Australia Day 2022

Craig1 · Guru

Australia Day 2022

oldbloke · Guru

And they make it for about 13c. The glass stubbiy costs about 15c

SoloMC · Senior Member

Craig1 wrote:
I hope you all can celebrate in any way that suits you, after all that is our freedom to do so. Except for DicDan, who lets you go to the tennis and pay $13 for a beer, but will not let a parade take place in Melbourne. Maybe enough Vic's will remember at next e.....n.

If youre silly enough to go to the tennis and pay $13 for a beer then you deserve it

jebs · Veteran Member

Does the Government set the beer prices at the tennis?

Ivan 01 · Guru

jebs wrote:
Does the Government set the beer prices at the tennis?

No but they do set a volume / alc % tax. Paid at the brewery gate and passed on to the retailer.

But not all bad news, the caterers, hopefully, will pay the correct GST if applicable. cry

Corndoggy · Senior Member

If your that unhappy about the tax or the price the answer is very simple. Stop drinking it.

-- Edited by Corndoggy on Tuesday 25th of January 2022 10:23:56 AM

86GTS · Guru

Corndoggy wrote:
If your that unhappy about the tax or the price the answer is very simple. Stop drinking it.

-- Edited by Corndoggy on Tuesday 25th of January 2022 10:23:56 AM

A very sensible reply IMO.

https://www.brewers.org.au/beer-the-facts/beer-and-taxes/

-- Edited by 86GTS on Tuesday 25th of January 2022 02:01:08 PM

Craig1 · Guru

My point was that Dan has banned the Australia Day March in Melbourne again, 2nd year now. It costs him some money for crowd control as well>Claims it is too dangerous on health grounds.
Yet he lets Aust Open go ahead, cheek to cheek drunks that happily pay $13 for a beer. Obviously more tax for his big spend govt.

Bobdown · Guru

Happy Australia Day everyone.

I'll be having lamb chops on the BBQ, a nice cold can of Emu Export or two and watching the cricket not tennis.

Cheers Bob

First thing that went up was the flagpole.......

Ivan 01 · Guru

86GTS wrote:
Corndoggy wrote:
If your that unhappy about the tax or the price the answer is very simple. Stop drinking it.

-- Edited by Corndoggy on Tuesday 25th of January 2022 10:23:56 AM
A very sensible reply IMO.
https://www.brewers.org.au/beer-the-facts/beer-and-taxes/

-- Edited by 86GTS on Tuesday 25th of January 2022 02:01:08 PM

I hope that wasnt directed at me corndoggy.

Personally I dont know how they make it for the price.

Mind you, while I was crook I gave it up for 15 months. That is one very long AFD biggrin

oldbloke · Guru

Corndoggy wrote:
If your that unhappy about the tax or the price the answer is very simple. Stop drinking it.

-- Edited by Corndoggy on Tuesday 25th of January 2022 10:23:56 AM

Or make it for 35 cents a stubbie. biggrin

dorian · Guru

I found this opinion piece by Stan Grant interesting:

On Australia Day, how do we define our national identity? Or is the exercise too dangerous?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-26/australia-day-how-do-we-define-national-identity-dangerous/100780122

Mike Harding · Guru

What's he saying Dorian?

As best I can tell from his jumble of "deep and meaningful" quotations be says it's wrong to feel national pride.

Santa · Guru

Stan is on my do not read list, he attempts to put 2 + 2 together and invariably arrives at the wrong conclusion.

National pride, crucial for a unified nation, what hope Australia with its hotchpotch of races, each aligned with the views of their country of origin, few young Australians would be prepared to defend our country unless conscripted.

Now we have two flags, this will only divide us further.

dorian · Guru

He's saying that "pride" comes with caveats. National pride must be carefully measured. When improperly interpreted and expressed, pride leads to international confrontations. He has a unique perspective in that he has both indigenous and European heritage. Basically he is saying that "the world is too readily divided into 'us and them'". Be proud, but be careful in the way that you execute that pride.

