i take my kelpie around the block on a lead with the gopher .......in the basket i have vinagar in a spray bottle it will stop most dogs so im told ......i havent used it yet in some years

I used to carry a cattle prod....

Not sure about the legality of Chili spray

and I understand some citronella sprays are (alternative to 10% pepper spray,) and it did not upset the human in the last vid, but of course he knew it was coming.

But reasonable spray range.

On the note of dogs attacking....

A guy down the road would stand on his front yard with his dog, not on a leash, while he had a smoke. The dog was that good it didn't need a leash. I would walk past with my dog and his wouldn't move a paw. He trained it that way. Would bump into him while we walked the dogs. His dog was fine. One day they were outside, he had just had an operation on his hands and they were bandaged up. A little poodle thing a few doors down escaped and run up the road, seen his dog and ran to it and attacked his dog. It bit his dog a few times then his dog bit back. It was a big dog. One bit and no more poodle. The council came out. Took his dog away and put it down, even though the other dog escaped and attacked and was on his land. It wasn't on a leash and he couldn't control it, not that he could with his hands. Haven't seen him outside since.

A few years ago in Richmond Qld I was walking my dog when we were attacked by a pig dog that escaped from it's yard. My dog is a kelpie cross and had no chance so I had a fight with this pig dog until the owner heard and grabbed his dog. I was trying to choke it by it's chain collar. My dog had a few bites but ok, I ended up at the local hospital with cuts and bites all over my arms, but I saved my dog and I was lucky it never got my face.  Now I carry a folding security baton.  They are illegal but can be found on ebay as a safety device in your car for breaking windscreen in case of accident. I have two.

My dog is always on a lead and I am sick and tired of others allowed to run loose, I don't care how small they are, they are a damned pest.

Barry

Just got back from a walk with my dog. Guess what. 2 women in a front yard. Good thing they saw me through the bushes. Good thing I heard her call her dog. I paused a bit till she grabbed it, no lead. A mastiff looking thing and not too friendly by the snarls. She had to hold it back till I got up the road. Why a dog that reacted like that allowed on the front yard with no lead.

penny..... Re (My husband now carries a stout walking stick)

Me, I won't see 70 again, but am reasonably fit and feel 45, and don't like the image of me having a walking stick when I am walking our dog. ( Its not my James Bond image).

Just walk an English bull terrier....that way you won't have a problem!

My working days included dog ranger for 3 outer Melbourne councils.

In the case of the guy down the road of "corndoggy" if I was the council worker there is no way I'd even fine that owner let alone confiscate his dog. Imo the dog was not a danger to anyone.

A properly trained law enforcement officer doesn't use laws literally. They enforce them for why the law was written, it's purpose for it in the first place. In the owners case his dog was well trained and remained on the property and even though the dog was not "confined" by fence or leash as per the law the dog was "under control". 

I've had a dog  kill another in a park. The owner of the killed foxy complained. However both dogs were not on leashes. In that case no action was taken.

On the matter of protection from aggressive dogs the umbrella or walking stick is my choice. We have a foxy. Owner's of bigger dogs say "he won't hurt, he's friendly". I never believe it. 

Tony

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To break up a dog fight without getting hurt.

Grab the attacking dog by the rear legs,
lift so its feet aren't touching the ground and walk it backwards.
Stay like that until the owner gets a leash on it.
You're same as long as you hold it as described

alternatively if there's no owner insight

pass your lead around the attacking dog's legs
thread the bolt snap through the handle loop and pull it tight.
lift so its feet aren't touching the ground and walk it backwards.
use the free end to securely tie the dog to a handy object, e.g a tree, fence etc

In both scenarios you're safe so long as you maintain tension on the dogs rea legs.

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Thank you for that. I can see your logic and I'm sure it's sound however I cannot help but think this is one of those things which seems better in theory than in practice as I contemplate hanging on to the rear legs of a very angry 60kg Rottweiler! :) 

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Thank you for that. I can see your logic and I'm sure it's sound however I cannot help but think this is one of those things which seems better in theory than in practice as I contemplate hanging on to the rear legs of a very angry 60kg Rottweiler! :) 

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Mike I understand your scepticism but it works
Granted you'll likely need a change of underwear but it will work.

I don't know of any other way to separate two dogs that are in the kill or be killed zone without the human sustaining a severe injury
And keep in mind, no matter how much he loves you, your own dog is equally likely to bite you if you just dive in between them. 

Further more what happens if the aggressor turns on you? A GSD has a 2,000psi bite! A 30kg dog can inflict sever and lightening fast damage.
In such situations we humans are extremely fragile and ill equipped to defend ourselves

Never mid the puncture wounds, there's also the crush injuries and mental stress. 
All extremely unpleasant and best avoided.
So the question becomes how to immediately & efficiently incapacitate the aggressor without sustaining injury?

I don't know & have never heard of another method
If any one one has a better way I'd really appreciate hearing it.

This is not some hypothetical internet nonsense.
Go to Leerburg dot com and search for "Dealing with the aggressive dog"
Its written by a gentleman who's forgotten more than most of us will ever know.

"If you have smaller dog ? At times its easier to pick your dog up and keep walking .. "
Great if you can but .... given the speed that this can happen you may not see the aggressor coming
consequently your small dog may well be held by the throat or neck, both with fatal out comes if you don't react immediately.
Two fast shakes of the aggressor's head and the smaller dog may well be fatally injured or killed out right

Any how your mileage may vary, I hope you find the information useful and please do let me know if you come across a better solution.

 

 

Further to the above

leerburg.com/dogfight.htm

 

An interesting/informative read

https://leerburg.com/aggresiv.htm

-- Edited by PeterInSa on Saturday 4th of September 2021 10:34:38 AM

Cheap insect surface spray...you will not see the dog near you again.

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Dick0 wrote:

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Cheap insect surface spray...you will not see the dog near you again.

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That's animal cruelty. You should go to jail if you actually sprayed it.

However, if it was your dog that was torn to pieces..  I was attacked so many times I no longer took her for a walk. 

Lucky I had a small dog, large block of land so she didn't need to go for a walk.  

What really annoyed me were those big dogs that roamed off lead in free camps and CP's.  They have come inside my van.  Molly would go ape.  No fear unfortunately.  Even if the dog's head was bigger than she was.  Lucky they got such a shock standing there head in doorway wondering what she was and why she was going crook.

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If a dog is ruthlessly attacking you, your child or your pet you will use any means available to you to stop the attack. Best to be prepared in advance!

Any brutal attack by an animal will end up having that animal put down. So in what circumstances is your definition of animal cruelty.

In the past, three dogs have brutally attacked my children and all three dogs were put down.

Was that animal cruelty?