For years I,ve used my indicators to communicate with truckies, works well, problem is my diesel ford territory indicators flash 3 times automatically what ever way You use them, I,m going to buy a handheld uhf radio to solve this problem,
but as a matter of interest has anyone of you looked into changing an indicator setup like this?,
Joda.
My Land Rover is basically a Ford with a bit of Volvo as it was designed by Ford who owned LR at the time, I have the brilliant Ford 2.0L ecoboost engine.
It indicates 3 times but if you hold the indicator for 2 flashes it overrides 3 flashes. All this stuff can be changed in the CANbus but you need to know what you are doing.
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Number of flash times can be set with a OBD2 reader and Forscan or the likes. Just need to buy one or find someone close to you that will help you out.
My own view is that if you are being followed and the vehicle is going to overtake you it is the responsibility of the overtaking driver to assess the situation to make sure it is safe to overtake.
I am extremely wary of (will not trust at all) anybody in front of me indicating, the front vehicle/driver has no idea of your overtaking capabilities and the front vehicle could be hiding something of danger from you.
If a truck/semi is wanting to pass I will hold my speed and wait until they have started their move and once fully around will back off and then give a headlight flash to let the driver know he has cleared my vehicle, I will not indicate to or for anybody to pass me, too dangerous.
I have been in and seen the situation where a driver immediately starts to overtake when an indicator is given only to discover the vehicle being overtaken is turning right or overtaking another vehicle, not a lot of fun if you are on a motorbike either.....
So if you are comfortable doing what you are doing go right ahead, just be aware of the consequences.
Rodmac, you are correct in what you are saying, I give one flash when a truck starts to overtake, its mainly to let the overtaker know that you are aware of whats going on, always receive the thank-you flash from the truck driver in most cases, I don,t do it with car drivers, one thing a truckie appreciates is a headlight flash to let him know he,s clear of you, drove a semi. doing linehaul years ago, some used indicator signals, some the c.b..
Joda.
Like Rob Mac, my view is the overtaking vehicle needs to make the decisions and I maintain speed until they commit unless there's an obvious spot to pull over and slow before hand. I never use left or right indicators unless I'm changing lanes or turning off because I've seen first hand the impact of misunderstood indicators. I will use emergency flashers as a "thank-you" or "all clear" and prefer to initiate comms over UHF when planning to stop in a few km or I know the road well enough to advice anything behind me.
The practice of giving a few indicator flashes on the kerbside indicator to suggest an overtaking possibility works perfectly well across many countries but as is so often the case in Australia we consider we are the world experts at driving and everyone else has got it wrong.
Doing so is not an *INSTRUCTION* to the driver following to overtake it is simply a helpful conveyance of information to the poor devil following a large vehicle which he has difficulty seeing around that "I think it is safe to overtake."
*Of course* he needs to check and confirm that suggestion for himself - I would have thought that was beleeding' obvious!
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The practice of giving a few indicator flashes on the kerbside indicator to suggest an overtaking possibility works perfectly well across many countries but as is so often the case in Australia we consider we are the world experts at driving and everyone else has got it wrong.
Doing so is not an *INSTRUCTION* to the driver following to overtake it is simply a helpful conveyance of information to the poor devil following a large vehicle which he has difficulty seeing around that "I think it is safe to overtake."
*Of course* he needs to check and confirm that suggestion for himself - I would have thought that was beleeding' obvious!
Good post Mike, showing that a bit of common sense goes a long way to minimising the chances of frustration causing impatient drivers to take unnecessary risks when overtaking. When I see another vehicle approaching the rear of the Roadtrain I always do my best to help with an overtaking manoeuvre, as often it is almost impossible for drivers of following vehicles to see past a 50 metre long vehicle, particularly on a sweeping left-hand bend. As soon as the road is clear I'll give a couple of flashes on the right-side indicator to indicate it's good to go. In the bush the vast majority of drivers will simply pull out and overtake, but understandably there are others who are more hesitant. THESE are the ones who cause problems because they'll "Um and Aaah" until it's too late, then they'll go. The manner in which a following vehicle approaches, and the distance it sits behind the last trailer, give an idea of the driver's wishes. With a vehicle that arrives on the scene at high speed, and sits right on the bumper of the last trailer, it is pretty clear that the driver has places to go and things to do, so he'll eagerly look for any sign that it's safe to have a look and make his own decision. Even some caravanners seem to be picking up on this practice to the benefit of all, although on the other hand we still get those caravanners who'll sit on 75kmh, hands at "10 to 2" on the steering wheel, staring straight ahead and oblivious to all around them. As you suggest, giving a couple of flashes of the indicator is not an "instruction", and is simply a signal that it's "good to go". Ultimately it's the following driver's decision, but never do I signal unless I'm 100% sure that they can overtake safely. Cheers
P.S NOT my truck. Just an old photo for interest. Cheers
The practice of giving a few indicator flashes on the kerbside indicator to suggest an overtaking possibility works perfectly well across many countries but as is so often the case in Australia we consider we are the world experts at driving and everyone else has got it wrong.
