I found the clip believable. I'm not willing to argue with those who don't. The World has committed to Solar, Wind, Wave and Geothermal, with the guilt trips imposed by Financiers, Banks, Politicians, Anarchists and such. To the extent of us all rushing inexorably to the point of no return.

One mans view of Americas  possible future, not that it will worry him he has a net worth of $950 million

 

But the fault lies not in our stars, but in ourselves. And its more than just $50 for a pound of beef or a $1,000 monthly electricity bill. This mid winter nightmare gets worse, much worse.

On your drive to the gas station, you detour to avoid a group of protestors/looters, who are burning tires in the middle of the road. You don't want to get stopped by them. They will pull you from your car and beat you to death right in the street.

And then, when you see the prices at the pumps, you may want to murder someone, too. You paid just $39 for a gallon of regular the week before. Now, it is $45.

And then, there's no gas at all.

Well, what would you expect?

The worlds leading governments embarked on a Great Transition away from fossil fuel. At the United Nations COP26 Climate Change Conference in 2021, they aimed to cut the use of gas, coal, and oil in half by 2035.

It would cost US$150 trillion, said US Secretary of the Treasury Janet Yellen.

But all the major nations were already running huge deficits. The only way they could fund the transition along with their marvelous social infrastructure programs was by printing money.

Cold War on fossil fuels

Thus did the great nations light a stick of dynamite at both ends.

It was fossil fuel that made it possible to feed, clothe, and house eight billion people.

There were fewer than two billion people on the planet in 1900. Solar energy, sequestered in oil, gas, and coal, made it possible to quadruple the population.

But take away the fossil fuel, and what would those extra six billion people eat? Where would they live? How would they keep warm?

And pay for this transition with fake money? Even in 2021, the inflation rate in the US was running at 6%. Wasn't it obvious that printing more money would make it worse?

The policymakers said they would replace oil, gas, and coal, with solar, wind, and geothermal energy. But in 2021, renewables only represented, effectively, about 5% of the worlds total energy supplies even after four decades of investment and development.

And tractors didn't run on solar power or windmills; they ran on gasoline, which had gotten scarce.

And where was the mystery in that?

When governments turned off traditional energy sources while subsidising and bankrolling green energy with trillions in newly printed money they set in motion supply-side disruptions that proved well fatal.

Regards,

Bill Bonner,

-- Edited by norto on Friday 3rd of December 2021 01:30:21 PM

Mike Harding wrote:

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Wanda wrote:

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Here we go again,
Seriously, do you people have nothing better to do?
Over to you Mike, must be your turn next!!
Ian

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Wanda: your failing is that you suffer from a certainty that you know what is right.

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 NEXT

ps: thanks for not disappointing me Mike. 

-- Edited by Wanda on Friday 3rd of December 2021 04:01:00 PM

That vid was an eyeopener.

dorian wrote:

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Can we rely on "an Informative Presentation" from a fake "university"? I think not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PragerU

PragerU, short for Prager University, is an American 501(c) nonprofit media company that creates videos on various political, economic, and sociological topics from an American conservative viewpoint. The organization was co-founded by Allen Estrin and talk show host and writer Dennis Prager in 2009. The organization relies on tax-deductible donations, and much of its early funding came from billionaires Dan and Farris Wilks.

Despite the name, PragerU is not an academic institution and does not hold classes, does not grant certifications or diplomas, and is not accredited by any recognized body. PragerU is frequently criticized for presenting misleading or factually incorrect content in its videos, particularly those that downplay climate change, the COVID-19 pandemic, and racism, as well as those that oppose immigration.

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Why do "people" post this crap?

(the original post)

-- Edited by Wanda on Saturday 4th of December 2021 09:12:15 AM

-- Edited by Wanda on Saturday 4th of December 2021 09:12:56 AM

Wanda wrote:

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dorian wrote:

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Can we rely on "an Informative Presentation" from a fake "university"? I think not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PragerU

PragerU, short for Prager University, is an American 501(c) nonprofit media company that creates videos on various political, economic, and sociological topics from an American conservative viewpoint. The organization was co-founded by Allen Estrin and talk show host and writer Dennis Prager in 2009. The organization relies on tax-deductible donations, and much of its early funding came from billionaires Dan and Farris Wilks.

Despite the name, PragerU is not an academic institution and does not hold classes, does not grant certifications or diplomas, and is not accredited by any recognized body. PragerU is frequently criticized for presenting misleading or factually incorrect content in its videos, particularly those that downplay climate change, the COVID-19 pandemic, and racism, as well as those that oppose immigration.

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Why do "people" post this crap?

(the original post)

-- Edited by Wanda on Saturday 4th of December 2021 09:12:15 AM

-- Edited by Wanda on Saturday 4th of December 2021 09:12:56 AM

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 Hi Wanda,

Debunking the debunkers is what it is about. It doesnt add a lot to genuine debate but it makes entertaining reading for some.

No matter what monetary or scientific facts are put up, there will always be someone will jump to the challenge to debunk the facts presented, and vica verca in a lot of instances.

The easiest way that those who need to feel all warm and fuzzy about the money they drop into the bottomless pit to save the planet in ten years, is to discredit the presenter and the sources of the facts. 

If you believe the money you pay and will be paying in the future will fix the Earths  climate, then go right ahead.

If this is the case scroll on by,

If you dont like the original post and dont wish to reply constructively then scroll on by.

If you dont have an opinion or thought on the subject then the topic is not for you.