I agree that his quotations are a bit over the top. I think he likes to see himself as erudite and well read.

dorian · Guru

Santa wrote:
Stan is on my do not read list, he attempts to put 2 + 2 together and invariably arrives at the wrong conclusion.
National pride, crucial for a unified nation, what hope Australia with its hotchpotch of races, each aligned with the views of their country of origin, few young Australians would be prepared to defend our country unless conscripted.
Now we have two flags, this will only divide us further.

I think you mean that he "invariably arrives at a conclusion which differs from your own".

As for your claim that "few young Australians would be prepared to defend our country unless conscripted", that's just offensive in the extreme. That's the kind of bigotry that has resulted in the wartime sacrifices of indigenous Australians remaining unrecognised until recent years.

If you have any doubts about national pride, just see how Australians get behind their sporting teams. And I mean all Australians, not just dinky-di, true blue, Anglo Irish, white Aussies.

-- Edited by dorian on Wednesday 26th of January 2022 08:55:43 AM

Rob Driver · Guru

dorian wrote:
He's saying that "pride" comes with caveats. National pride must be carefully measured. When improperly interpreted and expressed, pride leads to international confrontations. He has a unique perspective in that he has both indigenous and European heritage. Basically he is saying that "the world is too readily divided into 'us and them'". Be proud, but be careful in the way that you execute that pride.

I agree that his quotations are a bit over the top. I think he likes to see himself as erudite and well read.

Tip toeing around this subject is the problem. There will always be at lest two camps. It wont change because the media (incl Stan Grant) in this country wont let it.
Then we have some radical groups such as the people who painted the Captain Cook statue red and worse, watching some burn our countries flag on TV.

If someone burnt the other flag on TV there would be hell to pay. You cant have a genuine balance when everything is one sided, including comments from the likes of Stan Grant.

The only good thing about reading his personal comments as opposed to watching him on TV is that we dont have to endure how much *boot polish* type makeup he has to apply in the hope of fitting his agenda. His appearance on TV gets darker as time goes on.

One of his parents is white European.
He would not be here at all had Australia not have been settled by HIS Ancestors.

Here is another view on his written article.

https://morningmail.org/stan-grant-tread-fine-line-incitement/

Happy Australia Day folks no matter what heritage you may have.

-- Edited by Rob Driver on Wednesday 26th of January 2022 09:00:57 AM

86GTS · Guru

dorian wrote:
I found this opinion piece by Stan Grant interesting:

On Australia Day, how do we define our national identity? Or is the exercise too dangerous?
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-26/australia-day-how-do-we-define-national-identity-dangerous/100780122

Stan has strong opinions on every single issue know to man & he doesn't hold back in expressing them.

He tends to ''waffle on'' when just a few simple words would probably express things better & much clearer.

When he hosts a show where he is supposed to be obtaining the views of his guests he overpowers them by hammering home his own opinions.

dorian · Guru

86GTS wrote:
When he hosts a show where he is supposed to be obtaining the views of his guests he overpowers them by hammering home his own opinions.

I noticed that, too. Steve Liebmann used to do the same, only a lot worse.

I think Patricia Karvelas strikes the right balance in that regard.

Ivan 01 · Guru

dorian wrote:
86GTS wrote:
When he hosts a show where he is supposed to be obtaining the views of his guests he overpowers them by hammering home his own opinions.
I noticed that, too. Steve Liebmann used to do the same, only a lot worse.
I think Patricia Karvelas strikes the right balance in that regard.

My word, he does that with almost every show he hosts. To me it is very annoying. I end up shouting at the Tv. biggrin

I also have noticed as Rob has, that the line around an area below his neck looks like the tide has gone out.
Maybe that is the result of the skill of the make up staff on the ABC. disbelief

While commentators like Stan G continue to promote division it is a no brainer, there will always be division.
The ABC seem to promote it in many areas of news and events commentary.

dorian · Guru

Ivan 01 wrote:
While commentators like Stan G continue to promote division it is a no brainer, there will always be division.
The ABC seem to promote it in many areas of news and events commentary.

I see Stan Grant as a promoter of indigenous issues in a way that enables others to understand them. He has a unique perspective in that regard. I don't see him as a divisive agent at all. He may challenge the norms of the day, but so should any thinking person.

