I propose one small amendment to your list Mike, just to help make the point ....

Mike Harding wrote:

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Convince 10,000,000 others I am right 

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To all you lot who don't give a s*&t, do you care what world your grand kids live in?
Fine if you don't care so long as your pathetic views don't rub off on the younger
generation who actually care, and I am talking about doing things like glueing your
face to the road but instead smarter actions.

deverall11 wrote:

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To all you lot who don't give a s*&t, do you care what world your grand kids live in?
Fine if you don't care so long as your pathetic views don't rub off on the younger
generation who actually care, and I am talking about doing things like glueing your
face to the road but instead smarter actions.

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 OK Mr Hysterical... tell me what *I* could do which would make a difference to your doom laden prediction?

 

Mike Harding wrote:

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deverall11 wrote:

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To all you lot who don't give a s*&t, do you care what world your grand kids live in?
Fine if you don't care so long as your pathetic views don't rub off on the younger
generation who actually care, and I am talking about doing things like glueing your
face to the road but instead smarter actions.

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 OK Mr Hysterical... tell me what *I* could do which would make a difference to your doom laden prediction?

 

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i would have thought that if Mr. Harding glued his face to the road the solvents that they use to break the glue down could cause as much environmental damage as the bitumen it would be stuck to .
to my simple thought process, the only way to make any impact on potential environmental damage to our earth, would be population control ( i think China tried to deal with the issue, before they ran out of room and food )
the more people we generate the more raw material/ food we need, to give use all the things we desire. are the younger generation going to give up their devices that require power to operate an limit the children they have ?
i don't see us older folks as being the problem (expept that maybe we are not dying fast enough),some us older folks live pretty much off grid but the things we need still require the need for power

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dogbox wrote:

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i don't see us older folks as being the problem (expept that maybe we are not dying fast enough),some us older folks live pretty much off grid but the things we need still require the need for power

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 Perhaps lead by example. Isn't that the job of a parent  - to teach. It's no wonder we have a bunch of ignoramus kids

who lack some basic teachings. All they know is FOMO.

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my grandkids are old enough to make their own decisions as to what they will do to save the planet and the great grandkids they will get their inspiration from their parents /teachers/friends ect by the time they are old enough to participate in the climate debate i should be long gone .
i must confess that from the original two( me and the wife) the family now numbers 15 excluding partners add them in an the number becomes 18 ( we need 6 houses, 10 cars) i'm sure there will be more great grandkids to come , so i have contributed to the population explosion, the need for power /gas/ food /cars /housing ect ect is constantly increasing
i sort my rubbish if it is convenient, donate my cans and bottles use solar/battery power when reasonable but i draw the line at cold showers other than living in a cave not much else i can do


-- Edited by dogbox on Sunday 18th of December 2022 08:27:52 PM

"I am talking about doing things like . . . . .  smarter actions."

Australia's population - 26,000,000

China's population - 1,426,000,000

India's population - 1,417,000,000

Indonesia's population - 280,608,335

Add in:-

USA - 332,403,650 (the second highest emitter of greenhouse gases)

Russia - 146,087,801  (the fourth highest emitter of greenhouse gases)

Japan - 125,527,995  (the fifth highest emitter of greenhouse gases)

Australia is literally a drop in the ocean.

There is said to be 195 countries in the world.

10 countries emit 67% of the world's greenhouse gasses.

If the other 185 countries were able to reduce their (combined) greenhouse emissions by 50%, equal to a worldwide reduction of 16.5% (which is impractical, if not impossible), it still wouldn't be enough to limit global warming to 1.5 degrees Celsius (it is said that an overall reduction of 43% is required).

Factor in the REALITY that the likes of India, Indonesia, the Philippines, et al are constantly, repeatedly, INCREASING their annual greenhouse emissions and one can recognize that the SMARTEST of actions by the peoples of 180 odd countries will not and cannot make any difference.

"Interesting letter in today's newspaper . . . . "

The earth is estimated to be 4,500,000,000 years old. It may take the earth, say,  500 years to adjust and normalize but that represents only 1 / 9,000,000ths of the world's existence thus far - equal to about 5 seconds of an average human lifespan.

There is no doubt in my mind that the earth will survive global warming but humankind is in for 100 - 500 years of challenging existence.

A final observation - my car is equipped with a spare wheel & tyre 'just in case' I get a puncture (it may never happen). However, if there was definite information available that a road I planned to travel along would result in 4 or 5 tyres being shredded, then I would put all of my resources into acquiring and carrying 4 to 5 spare wheels fitted with the most robust tyres available, In my mind, anything other than such preparation would be both feeble and futile.