Presently the topic has had 227 views and 11 comments. If at the end of the day that number hasnt increased then those people have voted with their fingers

Have a nice day Wanda.

-- Edited by Rob Driver on Saturday 4th of December 2021 09:48:17 AM

Dorian,

While you are quick to discredit the presenter in the link in the original post, you havent given any of us your personal run down as to how legitament (sp) are the qualifications of Greta Thunberg.
After all isnt she an actor who is doing a presentation on climate.

And you are slipping, you havent de bunked nortos post YET.

Some good points in the last couple of posts by MH and The Heaths.

One fact ( no we should not call it fact) for want of a better world, is that those who deny the quoted doom and gloom arent demanding that all Australians pay an extra tax, levy, fee, or penalty in the hope of supposedly fixing a problem which has yet to be PROVEN in a world where Australia has no control at all.

Australia and its people arent to blame, Australia would be seen in a better light that if at the next so called DOOM OF THE WORLD meeting, we inform those wanting our money, that Australia has planted X amount of trees per set period and to continue to do so will be Australias way of assisting with any perceived C02 levels in our atmosphere. We could do other things in addition to this but lets just keep it simple for now.

Money for development for new technology should come from those standing to make the profit, not those that are going to be potentially buying that product.

Having two bob each way is a safer bet but it is not addressing the problem that we are facing with demands of money from other countries.
In time I am absolutely positive that the worlds tech giants and others will come up with alternative fuels but I dont want my family to be paying our money to any unfounded or dubious source on the heresay of some 16 year old school girl whos statement and tears are prompted for effect.

Our government leaders should make decisions the way MOST Australians want us to go and not be influenced by a vocal minority as it exists presently.

One new tree per person per year in Australia would be 26 million trees per year. I am not a scientist but the effect of this could be calculated.

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I think your the minority RD

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 And you base that on what?

I hope you dont think that a group of unemployed miscreants on the steps of Parliament House represent the majority, nor do the complete idiots that decide to chain themselves to a railway line in NQ.

But if you are correct we are in big big trouble.

-- Edited by Rob Driver on Saturday 4th of December 2021 11:16:56 AM

Wanda wrote:

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Mate, I can't be bothered getting into a discussion with you.
I cringe every time I see a post from you and your buddy MH.
Your happy to put **** on a 16yr old who has the guts to get up and at least have a go, good on her and her generation.
They are going to have to fix what our generation has stuffed up or refuses to accept.
Bitter twisted old men, the sooner their gone the better off this world will be.
Likewise have a good day
Ian

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 Thanks for your view.

Just to clear one thing up I didnt put anything on the 16 year old girl, both her and her producers and directors brought that on themselves but dont get your knickers in a twist, her statements have not been debunked in this topic as has others whose comments appear to be against at least, one forum commentators beliefs.

As I suggested, if you dont like me or any other contributor in any topic then dont sweat, just scroll on past the topic.

-- Edited by Rob Driver on Saturday 4th of December 2021 11:33:26 AM

@Rob, as far as I can tell, Thunberg is merely an activist who is calling on governments to follow the recommendations of climate scientists. She is concerned about the world that the older generation will leave behind for her. Unlike you, she doesn't preach in Internet forums about Milankovitch cycles and other subjects which she knows nothing about. Therefore, her knowledge, or lack of knowledge, of the various factors influencing the global warming discussion is moot.

As for renewables, I can't see how they could completely replace traditional energy sources, but it's better than doing nothing. I'm hoping that nuclear fusion will be the saviour.

Follow the money and you will find the truth.

Rob Driver wrote:

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Mate, I can't be bothered getting into a discussion with you.
I cringe every time I see a post from you and your buddy MH.
Your happy to put **** on a 16yr old who has the guts to get up and at least have a go, good on her and her generation.
They are going to have to fix what our generation has stuffed up or refuses to accept.
Bitter twisted old men, the sooner their gone the better off this world will be.
Likewise have a good day
Ian

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 Thanks for your view.

Just to clear one thing up I didnt put anything on the 16 year old girl, both her and her producers and directors brought that on themselves but dont get your knickers in a twist, her statements have not been debunked in this topic as has others whose comments appear to be against at least, one forum commentators beliefs.

As I suggested, if you dont like me or any other contributor in any topic then dont sweat, just scroll on past the topic.

-- Edited by Rob Driver on Saturday 4th of December 2021 11:33:26 AM

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Maybe you should read some of the garbage you write

and by the way,

If I wish to comment I will continue to do so, much like you do, so, if you don't like my comments, just scroll on by buddy!

have a good day

Wanda wrote:

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I cringe every time I see a post from you and your buddy MH.

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Oh that is excellent! I must ensure I post more often.

dorian wrote:

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@Rob, I don't have any time for the "me, me, me, now, now, now" generation. I hope they get the world that they deserve.

Personally, I couldn't give a toss about the future of the planet. If it were up to me, I would push the Armageddon button right now. The human race isn't worth saving.

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 Sounds like you've been reading Schopenhauer Dorian, he was another cheerful soul.

https://www.spring.org.uk/2008/01/schopenhauers-extreme-self-help-for.php

 

The worst is yet to come. Schopenhauer

German philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer was such an extreme pessimist that he thought we live in the worst of all possible worlds and happiness is an illusion. This is what makes it surprising that he wrote a best-selling book containing a self-help section. And yet he did. Although calling it self-help is somewhat misleading; the main aim of his advice was really reducing misery.

Yup, old Arthur was full of fun."