David Grusch - UFO Whistleblower

DMaxer · Guru

David Grusch - UFO Whistleblower

Collo · Senior Member

Had a listen to the interview, I have a few reservations,

Assuming these UFO have landed or crashed, wouldn't the public be first on the scene taking photos and first hand accounts?

The universe is about 13 billion years old... the human race is about 200 000 years old. The chance of two species evolving at the same or similar time is remote. ie we will have become extinct before another species discovers Earth.

Why are these UFOs only crashing or landing in America?

Why is it necessary to keep it such a big secret?

I have my doubts until I see definite proof.

Collo.

Gundog · Guru

So UFO's have crashed into the USA, why is there no evidence of ET or his mates crashing into Australia or other countries.

You can photoshop any picture to support whatever wheel barrow your pushing.

Military Intelligence now that's an oxymoron.

Are We Lost · Guru

If aliens had the technology to come from a different solar system, surely they would have the technology to avoid crashing into a hillside or something.

Collo asked why only in America. A pretty valid question although we do hear the occasional report from another country. So, with supposedly numerous reports, why are there no bystander photos of something definable. There are plenty of photos purporting to be UFOs (now called APOs ... Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon) but they are always in the distance, even those that are over populated areas. And if they wanted to remain hidden, why do we see so many with lights on the outside of many? That makes no sense.

I recall reading an article 2-3 years ago that the government would be increasingly leaking such stories. The purpose was to seed the idea with the public, so that when needed, they could announce that there was a threat from aliens. This would then unite the population in a common cause of us against the aliens. Apart from my skepticism on the likelihood of alien arrivals here, I am pretty skeptical on the validity of that theory as well. However, the first part about more and more references to aliens HAS been happening.

If the whistleblower's story is true, how come he has not been silenced?

DMaxer · Guru

Au contraire! Have a read about what happened at Rendlesham Forest in the UK in the early 1980s. Better still, have a little read about Westall High School in Melbourne where teachers and students witnessed the landing of an UFO closely followed by police and military. According to reports they have retrieved downed craft and occupants. The US military have already admitted they dont know what these UAP are. Do a little research online.

DMaxer · Guru

As an afterthought, have a look at the ufo crash in Italy in the 1930s seized by Mussolini. The Vatican via the Pope brought it to the USA attention. Have a read of the latest NASA report. Its very interesting.

dorian · Guru

Nowadays, just about everyone carries a camera in their pocket. So where are all the UFO snapshots? What about dash-cams and surveillance videos? Where are they?

Aussie1 · Guru

dorian wrote:
Nowadays, just about everyone carries a camera in their pocket. So where are all the UFO snapshots? What about dash-cams and surveillance videos? Where are they?

Same here, I don't even believe in that "invisible guy" in the sky biggrin

DMaxer · Guru

All good points that are raised to debunk and trivialise any sighting that has been made in the last eighty years since Roswell I suppose.

What is important in this case is totally different. About four years ago it was reported that UFOs were sighted by a naval contingent comprising of the USS Ronald Reagan and its support vessels and planes. These sighted craft defied the laws of physics and were clocked at speeds approaching 40,000 mph and then stopping, moving sideways at estimated G Forces of about 30. these were not only visibly apparent to the crew but also picked up on the ship's radar and tracking systems. Planes were launched to intercept these craft and were just "played with" by the craft. They either stopped or accelerated away with these manoeuvres being recorded on the on plane camera system. These events were not reported by some tin foil hat wearing fanatic but by the top navy brass including not only the radar and tracking engineers, but the admiral in charge of the exercise. A similar occurrence occurred with the USS Theodore Roosevelt in the waters off Florida with the officer in charge of that fleet reporting similar occurrences and film. Part of this film was deemed unclassified and released to the public a couple of years ago. The military released the statement that there was no explanation as to what the UAP were. They could not explain any phenomena or craft capable of this occurrence

What followed from that was that various members of Congress from both sides of the House introduced legislation in the omnibus acts that passed both houses and was signed off by the president, This legislation appropriated 2.3 trillion dollars, part of which set up a Congressional Group whereby the military and Pentagon were to report every six months and detail every sighting and investigation dating back to 2012 currently in their possession or knowledge. This has been occurring in some public but mainly private hearings since.

Enter David Grusch. He is a former intelligence officer that among his many duties reported directly to the White House. He left the military after a distinguished career and under the Whistleblower legislation introduced reported to the Intelligence Director that a number of senior military figures had approached him and advised him of a failure by certain Pentagon and military officials to disclose various clandestine programmes of "re engineering" crashed space craft. He states that he has seen the documentation and other evidentiary articles that disclose not only the Pentagon and military but various defence contractors, withholding information about what they have in their possession. He states that this goes back before Roswell into the 1930s.

