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Craig1 · Guru

Fan the Flames

Clarky 1 · Senior Member

I wonder will the car carriers operating on our highways here in Australia have to have a dangerous good permit and a suitably licensed driver to carry what appears to be a quite dangerous load with these new vehicles.

It appears to me that they that they burn quite ferociously.
Maybe they should be fitted with ejector seats and safety capsules for the occupants.

Mike Harding · Guru

And they don't even "Save the planet":

Electric cars - Spiked

peter67 · Guru

I wonder what peter n margaret will think about this...assuming he has time to read something that may not provide data that concurs with his beliefs, perhaps the article header will do it. Thanks for posting a clearly articulated and thought provoking piece.

Rob Driver · Guru

Great link Craig 1

It May cost a bit more from now on to insure a boat load of *planet savers* that will only end up as an artificial reef.

These were my thoughts until I opened and read the link provided by Mike H.

That article could be a complete topic on its own.
For those who read it did you note the bit about the lithium killing fish hundreds of kilometres away.

Well, that rules out that a sinking ship full of EVs will even be any value as an artificial reef.

For every solution there is always another problem.

Buzz Lightbulb · Guru

I wasn't going to bother replying to this topic but someone keeps referring to it, so here goes:

The fire was put out before the ship sank,

There was no confirmation that the fire was caused by the EVs,

The mining of lithium is killing the fish not the car batteries,

Someone thinks that the Spike website is not misinformation? ,

If someone is so concerned about the lithium batteries then how are they reading this forum and unfortunately replying? and

Some people will just not accept science to help the world yet they'll drive cars and use computers. 'Keep banging those rocks together' (Douglas Adams)

-- Edited by Buzz Lightbulb on Monday 7th of March 2022 09:43:40 AM

dorian · Guru

What happens when an oil tanker catches fire?

https://www.google.com/search?q=fire+%22oil+tanker%22&tbm=isch

dabbler · Guru

The Spiked Network is a right leaning anti-environmental group pretending to be left leaning but funded predominantly by right leaning individuals and organizations. The group's motives are disruption of contemporary issues by.appealing to popular base thinking and the occasional heralding of political policies they actually support. It's an age-old political ploy both sides of the political spectrum employ.

dorian · Guru

I lean to the left, but I read Spiked on occasion, just to find out how intelligent people on the other side think.

By the way, here are three air crashes that were attributed to lithium batteries:

http://ansondg.net/downloads/file_Lithium_battery_accidents.pdf

These were the same batteries that power our computers and mobile phones, not EV batteries. It seems to me that we need to understand the dangers and learn how to mitigate or eliminate them.

-- Edited by dorian on Monday 7th of March 2022 11:56:41 AM

Brodie Allen · Guru

dabbler wrote:
The Spiked Network is a right leaning anti-environmental group pretending to be left leaning but funded predominantly by right leaning individuals and organizations. The group's motives are disruption of contemporary issues by.appealing to popular base thinking and the occasional heralding of political policies they actually support. It's an age-old political ploy both sides of the political spectrum employ.

Just one alternative to the censored leftist press/.

All angles need to be considered.

Keep fairly informed.

See Dr Mercola also.

oldbloke · Guru

I took a Mercedes-Benz EV for a short drive yesterday ($120k)
I was told 100kph in 5.1 seconds. Very nice.

oldbloke · Guru

dorian wrote:
I lean to the left, but I read Spiked on occasion, just to find out how intelligent people on the other side think.

By the way, here are three air crashes that were attributed to lithium batteries:
http://ansondg.net/downloads/file_Lithium_battery_accidents.pdf
These were the same batteries that power our computers and mobile phones, not EV batteries. It seems to me that we need to understand the dangers and learn how to mitigate or eliminate them.

-- Edited by dorian on Monday 7th of March 2022 11:56:41 AM

For some years lithium batteries were restricted on air craft. Not sure what the situation is these days.

peter67 · Guru

They build a special battery compartment in large aircraft which is vented via a large pipe to the aircraft exterior, they know fire extinguishing systems won't help in case of fire. After that it's get the aircraft on the ground as soon as possible.

Greg 1 · Guru

Still restricted on aircraft. Power tool batteries are restricted to two per person with the terminals taped and out of tool. There is also a limit on battery output but I can't remember what that is.

Whenarewethere · Guru

People have short memories.There are still 90,000 Samsung washing machines in Australian properties which have caused over 30 serious fires.

Also the Chinese wire, still thousands of km in properties causing fires.

dabbler · Guru

Many common items are on the dangerous goods list and are restricted to road transport, at least in Australia. The risks and risk factors vary with each item type but are real.

dabbler · Guru

Brodie Allen, I don't see an organisation that pretends to be something other than it actually is, as a source of reliable information. There's no censorship of our shock jocks, Sky news or the Murdoch press.

Rob Driver · Guru

Greg 1 wrote:
Still restricted on aircraft. Power tool batteries are restricted to two per person with the terminals taped and out of tool. There is also a limit on battery output but I can't remember what that is.

Wrist watches will probably be next.

https://thegreynomads.activeboard.com/t68285116/the-acrid-smell-of-burning-skin-oh-the-pain/

Because watches are generally worn on the lower arm it brings a whole new meaning to *Fan the Flames*