jegog wrote:

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With leaf springs I thought that airbag were added and the leaf springs remained and so in reality the load would be spread over three chassis points instead of two. Adding air bags is just increasing the suspension load capacity.

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 Airbags do nothing but lift the car and van so the whole unit looks pretty! There is NO transfer of weight from anywhere to anywhere,but the unit is levelled. Airbags should NEVER be used on leaf-sprung vehicles because the airbag imposes force on an area of the chassis that is not designed to carry weight,although some people seem to use them,but with very low pressures.Cheers

P.S If you care to Google something like "Do airbags increase load carrying capacity",or similar,you will discover the sad truth.Cheers

peter67 wrote:

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Just watched John Cadogan's new vid on WDH. He also said the tow vehicle is more important than what you are towing, you have to get that right first. He suggested instead of spending well north of 100,000 on a landcruiser 200 or 300 (which weigh more than a dodge ram) just buy a brand new Hino or Canter cab chassis for 80,000, problem solved.

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 Agreed,but deary deary me,how would the poor souls who tow with LC200s look in a Hino or a Canter? Many may not realise that the LC300 is even less capable than is the 200.Forget the Ram 1500 too if you wish to tow much more than about 3000kg as a PIG trailer. Cheers

P.S How do you think a Canter or Hino would handle this relatively mild offroad exercise? And when the going got really tough,the 79 would be the only one going! Cheers

yobarr wrote:

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peter67 wrote:

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Just watched John Cadogan's new vid on WDH. He also said the tow vehicle is more important than what you are towing, you have to get that right first. He suggested instead of spending well north of 100,000 on a landcruiser 200 or 300 (which weigh more than a dodge ram) just buy a brand new Hino or Canter cab chassis for 80,000, problem solved.

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 Agreed,but deary deary me,how would the poor souls who tow with LC200s look in a Hino or a Canter? Many may not realise that the LC300 is even less capable than is the 200.Forget the Ram 1500 too if you wish to tow much more than about 3000kg as a PIG trailer. Cheers

 

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 So if you want comfort and power and are happy to tow around 3,000kg .........get a LC200 series.

So if you want to tow 3,500kg and don't mind bouncing around in a wheelbarrow that can carry the weight........get a 79 series.

No argument there Yobarr eh? No WDH, no dog trailer just a better ride all round.

Cheers Bob

yobarr wrote:

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 So if you want comfort and power and are happy to tow around 3,000kg .. get a LC200 series.

So if you want to tow 3,500kg and don't mind bouncing around in a wheelbarrow that can carry the weight....... get a 79 series.

No argument there Yobarr eh? No WDH, no dog trailer just a better ride all round.

Cheers Bob

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 Great to see that you understand the situation,Bob,as evidenced by the highlighted text above,but since 99% of caravans are PIG trailers,I don't understand your reference to a dog trailer? The severe towing limitations of the LC200 series are understood by few,so you are to be applauded. Cheers

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Agreed,but deary deary me,how would the poor souls who tow with LC200s look in a Hino or a Canter? Many may not realise that the LC300 is even less capable than is the 200.Forget the Ram 1500 too if you wish to tow much more than about 3000kg as a PIG trailer. Cheers

I was being sarcastic Chris, my point is that if you want a more comfortable ride get a LC200 over a 79 series. The 200 Cruiser probably outnumbers all other tow vehicles in Australia, and beats most for safety, comfort and ride.

Not everyone has a very heavy van and needs to carry 900 kg in the back of a ute that rides like a camel.

Your choice, as is my choice of vehicle.

cheers Bob

Puzzles me how so many seem to have travelled thousands of kilometres in an LC79,so are thus able to offer an "opinion" on its ride. An LC79 doesn't need a suspension upgrade to safely tow 3500kg,but simply combining the factory  axle of 1480kg (front) and 2300kg (rear) allows owners to safely run at 6800kg GCM. Having spent a large part of my life driving trucks,I don't even notice any problem with the ride,but the EFS shocks may be the reason for that? The LC200 is indeed a powerful, comfortable car which I did try,but it failed the "tough test" of safely towing 3500kg,so I bought the 79 instead. The claim that the LC200 probably outnumbers all other tow vehicles in Australia probably is true,which simply shows the sheep mentality of so many. Keeping up with the Jones' comes to mind,and the LC200 is indeed a fine car. BUT,because of the lightweight rear axle, don't ever think that you can safely tow much more than about 3000kg with one,certainly not 3500kg. Cheers

P.S Nice picture of Triton.

