My question would be, if you're not a scientist, specifically a climate scientist, then what is your opinion worth? Are you even entitled to have one? When Charlie Teo is preparing for his next neurosurgery, does he call you and ask for your opinion?

Let me answer my own question. Your opinion is worth absolutely nothing. My opinion is to defer to the collective opinion of the scientific community.

Dorian, my take is that when the scientists, that is ALL the scientists agree with proof, on a matter then I will start to listen.

In the meantime I do observe that climate change has been happening since time began, and no I am not billions of years old - just looking at many recorded observations of the scientific world and noticing how some records are suddenly wiped as inaccurate after a group of "new" scientists push a political agender.

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Dorian, my take is that when the scientists, that is ALL the scientists agree with proof, on a matter then I will start to listen.

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It doesn't matter how many skeptical scientists there are, your opinion is still worth nothing. Theirs has value, though.

Charlie Teo has many detractors in the medical profession. Does the mere existence of these detractors entitle you to an opinion about his next surgery?

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Charlie Teo has many detractors in the medical profession. Does the mere existence of these detractors entitle you to an opinion about his next surgery?

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 Or should people NOT have the surgery because another 'expert' doesn't agree?

Hey Buzz,

Voting is anonymous so unless one comments, the other members do not know which way you voted.

I really do t think that of the 23 people that did vote, any one of them would not be afraid of the criticism.

This is a public forum and as such each person has and is entitled to his / her own opinion.
If it doesnt fit the result you wanted then you need to just deal with it.

BTW the current percentage indicates only one vote the difference between the two views.
Maybe a session with a megaphone out in a large shopping centre on a pulpit, or wandering about kissing babies may help to sway it to favour your views and agenda. 

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According to Dorian you are wrong, I'm NOT entitled to an opinion. 

 

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You can have an opinion as long as you understand its value, which is essentially nothing.  

As far as forums or life in general go you wont find mostly like minded people. Every body is different minded & just as well.

Buzz,

I can only suggest this.

You are welcome to your opinion, and expressing it to seek to educate others to share it.

If you do that, then you must grant others the right to do the same with their opinion, posting as freely as yourself. 

If you do post opinions on an open and general forum such as Grey Nomads, unfortunately for you, there will be opposition to your position. That is the beauty of our society and the forum. I am afraid that your current comments seem to suggest you don't want to hear anyone express their opinion if it is not the same as yours, and that opposing opinions are forcing you to consider leaving. 

If you want to only discuss this issue with like minded people i would suggest you find a Climate Change Believers Forum and discuss things there, where you will be with like minded people, your sort of people as you put it.

I think that would be the best course of action for you, not because I disagree, or otherwise, with your opinion, but as it appears to stay is only going to create angst for you as I suggest you will never know whether the majority of the 26000 members you mention agree with you or otherwise. Perhaps stay and only discuss travel here, which hopefully would be less stressful for you!

I hope you find some peace and less climate stress whatever you decide to do.

 

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So many of the replies here are reflections of what you would hear if you listened to those renowned scientists like Pauline hanson et al.
Im sure one is actually verbatim what the well known scientists Alan Jones also said so itmust be true
Ifeel like the chairman of cop who cried at the results as voted by our world leaders.
It just reinforces the fact that the vast majority of people dont give a rats and wont even contemplate that their entrenched 'beliefs' are wrong
If we did care, WE would do something about it but we wont. We will just do what we have always done and leavecour failures for the following generations to fix

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Buzz,

I can only suggest this.

You are welcome to your opinion, and expressing it to seek to educate others to share it.

If you do that, then you must grant others the right to do the same with their opinion, posting as freely as yourself. 

If you do post opinions on an open and general forum such as Grey Nomads, unfortunately for you, there will be opposition to your position. That is the beauty of our society and the forum. I am afraid that your current comments seem to suggest you don't want to hear anyone express their opinion if it is not the same as yours, and that opposing opinions are forcing you to consider leaving. 

If you want to only discuss this issue with like minded people i would suggest you find a Climate Change Believers Forum and discuss things there, where you will be with like minded people, your sort of people as you put it.

I think that would be the best course of action for you, not because I disagree, or otherwise, with your opinion, but as it appears to stay is only going to create angst for you as I suggest you will never know whether the majority of the 26000 members you mention agree with you or otherwise. Perhaps stay and only discuss travel here, which hopefully would be less stressful for you!

I hope you find some peace and less climate stress whatever you decide to do.

 

-- Edited by TheHeaths on Monday 15th of November 2021 05:36:55 PM

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 Very well said

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TheHeaths wrote:

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Buzz,

I can only suggest this.

You are welcome to your opinion, and expressing it to seek to educate others to share it.

If you do that, then you must grant others the right to do the same with their opinion, posting as freely as yourself. 

If you do post opinions on an open and general forum such as Grey Nomads, unfortunately for you, there will be opposition to your position. That is the beauty of our society and the forum. I am afraid that your current comments seem to suggest you don't want to hear anyone express their opinion if it is not the same as yours, and that opposing opinions are forcing you to consider leaving. 

If you want to only discuss this issue with like minded people i would suggest you find a Climate Change Believers Forum and discuss things there, where you will be with like minded people, your sort of people as you put it.

I think that would be the best course of action for you, not because I disagree, or otherwise, with your opinion, but as it appears to stay is only going to create angst for you as I suggest you will never know whether the majority of the 26000 members you mention agree with you or otherwise. Perhaps stay and only discuss travel here, which hopefully would be less stressful for you!

I hope you find some peace and less climate stress whatever you decide to do.

 

-- Edited by TheHeaths on Monday 15th of November 2021 05:36:55 PM

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Well said Ian.

People must realise that if you offer opinions on controversial issues your going to receive replies from those who disagree with you.

As the old saying goes, if you cant handle the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

 

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 It's not the different options that the problem. Obviously, everybody is different and healthy, unthreatening discussions are good. It's the way that some express those opinions that's menacing.

 

Disagreeing replies are acceptable but nowadays, no one deserves to have "the heat" put upon them. 

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Buzz Lightbulb wrote:

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Disagreeing replies are acceptable but nowadays, no one deserves to have "the heat" put upon them. 

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Do you mean others must not disagree with you too strongly for your liking?

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@Buzz, why do you consider my statements as a personal attack? I am merely stating the obvious, namely that neither you nor I have the necessary scientific qualifications to formulate a valid opinion on this subject. I don't feel demeaned by my ignorance of this subject, and neither should you. If I've underestimated you, and you are in fact a climate scientist, then please accept my sincere apology.

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 "Your opinion is worth nothing." I find that personal.

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To me, an opinion has value only if the utterer of that opinion is knowledgeable in the subject.

What do you believe is the value of your opinion?

By the way, when I say "your", I'm referring to anyone who hasn't studied or researched climate science. That includes me.

 

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 Everone is entitled to an opinion but the important thing was that i was NOT putting an opinion forward. You just assumed that I was making some opinion and said that it had no value.

If one looks at, probably 50% of comments on this forum, they are personal opinions by people who aren't experts in the field to which they are commenting, so why, now, all of a sudden, my opinion has no value?

If you don't mean 'you' then say 'one's' or 'none experts'? I suggest you check your comments before you post them, to eliminate any ambiguity.

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Too hot in the kitchen?

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 Meaning?