As for the ABC ...

Mornington Island's predominantly Indigenous community adopts Australia Day to 'move forward as one':

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-26/mornington-island-community-adopts-australia-day/100781036

Ivan 01 · Guru

dorian wrote:
Ivan 01 wrote:
While commentators like Stan G continue to promote division it is a no brainer, there will always be division.
The ABC seem to promote it in many areas of news and events commentary.
I see Stan Grant as a promoter of indigenous issues in a way that enables others to understand them. He has a unique perspective in that regard. I don't see him as a divisive agent at all. He may challenge the norms of the day, but so should any thinking person.
As for the ABC ...
Mornington Island's predominantly Indigenous community adopts Australia Day to 'move forward as one':
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-26/mornington-island-community-adopts-australia-day/100781036

You are entitled to enterpret his approach as you wish.

I find his presentations to be generally one sided and encitevil.
In my view, both sides need commentators with a more middle approach.

The constant beating of Australia Day is Invasion day does not cut it with me.

In real terms does anyone really think that when the first European travellers were alighting from an extended cruise half way around the world that they were all intent on invading someone elses country..

I dont really think so.
They no more wanted to be in Australia than many of the standing tenants wanted them here.

So it wasnt an invasion Stan. Making issues out of the date and the other irrelevant happenings is not an issue either. We as Australians, including Stan Grant are Australians and our (Stans and mine) elected officials have nominated this day.

Stop the division. Lets ALL just enjoy this day.

We have one of the best countries in the world. Enjoy it.

Rob Driver · Guru

Hi Ivan,

What a good point and so true, I have never heard anyone explain it that way.

I dont think your mate Stan will ever explain it that way. biggrin

In real terms does anyone really think that when the first European travellers were alighting from an extended cruise half way around the world that they were all intent on invading someone elses country..

I dont really think so.
They no more wanted to be in Australia than many of the standing tenants wanted them here.

Santa · Guru

dorian wrote:
Santa wrote:
Stan is on my do not read list, he attempts to put 2 + 2 together and invariably arrives at the wrong conclusion.
National pride, crucial for a unified nation, what hope Australia with its hotchpotch of races, each aligned with the views of their country of origin, few young Australians would be prepared to defend our country unless conscripted.
Now we have two flags, this will only divide us further.
I think you mean that he "invariably arrives at a conclusion which differs from your own".
As for your claim that "few young Australians would be prepared to defend our country unless conscripted", that's just offensive in the extreme. That's the kind of bigotry that has resulted in the wartime sacrifices of indigenous Australians remaining unrecognised until recent years.
If you have any doubts about national pride, just see how Australians get behind their sporting teams. And I mean all Australians, not just dinky-di, true blue, Anglo Irish, white Aussies.

-- Edited by dorian on Wednesday 26th of January 2022 08:55:43 AM

"Offensive in the extreme" Bigoted, your opinion, I made no mention of indigenous Australians, sounds to me like you're a follower of the nonsense that Bruce Pascoe and his ilk promote.

You are confusing sporting fanaticism with national pride, two very different things, Krygios has been quoted overnight (referring to the tennis) Sink piss and come here. and There is no way around it, me and Thanasi are definitely role models to youth in Australia, if this is true I hold grave concerns for the youth of our country.

I stand by the comments in my first post. smile

Santa · Guru

I also have noticed as Rob has, that the line around an area below his neck looks like the tide has gone out.
Maybe that is the result of the skill of the make up staff on the ABC.

I thought Stan's complexion was due to excessive use of a sun tan lamp.

Rob Driver · Guru

Santa wrote:

I also have noticed as Rob has, that the line around an area below his neck looks like the tide has gone out.
Maybe that is the result of the skill of the make up staff on the ABC.

I thought Stan's complexion was due to excessive use of a sun tan lamp.

Could very well be Santa.

I might suggest that if that is the case then he needs to tan a bit lower down from his head and neck.

On any case my observation is that he appears to need to be darker in complexion than he is when * off set*