ThisisaTriton.FantasticperforanceatagreatpriceunlikeToysh1ta.Cheers.:)

yobarr wrote:

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Puzzles me how so many seem to have travelled thousands of kilometres in an LC79,so are thus able to offer an "opinion" on its ride. An LC79 doesn't need a suspension upgrade to safely tow 3500kg,but simply combining the factory  axle of 1480kg (front) and 2300kg (rear) allows owners to safely run at 6800kg GCM. Having spent a large part of my life driving trucks,I don't even notice any problem with the ride,but the EFS shocks may be the reason for that? The LC200 is indeed a powerful, comfortable car which I did try,but it failed the "tough test" of safely towing 3500kg,so I bought the 79 instead. The claim that the LC200 probably outnumbers all other tow vehicles in Australia probably is true,which simply shows the sheep mentality of so many. Keeping up with the Jones' comes to mind,and the LC200 is indeed a fine car. BUT,because of the lightweight rear axle, don't ever think that you can safely tow much more than about 3000kg with one,certainly not 3500kg. Cheers

P.S Nice picture of Triton.

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 I have in fact done many km's in a LC79, towing an excavator for work...........like I said rides like a camel.  

oldbloke wrote:

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Get some new glasses. It's a Toysh1ta.

-- Edited by oldbloke on Saturday 26th of February 2022 09:52:41 AM

-- Edited by oldbloke on Saturday 26th of February 2022 09:53:08 AM

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 When in doubt,and unable to follow a discussion,you always can attempt to save face by throwing in a Red Herring. Fortunately,my eyesight is 20/20 and I do not need glasses. Cheers.

I see that my 2019 Triton requires weight distribution when towing, so I'm researching a new vehicle.
In the new 2022/23 Ford Ranger that say
"Vehicles should be weighed before adding additional load, accessories or towing a trailer to ensure the maximum Gross Vehicle Mass (GVM) and Gross Combined Mass (GCM) are not exceeded. On variants where both a 6-speed manual and 6-speed auto are available, the 6-speed auto typically is 17-18kg heavier than manual, which then reduces the payload by 17-18kg. 3. Subject to State and Territory regulations. Payload is defined as the Gross Vehicle Mass minus the kerb mass. Payload is the maximum combined value of occupants, cargo, added options, added structures and tow ball download (when towing). GVM must not be exceeded. 4. Maximum braked towing capacity when fitted with a genuine Ford Tow Pack. Subject to State and Territory regulations. Further weight restrictions apply, please consult your authorised Ford Dealer and/or refer to the Owners Manual for guidance."
So no requirement for a WDH mentioned.
Also ARB will be providing Ford approved products designed with Ford input which can be ordered and installed prior to delivery and are covered by the Ford Warranty.

If the Ford Tow Pack does not include a WDH then it is not required.

From jegog

*If the Ford Tow Pack does not include a WDH then it is not required.*

You may want to assess that when you have your van hooked up to your new Ranger.

The Ford Tow Pack and its contents might be based more on keeping the *Tow Pak* at an affordable price than ensuring the weight imposed on the tow bar from behind the rear axle is not removing weight from the steering so as to make brakes and steering ability on that axle to be rendered dangerous.

If the dealer is adamant that you dont need one then ask them to hook your van to a demo Ranger and then check the specs on a weighbridge.

Be sure to include Tow Ball Weight as well as all the axles. It may be better to find out before you purchase the new vehicle.

Or if they wont do that then, at the very least, hook your van to the demo and measure the height difference when connected as opposed to the vehicles unladen or unhooked height. This will go a long way to eliminate any surprises and purchase regret down the track.

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Just had a thought.
The tow bar and WDH would need to be included in the tow ball weight. If not the tow bar then the hitch needs to be included, yet none of the videos I have seen mention removing the hitch when measuring and calculating weights.
Or am I barking up the wrong tree?

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When you go over a weigh bridge its all weighed then. But the WDH hitch (if thats what you mean)  will be part of the tug.

Best to load van and tug up as per normal holiday. With water tanks empty or full. Not half full.

GeeIhopeIgotthatright.Otherwisesomeexspertwilltellmeoff. 

Perhapstheexspertsherewillprovideyouwithaneasytofollowprocedureforgoingovertheweighbridge.

Perhapstheexspertsherewillprovideeveryoneontheforumwithaneasytofollowprocedureforgoingovertheweighbridge

yobarr wrote:

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Dougwe wrote:

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OMG!

Give it a rest Yobbah. After 17 comments from you in this thread we are all over it.

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 Sorry that my contributions are of concern to you Doug. Simple solution is to ignore my posts,as I do with a couple of members. Always I try to supply information that is helpful to others, but you may have noticed that another member has posted a dozen or so times,with absolutely nothing intelligent contributed? Cheers

-- Edited by yobarr on Saturday 26th of February 2022 11:00:28 PM

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 PleaseYobarr,couldyoujustposttheweighbridgeprocedure.TheOPiswaitingforyouprofessionalassistancewiththisimportantprocedure.Cheers:)

P.S.I'msureothermembersarekeentolearnfromyoualso.:)