Doing so is not an *INSTRUCTION* to the driver following to overtake it is simply a helpful conveyance of information to the poor devil following a large vehicle which he has difficulty seeing around that "I think it is safe to overtake."
*Of course* he needs to check and confirm that suggestion for himself - I would have thought that was beleeding' obvious!
Good post Mike, showing that a bit of common sense goes a long way to minimising the chances of frustration causing impatient drivers to take unnecessary risks when overtaking. When I see another vehicle approaching the rear of the Roadtrain I always do my best to help with an overtaking manoeuvre, as often it is almost impossible for drivers of following vehicles to see past a 50 metre long vehicle, particularly on a sweeping left-hand bend. As soon as the road is clear I'll give a couple of flashes on the right-side indicator to indicate it's good to go. In the bush the vast majority of drivers will simply pull out and overtake, but understandably there are others who are more hesitant. THESE are the ones who cause problems because they'll "Um and Aaah" until it's too late, then they'll go. The manner in which a following vehicle approaches, and the distance it sits behind the last trailer, give an idea of the driver's wishes. With a vehicle that arrives on the scene at high speed, and sits right on the bumper of the last trailer, it is pretty clear that the driver has places to go and things to do, so he'll eagerly look for any sign that it's safe to have a look and make his own decision. Even some caravanners seem to be picking up on this practice to the benefit of all, although on the other hand we still get those caravanners who'll sit on 75kmh, hands at "10 to 2" on the steering wheel, staring straight ahead and oblivious to all around them. As you suggest, giving a couple of flashes of the indicator is not an "instruction", and is simply a signal that it's "good to go". Ultimately it's the following driver's decision, but never do I signal unless I'm 100% sure that they can overtake safely. Cheers
P.S NOT my truck. Just an old photo for interest. Cheers
So if you consider it is safe for someone to overtake you - do you indicate with left or right signal indicator.
I always considered it was the left indicator
I may have misread but the two posts contradict each other
The practice of giving a few indicator flashes on the kerbside indicator to suggest an overtaking possibility works perfectly well across many countries but as is so often the case in Australia we consider we are the world experts at driving and everyone else has got it wrong.
Doing so is not an *INSTRUCTION* to the driver following to overtake it is simply a helpful conveyance of information to the poor devil following a large vehicle which he has difficulty seeing around that "I think it is safe to overtake."
*Of course* he needs to check and confirm that suggestion for himself - I would have thought that was beleeding' obvious!
Good post Mike, showing that a bit of common sense goes a long way to minimising the chances of frustration causing impatient drivers to take unnecessary risks when overtaking. When I see another vehicle approaching the rear of the Roadtrain I always do my best to help with an overtaking manoeuvre, as often it is almost impossible for drivers of following vehicles to see past a 50 metre long vehicle, particularly on a sweeping left-hand bend. As soon as the road is clear I'll give a couple of flashes on the right-side indicator to indicate it's good to go. In the bush the vast majority of drivers will simply pull out and overtake, but understandably there are others who are more hesitant. THESE are the ones who cause problems because they'll "Um and Aaah" until it's too late, then they'll go. The manner in which a following vehicle approaches, and the distance it sits behind the last trailer, give an idea of the driver's wishes. With a vehicle that arrives on the scene at high speed, and sits right on the bumper of the last trailer, it is pretty clear that the driver has places to go and things to do, so he'll eagerly look for any sign that it's safe to have a look and make his own decision. Even some caravanners seem to be picking up on this practice to the benefit of all, although on the other hand we still get those caravanners who'll sit on 75kmh, hands at "10 to 2" on the steering wheel, staring straight ahead and oblivious to all around them. As you suggest, giving a couple of flashes of the indicator is not an "instruction", and is simply a signal that it's "good to go". Ultimately it's the following driver's decision, but never do I signal unless I'm 100% sure that they can overtake safely. Cheers
P.S NOT my truck. Just an old photo for interest. Cheers
So if you consider it is safe for someone to overtake you - do you indicate with left or right signal indicator.
I always considered it was the left indicator
I may have misread but the two posts contradict each other
Laurie
ALWAYS the right indicator. Not negotiable. To avoid confusing those who can't think for themselves, and who believe that out in the back of beyond, in the middle of a desert, you may be planning to turn right, only two or three flashes of the indicator are given. This is standard practice in the bush in WA, as is the customary left-right-left "thanks" signal from the overtaking vehicle as it returns to its lane, or the increasingly common 2 flashes of both side hazard lights. Often the vehicle being overtaken will give a quick flash of the headlights to signal that it's safe for the overtaking vehicle to return to the left lane. Works brilliantly, and I have even helped Police patrols to get past, although the UHF is used when possible. Cheers
So if you consider it is safe for someone to overtake you - do you indicate with left or right signal indicator.
I always considered it was the left indicator
I may have misread but the two posts contradict each other
Laurie
The precise reason as to why these "Tips" are dangerous and deemed illegal with penalties imposed when observed by the Police. Radio is the only option that intentions are clearly understood.
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Signalling with the right indicator (in a left drive country) is a foolish Australian habit and should be discarded - again, I would have thought this was bleedin' obvious.
Come on Australia! Get with the plot! It isn't that hard.
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