Just as dangerous as when they are mounted on rear bumper - unfortunately there is no Legislation to prevent it. Note it is considered to be within the confines of the vehicle, which technically allows stupidity.
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Wawt,
Re the 4 Recovery Boards, Have you ever used them? I carry 2 on the roof of our Cruiser for years and have never used them..... Maybe next trip I'll need 4.
Not for their intended use, but we have used them. Only $99 a pair, if they break or sprout legs so be it. Also same situation with our tow rope & 20m extension (although have towed a truck).
BUT we wouldn't have driven to various places without "insurance". So far letting tyres down further has got us out of trouble.
Using 10L fuel containers & well designed holder we very regularly top up the tank. Wouldn't want to use 20L containers. I'd do my back in.
Not for their intended use, but we have used them. Only $99 a pair, if they break or sprout legs so be it. Also same situation with our tow rope & 20m extension (although have towed a truck).
BUT we wouldn't have driven to various places without "insurance". So far letting tyres down further has got us out of trouble.
Using 10L fuel containers & well designed holder we very regularly top up the tank. Wouldn't want to use 20L containers. I'd do my back in.
My sons are into club 4wding here in Tas,
Ford Ranger
100 Series LC
both with lifts, winches, big tyres and other recovery gear including the boards,
Two weeks ago they were a HUGE help in getting several bogged vehicles out of long sections of thick sticky mud,
Winch ropes broke,
Tow vehicles bogged as well.
Getting late in the day...things were starting to get a bit grim.
Put the boards in yet again and the vehicles started moving again,
Several times in each bog hole.
The boards weighed a ' ton ' at the end of the exercise though, thanks to the mud.
Going back to the first picture, could the container possibly be for water? I haven't seen a petrol container that shape before.
But the rest of the pictures do make me shudder, especially the one showing four jerry cans on the front. At 20-ltres each that equates to 80-kilograms, plus the metal in the frame, loading on the front wheels. (Should be enough to offset a heavy load on a tow ball! Of course, once they are empty it would throw the whole balance out of whack.)
But the rest of the pictures do make me shudder, especially the one showing four jerry cans on the front. At 20-ltres each that equates to 80-kilograms, plus the metal in the frame, loading on the front wheels. (Should be enough to offset a heavy load on a tow ball! Of course, once they are empty it would throw the whole balance out of whack.)
To get perfect balance put one jerry can on the car at each corner!
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50L custom fuel rack 6x20W 100/20mppt 4x26Ah gel 28L super insulated fridge TPMS 3 ARB compressors heatsink fan cooled 4L tank aftercooler Air/water OCD cleaning 4 stage car acoustic insulation.
Fuel containers cannot be carried anywhere thats prone to impact in case of a collision on the front of your vehicle, the rear of caravans, or on the drawbar of trailers. If theyre mounted on the rear of your car, you must be an approved, ADR compliant holder.
Carrying fuel on the roof requires secure roof baskets and fuel should be strapped. Generally, avoid carrying fuel on the roof because of the roofs weight limits. Remember, a 20L fuel container weighs about 23kg when full and large containers might affect your cars centre of gravity.
Specific gravity of petrol is far less than water. My 10L containers with 10L of petrol weigh 9kg.
I used anodised aluminium & a bit of 316 stainless steel in the cross bar to tap M6 bolts for my fuel holder. Per container it weighs half of the steel holders on the market.
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50L custom fuel rack 6x20W 100/20mppt 4x26Ah gel 28L super insulated fridge TPMS 3 ARB compressors heatsink fan cooled 4L tank aftercooler Air/water OCD cleaning 4 stage car acoustic insulation.
Fuel containers cannot be carried anywhere thats prone to impact in case of a collision on the front of your vehicle, the rear of caravans, or on the drawbar of trailers. If theyre mounted on the rear of your car, you must be an approved, ADR compliant holder.
Carrying fuel on the roof requires secure roof baskets and fuel should be strapped. Generally, avoid carrying fuel on the roof because of the roofs weight limits. Remember, a 20L fuel container weighs about 23kg when full and large containers might affect your cars centre of gravity.
Shall have to do some further checking
Cheers
As Mike suggests, there is indeed legislation regarding carrying fuel containers on vehicles.
The weight of petrol is 0.79kg/litre so 80 litres is 63kg, which may be more than many car roofs are capable of supporting for long periods on rough roads? Don't know, but I certainly wouldn't put that sort of weight up high. Cheers
P.S Diesel weight is 0.84kg/litre, so I'm not sure from where thay got a figure of 23kg for 20 litres? Who cares, in this situation an approximation is acceptable if it simply is a warning!