He has been checked out by the Intelligence Director and his sources have been named and the Intelligence Director is allowing his claim to proceed. His sources include former high profile naval and air force officers as well as fellow intelligence officers that were part of past and on going programmes re engineering craft. Mr Grusch holds qualifications in physics and states that the atomic configuration of the craft is not anything possible of being manufactured or controlled by human forces.

Without sending you all to sleep, the final telling aspect is that the Department of Defence has approved the waiver of certain Non Disclosure provisions apportioned to former intelligence officers so that he may comply with the Intelligence Director's investigation.

We have moved on from people being debunked and ridiculed about sightings and events. The US military has confirmed they do not know what the origin of these UAP are, only that they are not man made and not any natural phenomena. They are spending billions to investigate these sightings. They are taking it extremely seriously as if they don't know what they are, how do they defend against them. Similar events are also known to exist in Russia and China. Their intelligence has reported the same.

Have a watch and form your own opinion.

-- Edited by DMaxer on Friday 16th of June 2023 11:56:39 AM

Gundog · Guru

So pardon the sceptic in me, where the evidence ?

Sounds like a movie script ah yeah thats right Men in Black or Battleship, Area 51 Roswell New Mexico.

you can pile fresh BS high but later it become dried BS.

peter67 · Guru

Alas DMaxer I fear you have raised the IQ bar too far here. Now, if you had provided pictures of some alien bikini wearing babe you would have gotten more people across the line :)

DMaxer · Guru

Whilst I understand the cerebral challenges faced by some on this forum Peter, what I don't understand are these so called former military people disputing what other military people are alleging. They don't seem to have the wherewithal to understand that this issue has been brought about by high ranking military personnel claiming there has been a coverup, not some tin foil hat wearing conspiracy nut.

As to "where is the evidence", Grusch has stated he has seen the evidence and the people who reported this to him have the evidence. It is classified and that is why he wants the investigation to happen.

I wonder if Gundog realises what happens if you release classified information. Assange and Snowden can give him that information if he cares to research.

-- Edited by DMaxer on Friday 16th of June 2023 02:16:16 PM

-- Edited by DMaxer on Friday 16th of June 2023 02:19:09 PM

dorian · Guru

If a UFO crashes today, we'll all see it on Twitter within 5 minutes. Then again, technology advances quickly, so crashes would be less frequent these days.

Gundog · Guru

DMaxer wrote:

I wonder if Gundog realises what happens if you release classified information. Assange and Snowden can give him that information if he cares to research.

As an exserviceman I am fully aware of classified information disclosure ramifications.

DMaxer · Guru

There are many photos on the internet Dorian and they all immediately get debunked or ridiculed by the powers that be.

Have a read of the Westall School sighting in Australia and read what the teacher says he was told would happen to him if he discussed it further. He still maintains his position today. It's a good read.

Is he just another fruit loop?

another good read is what the astronauts Michael Collins and Buzz Aldrin have to say about their sights on Apollo 11. Perhaps the best account is by Alan Shepherd another astronaut when asked about UAPs. Quite telling.

But then, what would those blokes know. Everyone knows the real truth lies in the opinions of unqualified people on a caravan forum.

-- Edited by DMaxer on Saturday 17th of June 2023 02:56:50 PM

Are We Lost · Guru

DMaxer wrote:
There are many photos on the internet Dorian and they all immediately get debunked or ridiculed by the powers that be.
Have a read of the Westall School sighting in Australia and read what the teacher says he was told would happen to him if he discussed it further. He still maintains his position today. It's a good read.
Is he just another fruit loop?
another good read is what the astronauts Michael Collins and Buzz Aldrin have to say about their sights on Apollo 11. Perhaps the best account is by Alan Shepherd another astronaut when asked about UAPs. Quite telling.
But then, what would those blokes know. Everyone knows the real truth lies in the opinions of unqualified people on a caravan forum.

-- Edited by DMaxer on Saturday 17th of June 2023 02:56:50 PM

There are many fruit loops around. You only need to look at some of the material that these fruit loops spend many hours creating, in the guise of being fact. Maybe they just want 5 minutes of attention. Maybe they intend to profit from it.

On the other hand, first hand reports from those you mention would be of interest to read. Do you have links that are reputable?

-- Edited by Are We Lost on Saturday 17th of June 2023 03:07:01 PM

dorian · Guru

When I was an impressionable youngster, a schoolteacher took a few of us students to Picton to watch for UFOs at night with other enthusiasts. We all saw several objects high in the sky moving quite fast and changing direction abruptly. At that time I remember being amazed, but today I wonder what it was that we really saw.

I read Wikipedia's article on Westall, and one explanation is that the UFO was a balloon that was used to observe atomic test sites. That would also explain why "men in suits" arrived on the scene.

Isn't it curious that the Roswell "aliens" had humanoid features? If it wasn't for a cataclysmic event millions of years ago, dinosaurs would today be the Earth's dominant life form. Can we expect to see reptilian life forms in future encounters?