Cuppa wrote:

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We will continue to sh*t in our nest because we'll be dead before it becomes unliveable.
That'll be the kids problem, who cares, not our problem.
The kids of today don't give a toss, they deserve nothing, let them suffer.
Look at all those ridiculous young protesters - they know nothing, they should stop their agitation & be like us.

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Its not that I particularly think that they're wrong.  Its the impression I get that I'm being lectured to.

I don't like being lectured to. 

Santa wrote:

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Aristotle said this some time before 322 BC.

 "They - Young People have exalted notions, because they have not been humbled by life or learned its necessary limitations; moreover, their hopeful disposition makes them think themselves equal to great things - and that means having exalted notions. They would always rather do noble deeds than useful ones: Their lives are regulated more by moral feeling than by reasoning - all their mistakes are in the direction of doing things excessively and vehemently. They overdo everything - they love too much, hate too much, and the same with everything else."

Aristotle

 

Similar things have been said about every generation of young people since, nothing new here.

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Yesterday, I watched a show on Deutsche Welle in which it was reported that, in a recent worldwide survey, approximately 80% of respondents aged 13 to 30 believe that immediate, drastic action needs to be undertaken to reduce global greenhouse gas emissions.

It was further reported that these young people believe that older generations are to blame for the current levels of emissions.

The show went on to report that the production, use and disposal of consumer products such as footwear, clothing, make up, non essential personal care products, mobile phones and more, account for 50% of all greenhouse gas emissions.

It was also reported that consumers aged 13 to 30 purchase and use 60% of the said consumer products.

Therefore, it can be deduced that the age group of 13 to 30 is responsible for 30% of greenhouse gas emissions.

Apparently there is a total disconnect in the minds of the younger generation between their consumeristic lifestyles (e.g. throwing out clothes after being worn 2 - 3 times, annually upgrading their phones) and the production of greenhouse gases that are said to be a driver of climate change.

Mike Harding wrote:

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Apparently; almost everyone in the Western world is in favour of paying more taxes and product surcharges in order to mitigate climate change... it is only when pressed on exactly how much more they would be prepared to pay that the situation becomes "interesting".

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 Too much thinking involved here, Mike, for millions of the world's sheep. Cheers

Santa wrote:

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If you read it on social media it must be true.

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 Yeah, lots of silly baaastuds I'm afraid. More dipsticks than an engine building plant. Cheers

 

Ivan 01 wrote:

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It is increasingly amazing how coal and energy consumption in general is blamed by the gullible on climate change, global warming or global cooling.

Why dont those who are blaming this actually have a close look at the increasing global population and continuing increasing use of modern heating, cooling and transport energy swaying these figures.

This says it all.

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      As I have said many times Ivan, as with many things, there is waaay too much thinking involved here for the great unwashed. This garbage is being forced on our kids at school, and they accept it as gospel.

Similar thinking is apparent with the road toll being blamed on speed. Don't get me started!  Cheers

Sarco Harris wrote:

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To me it is relatively simple.

90% of the worlds population lives in the northern hemisphere of our planet. This is where lead action should/must be taken to reduce any human created climate issues if they exist.

Actually, we (humans as a species) have occupied this planet for perhaps (depending on your beliefs) up to 60,000 years.

In reality in terms of our planet's geology and climate, this is the equivalent of a drop of fresh water in the worlds oceans making it less saline.

However there is a massive amount of tax payer provided, government money, moving into private hands in the name of "action on climate change"

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 Well said Sarco! Now all we have to do is try to get millions of others to understand, but we know that that won't happen, don't we? Too much thinking involved. Cheers

Mike Harding wrote:

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Apparently; almost everyone in the Western world is in favour of paying more taxes and product surcharges in order to mitigate climate change... it is only when pressed on exactly how much more they would be prepared to pay that the situation becomes "interesting".

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if we pay more taxes and product surcharges would that mean that the problem then becomes someone else's and we no longer have to worry about our actions as individuals ,example we pay council for rubbish removal, what happens to the trash and were it goes is out of sight and out of mind till the tip is full ,then we pay more to send the rubbish farther away still out of sight out of mind someday the rubbish will be in some ones back yard

Bicyclecamper wrote:

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All I want is a clean environment, clean air, clean water, is that too much to ask for.

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how many kids do you have ?
how many kids do they have ?
how many houses does your lot require to live in ?
how many car do you and yours require ?
the list goes on and on

if the answer is more than one to any question then you are part of the problem just like the rest of us . all the things you require can be had for a fee we already pay for rubbish removal ,sewer treatment (environment), we pay for clean water (water rates )now we will have to pay for clean air( i thought it was a joke when i first seen bottled water will bottled air be next like SCUBA diving tanks ?)