-- Edited by yobarr on Sunday 14th of May 2023 10:15:52 AM
If there is indeed legislation then post the relevant legislation and not some document that someone has written which for all intent and purposes may be incorrect.
I wonder how I can become an approved ADR compliantholder?
The only Legislation than I am aware of relating somewhat to the carrying of fuel is the Transportation of Dangerous Goods by Road/Rail
Each state and territory implements the updated Australian Dangerous Goods Code and associated updates to their dangerous goods transport regulations separately. Each state and territory's dangerous goods transport act and regulations are at the links below. Businesses must comply with their state / territory specific act and regulations and the ADG Code.
State / Territory Act Regulation
Australian Commonwealth Territory Dangerous Goods (Road Transport) Act 2009 Dangerous Goods (Road Transport) Regulations 2010
New South Wales Dangerous Goods (Road and Rail Transport) Act 2008 Dangerous Goods (Road and Rail Transport) Regulation 2014
Northern Territory Transport of Dangerous Goods By Road and Rail (National Uniform Legislation) Act Transport of Dangerous Goods By Road and Rail (National Uniform Legislation) Regulations
Queensland (road) Transport Operations (Road Use Management) Act 1995 Transport Operations (Road Use Management-Dangerous Goods) Regulation 2018
Queensland (rail) Transport Infrastructure Act 1994 Transport Infrastructure (Dangerous Goods by Rail) Regulation 2018
South Australia Dangerous Substances Act 1979 Dangerous Substances (Dangerous Goods Transport) Regulations 2008
Tasmania Dangerous Goods (Road and Rail Transport) Act 2010 Dangerous Goods (Road and Rail Transport) Regulations 2010
Victoria Dangerous Goods Act 1985 PDF: 733 KB Dangerous Goods (Transport by Road or Rail) Regulations 2018 PDF: 668 KB
Western Australia Dangerous Goods Safety Act 2004 Dangerous Goods Safety Regulations
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I mentioned the weight of 20-litres as being 20-kilograms from when the metric system was being introduced, being a 100x100x100mm cube when filled with (fresh) water holds one litre and weighs one kilogram. The other 3kgs tacked on was obviously the weight of the container.
I was unaware that the specific gravity of petrol and diesel was lower than water. So, if ever I have to do a similar exercise again I will make sure I have identified the correct fluids.
-- Edited by yobarr on Sunday 14th of May 2023 10:15:52 AM
Re the highlighted section above ..
I suppose that I may be almost compliant WRT where I carry my emergency 20L when in semi remote areas.
The front boot of the Jayco carries quite neatly, a 20L plastic fuel container wrapped in sealed heavy duty plastic bag with an old corn sack as the outside cover.
I fit a soft cushion of foam underneath the jerry can and a piece of 5ply between it and the boot front.
The whole arrangement is positioned in the center of the boot (which contains no batteries or gas).
It is possible to fit another jerry can on either side but I have not resorted to that being conscious of the extra ball weight & the thought of having a bloody great bomb in the front of the van.
-- Edited by Cupie on Monday 15th of May 2023 03:11:16 PM
The excerpt that Yobarr has provided is a guide put out by ALKO, it has no reference to any Australian Legislation - Whilst those who put out such "Guides" may be well intentioned they can create legal nightmare if something stated in the guide causes accident/incident.
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The excerpt that Yobarr has provided is a guide put out by ALKO, it has no reference to any Australian Legislation - Whilst those who put out such "Guides" may be well intentioned they can create legal nightmare if something stated in the guide causes accident/incident.
Yep. I accept that.
I rarely carry extra fuel in a container. When in semi remote areas I carry the empty can and related stuff.
I carefully monitor my consumption and the availability of fuel on my daily drive, always filling up at every opportunity. I rarely go below the 1/4 mark.
Of course a strong head wind, a mountain range or severely bumpy road can easily stuff up the calculations.
If in doubt I reluctantly fill the reserve jerry can and use it as soon as possible into the trip.
I'm always nervous about carrying full jerry cans.
ps. The patrol is thirsty & has only a miserable 90L tank! I have long given up carrying extra fuel for cost reasons.
The excerpt that Yobarr has provided is a guide put out by ALKO, it has no reference to any Australian Legislation - Whilst those who put out such "Guides" may be well intentioned they can create legal nightmare if something stated in the guide causes accident/incident.
Well said Possum but the problem with these guides is the misinformation that I did sarcastically question.
I wonder how I can become an approved ADR compliantholder?
The article states, If mounted on the rear of your car, you must be an approved ADR compliant holder. I found this statement on another link of theirs as well.
Sometimes well intentioned people provide misinformation. Even me
-- Edited by TimTim on Tuesday 16th of May 2023 10:04:44 AM