Gundog · Guru

Are We Lost wrote:
DMaxer wrote:
There are many photos on the internet Dorian and they all immediately get debunked or ridiculed by the powers that be.
Have a read of the Westall School sighting in Australia and read what the teacher says he was told would happen to him if he discussed it further. He still maintains his position today. It's a good read.
Is he just another fruit loop?
another good read is what the astronauts Michael Collins and Buzz Aldrin have to say about their sights on Apollo 11. Perhaps the best account is by Alan Shepherd another astronaut when asked about UAPs. Quite telling.
But then, what would those blokes know. Everyone knows the real truth lies in the opinions of unqualified people on a caravan forum.

-- Edited by DMaxer on Saturday 17th of June 2023 02:56:50 PM

There are many fruit loops around. You only need to look at some of the material that these fruit loops spend many hours creating, in the guise of being fact. Maybe they just want 5 minutes of attention. Maybe they intend to profit from it.
On the other hand, first hand reports from those you mention would be of interest to read. Do you have links that are reputable?

-- Edited by Are We Lost on Saturday 17th of June 2023 03:07:01 PM

Crop Circles come to mind

dogbox · Guru

has any one on this forum have had first hand visons of UFO's

Cassie63 · Senior Member

Before or after a few tonics. Lol

Are We Lost · Guru

dogbox wrote:
has any one on this forum have had first hand visons of UFO's

Absolutely. Even met one in NT.

DMaxer · Guru

I have read a few different accounts of Westall Dorian but the most intriguing ones have been the recent interviews with not only the students that witnessed it but the science teacher who went on record. In his recent interview, (which is available on You tube, just Google) he maintains that he was visited by a military and a civilian and told to desist with his accounts of the sightings or he "would never teach again". Hardly the type of visit if it was only a weather balloon.

An old friend of mine from the UK has a brother who is retired RAF pilot. He flew Phantoms and Harriers and was a test pilot until he retired and spent his final working years as a commercial pilot. He was based at Rendlesham in the UK when that incident occurred. It should be remembered that the person who made the report about witnessing the landing and the encounter was not some dope digging a latrine, it was the base commander. Anyway, I asked him about this in later years and asked if he had ever seen anything. He informed me that if anyone ever was silly enough to make an official report about the things they witnessed in the skies they would spend the rest of what was left of their careers flying a desk. I asked him if he thought these phenomena were alien he gave the same reply as Macron did to the journalist who asked about whether he thought he had been lied to.

I have always been intrigued by these things. Given that people are ridiculed if they mention anything about an UAP, why would former presidents, admirals, high ranking military officials, police and NASA officials, not to forget the head of the Israeli Defence forces makes these claims. Do you think they all want five minutes attention or a paid television interview.

I guess I have done this to death, but just imagine if a world government came out and said that there was contact with craft and or beings, not from this world. We don't know who or what they are and we have no means of stopping them should they turn hostile. Just imagine the public panic and effect on economies, defence spending would be futile and we would all be totally paranoid. Far, far easier just to debunk and ridicule and keep the masses uninformed.

I would really be interested in Possum's view, especially given his background. I would love to hear his take as to whether high ranking military officials would come out with outlandish claims just for five minutes attention or monetary gain.

Aussie1 · Guru

Are We Lost wrote:
dogbox wrote:
has any one on this forum have had first hand visons of UFO's
Absolutely. Even met one in NT.

OK, that's good enough for me, I am now a believer biggrin

BasilB · Veteran Member

fairy tales are a rather large industry.

dogbox · Guru

Are We Lost wrote:

dogbox wrote:
has any one on this forum have had first hand visons of UFO's
Absolutely. Even met one in NT.

is that the same one i seen at wycliffe wells

Are We Lost · Guru

As a matter of fact yes. The same place.

He was very slow moving so maybe he is always there. And although I tried to engage him in conversation he did not want to respond. I say "he" but as you can see it was a little hard to be sure. I also wondered if he ever ate or drank anything.

Plain Truth · Guru

Look's like it?, drinks lots of lime cordial.

dorian · Guru

@DMaxer, I understand your position. It's hard to dismiss the accounts of people who are credible witnesses. They have all seen something, but what? Is there some rational explanation for what they saw? Hundreds, if not thousands, of people witnessed something at Fatima and Medjugorje, yet we still look for some rational explanation that doesn't invoke religion or the supernatural.

Are We Lost · Guru

DMaxer, apologies if my post genenerated too much frivolity into a subject you consider important.

Earlier you mentioned well respected astronauts with stories to tell. Again, do you have links to credible sites to read what they say?

Aussie1 · Guru

Here is something to consider. Imagine if someone comes up with proof that these little buggers arrived in Oz before the "firsties" did. Now, that would put a cat among the pigeons eh :)