even across the Nulabor you could not accurately describe where you are in many stretches

without GPS or similar.

Spin · Member

TravellerBob wrote:

If you download the Emergency plus app and use it to call when you have an emergeny the authorities will get your location from the app. Obviously your need to have phone coverage for it to work
other wise a Personal Locator Beacon (PLB) is a must but remember , once you have activated the PLB it can take a few hours for assistance to arrive depending on where you are of coarse.
Im currently prospecting around outback WA solo and always have my PLB within reach when out of phone range

This is what I have. It is easy to use and gives the info you need to tell them where you are.

Peter_n_Margaret · Guru

Even if we had phone contact, I would also activate the PLB in a dire emergency as it gives a precise and continuous location to those trying to find you.
I have never heard of PLB activation taking "a few hours" to get assistance, but in some circumstances I guess that might be possible.
Cheers,
Peter

Leshill · Veteran Member

I am not sure that phone coverage is needed . It would be a good test to see if one could get the App to show Long & Lat when out of range.

I look at my app when in a black spot in Adelaide hills and I get the GPS coordinates. Possibly uses GPS sats. well out of range would be a good test.

A Google check tells me it needs phone coverage !!

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Tony LEE · Guru

We have a plb that is registered, but also a garmin inreach tracker/communicator which has many advantages over a plb

Mike Harding · Guru

Brodie Allen wrote:
Mike Harding wrote:
Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
The only better option would be a sat. phone and then you need to know exactly where you are.
And if you don't... you should not be there.
I have been many places where you do not know within 100k of where you are.
Even across the Nulabor you could not accurately describe where you are in many stretches
without GPS or similar.

A quick count reveals I own and have to hand at least eight GPS units either purpose built or incorporated into phones or tablets - I imagine most people have at least one unit in their phone.

My point was that if you are going remote you *should* prepare for that and kit yourself up to know your position; for most nowadays that means buying a GPS and learning how to use and understand it but it could also availing oneself of appropriate maps and a compass and ensuring you use those and your car's oddometer to maintain a check on your location. Failing that buy a watch and a sextant and learn some navigation. This is not rocket science, sailors have been doing it for a very long.

I am frequently surprised and disappointed by most people's complete ignorance when it comes to mapping and navigation, the basics are not complicated they simply require some study in order to understand them but if people "cannot be bothered" then so be it and they can deal with any consequences which may arise themselves.

Brodie Allen · Guru

Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
Brodie Allen wrote:
PLB seems a bit complicated for a true urgency given you cant talk to the receiver.

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The PLB is the simplest to operate. Put up the antennae and press the button.
Mobiles can not give a position unless they have signals from 3 or more towers (and then the position is very approximate) or unless they have a GPS built in. Many do not.
The PLB works via satelite. That means virtually anywhere, no phone reception is required, including overseas. I have never heard of a PLB failing to do its job. Position accuracy is within meters.
Cheers,
Peter

Peter,

I have a family whom all have iPhones and we use the location services to find

one another - in the streets, in shopping centres, etc and the phones are accurate

to within meters! (Not so good in shopping centres indoors but 10-20 meters),

and for finding my drone again within meters.

When we are camping and off walking, I can watch my bride and when necessary can

find her again within meters.

I think that the phones are marvellous! (I have to turn mine off when I'm having

a tantrum and want to run away).

With the PLB I cant tell anyone what kind of service I require. Maybe they might

send a search party when I need an ambulance?

Thanks for your replies. This is a very important decision for us oldies!

B

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Peter_n_Margaret · Guru

Only if you have phone reception and a GPS enabled phone.
We have just driven from Mt Isa to Adelaide on the highway. There is phone reception for about 10% of that whole distance. For the other 90% you are "lost".
Cheers,
Peter

Mike Harding · Guru

It is not necessary for a mobile phone handset to be in a mobile phone signal coverage area in order for its GPS to operate and there are many apps. (eg. gpstest) which will put the GPS chipset into active mode and display a lat/long coordinate. Better yet, download one of the many off-line mapping programmes (eg Osmand) and see your location on an off-line map too.

Edit:

Clarification

-- Edited by Mike Harding on Wednesday 1st of September 2021 10:15:25 AM

tea spoon · Senior Member

stay in a caravan park as my partner and i do .......my partner had a fall once quite late in the afternoon ....got an ambulance to her within 20 minutes ........free camping is OK but when an emergency happens and you need help time is something you aint got .......if you dont know where you are then stay in parks it might cost a few dollars ......but its better than having problems ..........we are not young my partner and i so we think not to free camp is the best way for a break .......this is our opinion

bomurra · Veteran Member

Hi Brodie,

As many have said your phone with an appropriate "app" can be used to provide your current location.

Also, if you are separated from your phone and your vehicle has a GPS system, this too will provide your current co-ordinates.

We utilise electronic navigation all the time, but also carry printed maps to provide a back up in case the technology fails.

Hope this helps,

Bob.

Peter_n_Margaret · Guru

Mike Harding wrote:
It is not necessary for a mobile phone handset to be in a mobile phone signal coverage area in order for its GPS to operate and there are many apps. (eg. gpstest) which will put the GPS chipset into active mode and display a lat/long coordinate. Better yet, download one of the many off-line mapping programmes (eg Osmand) and see your location on an off-line map too.

You still need to tell someone where you are to get assistance. You can not do that with a mobile without reception.

Cheers,

peter

Mike Harding · Guru

Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
You still need to tell someone where you are to get assistance. You can not do that with a mobile without reception.

Not quite... which is why I have an Amateur Radio licence.

Derek Barnes · Senior Member

Mike Harding wrote:
Peter_n_Margaret wrote:
You still need to tell someone where you are to get assistance. You can not do that with a mobile without reception.
Not quite... which is why I have an Amateur Radio licence.

...and why I always carry a satellite phone when travelling.